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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: mishtidoi

Very perceptive post Mandy👏

This Khyber issue...added to the long chain of events in Jalal's recent lifetime, in which he must have felt inept...Ruq's FP also must have ashamed his self for having made a fool of him, TM issue, Mirchi war, then again Khyber's kidnap of Jodha, and now this full public view of his battering of a man, an Emperor...things reached its threshold level.
As for Jodha...what can I say?? Its not the first time, but its only wrt Jalal, she becomes somewhere I don't know what to say, insensitive or just takes him for granted...not once do I remember, not once did she ever tried look into his POV, what he's going through, what are his reasons, why are his reasons, what is he thinking, how is he perceiving the situation, and what is his perception of the given thing...NOT ONCE.
Whereas Jalal, so many times had placed himself in her situation and looked into her POV, etc.
Being selfless, being in love, giving love does not only hold together a relationship, there are many other micro nutrients, which should be fed to keep the relation healthy, nurture and grow...Love only is not enough, it alone is never going to be enough.

Also, if between friend, one of our friend now and then disregards for someone third, and prioritize that third person before us...we'll feel hurt and also somewhere have inferiority complex...and here we're talking about a husband-wife.

Even if I go by face value of this Atifa track, may be Jalal is finding her as someone, who'll understand how it feels to be dissatisfied by your better half, who will understand, how it feels if your partner thinks of you as an inept, and thus, he feels, she'll connect to him better in the phase he's going through

Here, I just can't forget Aunty's analogy of Jodha as a teacher and Jalal the student...and the teacher cares two hoots about student's ego to make him correct...just that now teacher has realized that her student is growing up, becoming a big boy, she needs to cajole him.


Bang on... I was pretty sure that Jalal was really into Atifa(till posts of Jalal aficionados like khushi, Adia forced me to consider otherwise)

if Jalal is not faking his affections, then this started even before the khyber tiff with Jo surfaced. And perhaps the reason for this is Jalal's need to feel like a "man" in his equation with Jo. Men have egos but big men have bigger egos, and nothing could be more satisfying to male ego than rescuing a damsel in distress, that is the most absolute reaffirmation of his masculinity. With Jo always being the protector, being his equal and being independent - Jalal the husband is feeling insecure. He even said this to Jo,that I am sorry I could not protect you or my kids. For an emperor, that's an inherent insult right there. In Atifa he sees someone, who needs his protection,who needs his care versus jodha who loves him dearly but is apparently pretty self sufficient.

Jalal has always felt the need for jodha, but Atifa appeals to his need of being needed.

Mandy - fantastic post, and yes he seeks out Atifa as an escape from pressures of being with jodha. And yes, Jo's timing, if not her intent in revoking khyber's death sentence. She was wrong both as a queen and as a wife - as a queen once king had given his verdict, she should not have asked him to take it back, as a wife - your difference of opinion with your husband should not be apparent to a third person, let alone his awaam.

But having said that, escapism is an immature way to handle stress, this way you just end up exchanging one set of problems with another set of issues.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Mandy well written post and observe all jalal's dialogues towards jodha from jail to hojra and his self talk and he spoke the dialogue about the respect given by other men to their wife blah blah only after witnessing atifa's hus behaviour towards her.It influenced somewhere to him mandy.Adding to that jo's behaviour also irks him mandy.We get some picture na😉
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Bang on chitteratti and mishtidoi
Excellent post mandy
Actually we should see where jalal is coming from
His authority as a king has been challenged..he was captured because he thought by the heart to think for his sister.
He fell down as an emperoro and his women won him the battle.
So he has started to assert himself he cant alwayas sugarcoat and pardon prisoners.
This step of jodha is as silly as the party for a khwaja sera.
Btw jalal never said to her that I will be a one woman man now.But I think after the track he will realise what jodha means to him.
She cant be substitued by any woman who has the looks and who can sing good.
Jodha might be silly at times, might be irritatinglu mahaan at times but he will realise she rules his heart.
Reality check will also come for jodha
She as you said was taking all for granted
Now she will learn that she has a big man as husband and she has to be alert.
She needed the much needed check that every woman is behind her husband and the jealous and possessive streak comes back in her.
Last time we saw him lecturing meena bazar should be for all your begums
And she also willingly shared rukku beside jalal
So jalal got the impression jodha is satisfied with power of MUZ and has no room left to respect him.
Hameeda also got the same inkling though its wrong
Jodha only desires love she is not after any post or status.
So in pregnancy women behave ina weird way likewise jalal also is acting as a man with a bruised ego...and .this is not escapism mandy
A temporary retreat by both the lovers
One is in adrenaline rush and other is under pregnancy sway.
Jodha feels insecure as she is pregnant and jalal is now away from her and he has many other begums
Jalal on the other hand is insecure as his woman is taking his rulings for granted
So both became meherbaan on garbage..
Khyber though deserves mercy not unwanted attention likewise atifa also deserves mercy not unwanted attention.
This mutual insecurity has led them to the tiff
My only grumble is jodha being unattended in pregnancy..
Not only by jalal but by all.
I would have loved teda jalal pampering her I indirectly saying in doing this for my kids.but no cvs got the cliched route
Lets see na jaane ja ke pahuchega kahan par karwan apna.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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mandy the only glitch if papita is negative..then he would come out looking even a bigger fool 😔


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: sun29



mandy the only glitch if papita is negative..then he would come out looking even a bigger fool 😔




the only way he can come out of it is if he finds out the truth and then deals the situation on his own rather than jodha helping him!

getting ready for work will catch later for the rest!
Edited by mandyg - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#46
mandy u r wrong again
jalal is always wrong
so he has to learn lessons
jodha i always right
she can never make any wring decisions
be it in todermal case or in shenaaz case
she was is and always will be right
so she does not need to apologise at all
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: rima4ever

mandy u r wrong again

jalal is always wrong
so he has to learn lessons
jodha i always right
she can never make any wring decisions
be it in todermal case or in shenaaz case
she was is and always will be right
so she does not need to apologise at all


So true rima:(
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I loved rajat's acting and the episode was interesting will elaborate later!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Mandy , I couldn't resist myself from penning down this useless remark but I had to 😆 In few days , all Jalal-Atifa scenes that we got , weren't they far way more enticizing and passionate then Akdha's numerous repetitive ones ? There are some sort of provocation for desire , difficulty in resisting but can't extinguished that attraction and desire that are bringing them close to each other so much to get the gut to break all limits, prejudices and rules they have between , and that's the provocation and resisting to the strong desire that making their scenes really worth watching and interesting ! You were complaining that Atifa's puffed cheeks but don't you find her glowing and gorgeous today during the sweat weeping scene without any imperfections to notice in her and her make-up did it perfectly , this particular scene was a very passionate one with Rajat's sensual faces not to mention , I rewatch this scene again and again and both Rajat and actress playing Atifa were PERFECT ! I loved also when Atifa while weeping his sweats on face was timidly shying and looking at his handsome face ☺️ They were so