is it escapism? - Page 6

Originally posted by: mishtidoi

Very perceptive post Mandy👏

This Khyber issue...added to the long chain of events in Jalal's recent lifetime, in which he must have felt inept...Ruq's FP also must have ashamed his self for having made a fool of him, TM issue, Mirchi war, then again Khyber's kidnap of Jodha, and now this full public view of his battering of a man, an Emperor...things reached its threshold level.

As for Jodha...what can I say?? Its not the first time, but its only wrt Jalal, she becomes somewhere I don't know what to say, insensitive or just takes him for granted...not once do I remember, not once did she ever tried look into his POV, what he's going through, what are his reasons, why are his reasons, what is he thinking, how is he perceiving the situation, and what is his perception of the given thing...NOT ONCE.

Whereas Jalal, so many times had placed himself in her situation and looked into her POV, etc.

Being selfless, being in love, giving love does not only hold together a relationship, there are many other micro nutrients, which should be fed to keep the relation healthy, nurture and grow...Love only is not enough, it alone is never going to be enough.

Also, if between friend, one of our friend now and then disregards for someone third, and prioritize that third person before us...we'll feel hurt and also somewhere have inferiority complex...and here we're talking about a husband-wife.

Even if I go by face value of this Atifa track, may be Jalal is finding her as someone, who'll understand how it feels to be dissatisfied by your better half, who will understand, how it feels if your partner thinks of you as an inept, and thus, he feels, she'll connect to him better in the phase he's going through

Here, I just can't forget Aunty's analogy of Jodha as a teacher and Jalal the student...and the teacher cares two hoots about student's ego to make him correct...just that now teacher has realized that her student is growing up, becoming a big boy, she needs to cajole him.

mishti, i completely agree, jalal is definitely finding peace in atifa's company and not in jodha's..his love for jodha is sitting on the back burner but it has not gone anywhere..its just that he does not want to deal with her..he wants his space and i feel jodha should give him some time to come out of the anger and hurt..the more a sand is held in hands the more it slips..and he does not want a teacher at the moment he wants a mehbooba which he is finding in atifa!

Originally posted by: mnr123

Agree wid ur post dear ... Both r right n wrong in their own ways 😳 But having said that I think jallal is purposefully doing all this atifa Natak or if not then cvs r taking us for a ride 😆 For Jodha I think she has to understand that her husband is not just her husband but a king too n certain decisions have to b taken by king .. Ya khyber saved her but what if he doesn't do d same wid other ppl ?

Having said dat jallu shud not forget all that Jodha has done for him too like taking poison N all n when she was not in love wid him too ... So gng to atifa for timepass doesn't make sense to me 👎🏼

he can never hate jodha because jodha is an important part of his life its just that he is finding the peace and comfort that he once found in jodha in atifa now..and that too will vanish once he gets sick of her..whatever ruk said was bang on..that is how kings were in those days..i do not know about the real akbar but the kings were not only ruthless but were also womanizers..!

Originally posted by: ---Khushi---

"he is infatuated..he is confused about his feelings,,all he knows is that he feels good with her."

Mandy...this bit ^^^^^^...I simply cannot agree with this...I think Jalal despises Atifa...how can one enjoy the company of an assassin, however beautiful she might be?..of course, that is if he knows already that she is a assassin...

arey khushuji i am just analyzing this one episode and i did find it amusing..and close to the reality! i do not know what cvz have in their mind, i am just taking one episode at a time!

Originally posted by: lashy

But that's because Mandy is going by the theory that this is just Benazir part 2 😆

😆..lashy, this actually happened with someone i know and that is why i can relate to it!

Originally posted by: ---Khushi---

Okk...then I'll simply have to agree to disagree with your post, Mandy...

Waise, whose side r u on?...😉

Team Adi/Khushi

or

Team Ela/Sandhya/Lashy/Sunny/etc etc etc etc ???😆

😆..too busy these days yaar, hardly get any time to think of theories..just going by what is being shown!

Originally posted by: lashy

This has got NOTHING to do with Atifa track or of Epic romance... This has got nothing to do with Jodha and Jalal or about polygamy

Just about why men in general stray more than women do... from a biology student's perspective!

Why do women cry more than men do?

Why do women get more emotional over sad/disturbing scenes than men do?

Why are women more in need of romance/social/emotional security than men do?

The only answer is hormones ^^^

Similarly, why is physical attraction more prevalent in men than in women?

The only answer in hormones ^^^

I'm strictly against both, MCPs and extreme feminists.. I believe in an equal society.. BUT and a big BUT... nature/biology has not made man and woman the same.

Sorry for a crash course on biology... but, men have about 10 times the amount of testosterone in them as women and this is a hormone that links physical needs of a man to his emotions. If women had that much testosterone in their bodies what's to say they'd also not start behaving this way... when women are given testosterone injections, many complain of feeling the same symptoms too 😆 if you know what I mean!

We as women try and equate 'When we can be so loyal/faithful in mind/body to men why can't they?'

True, as women we are able to cos our bodies/minds are more suited to be formulated that way...men CAN BE just as loyal/faithful too and thankfully most of the decent educated men in India are today!

However, it takes THAT MUCH more of commitment from a man to be faithful towards a woman - especially towards those who disregard his physical needs as a 'brief phase' rather than as a 'need'

We are happy to say a woman needs to be shown love in the form of hugs and cards and lovey dovey texts, but we don't realize that a man has his own form of expectations too.

Simply put, if you ask a man he'd say he derives his emotional security from a woman through her touch and woman would say she derives her emotional security from a man through his words/gestures! (Yes she needs touch too and he needs gestures too - but the balance pretty much tilts in this favour)

^^^ This is not something I'm making up... you can google it all up... 😊

So, while I have no sympathy for straying men - I have far far more respect for a man who stays loyal to his wife - and all the more when the woman dismisses his needs as something trivial. (I say this because I have seen women discuss it this way)

That's why I think over the years it's less shocking to see a straying man than to see a straying woman. Similarly, society is just as cruel to emotional/weepy men - most who see a woman cry would go 'awww' but if they saw a man cry one too many times, most would go 'Shut up and man up!'

Again, this is not something to do with Jalal and Jodha at all. This is my views on the general expectations across the forum and skewed views of men vs women without understanding that there is more than just black and white areas in all this.. 😊

i think lashy a man is a man and a woman is a woman and both are made to think differently...i agree that a man who is loyal is worthy of respect and there are no arguments on that, my point here is that a woman is a home maker, and if she breaks the rules its her own children that suffer the most..a man does not go through the pain of bearing children its mother that has gone through it..therefore a woman always has to compromise and sacrifice more than a man..i am not saying that a woman should tolerate everything and get herself treated like a doormat but she is the only one that can make a house and that is how god has made us!

Originally posted by: PadBear

@lashy, from a purely biological pov, I agree. From the pov of an impractical love story in 16th century Agra...I don't know where to position my radar 😆

but if anyone has seen The White Queen or the milder Reign , medieval European royals 100 years before Akbar and also right at the same time were busy letting all hormones rage as well as murder every brother who stood between them and the throne. So JA is very very sanitized and mild. MC and the Kabul contingent are pussycats, for Agra fort residents Tansen's concerts and jashns is as dangerous as it gets.

😆..so true! i think what ekta is showing is only 10% of what it could have been in those days!

Originally posted by: NATURESHIVANI

. And sometime dear (sorry if getting so much philospher) that sometime u have to ignore ur close ones n if u have to stop them doing the mistake u have to be wise enough n. Should check for the right time

i agree dear!

Originally posted by: ngayou

Mandy, can agree with ur post & the points stated basing it on the premise that Jalal is 'not acting' with papitaji & he s really on the rebound bcos of Jo s recent behaviour with him regarding Khybu. But here Jallu was shown already taken up with papita s errr beauty 😲 😲 before that Khybu thing happened , so I d prefer not to believe on the rebound theory for Jallu right now. Kya yaar, kal hi I decided to become proJallu for the return of TE in this track & u seem to have written for a Jatifa lubb ishtoryy 😉 .

But if it s shown that Jo realises that she is going wrong in taking Jalal for granted mostly that ll be more than enough for all of us, but I doubt this bcos of Ek s extreme feministic stand 😛 . Just hoping we dont get a crawling repentant Jallu again at the end of this track 😕 .

i am taking only one episode at a time, it might change later because i do not trust cvz therefore cannot speculate any theories..what i saw in the episode can very well happen in real life as well..yes, the attraction happened in hamaam but then things started to culminate..if jodha had paid less attention to khybu then maybe jalal would not have distanced himself that much..first he had guilt and that guilt would have chewed him up only of jodha would not have sided with khybu and now its like an open war for him because jalal will never forget his insult!

Originally posted by: aashyagh

Mandy very well written, as usual I did not watch the entire episiode, watched in pieces, but loved what Moti said to Jodha, if she concentrates on her life and her husband more it will be good for her and she will know what is happening in her life, she should stop taking things for granted. Relationship is not easy to handle, there are lot of ups and downs. If I love someone doesn't mean that, I cannot get distracted, and there can be lot of reasons for it, and specially a spouse will be a reason for it. If Jalal is not faking it (I know he is doing wrong) but men are emotionally weak. And Jodha always expects from him (I know I will get lot of belans for this). But it is the fact, risking your life is not everything. You care for his family, no doubt, but give time for him and him only. At times pls do accept his decisions to keep him happy even if it is not right for you, it can be right for him. Both need to go lot further in their relationship. Jalal is impulsive, and getting out of old habits is difficult, so he may take time.

Still... I feel that Jalal is faking it because, I would hav accepted if he said, he is just attracted to her and he wants her, but he saying he loves Atifa and doesn't love Jodha is making me hard to believe, specially when she is carrying your child which you have yearned for so long.

very well written points ash! i do not think he loves atifa he is just blabbering whatever..atifa is like a rooh afza in hot weather and jodha is an old wine which will get better with age!..atifa is a temporary replacement that will ease his pain and nothing else!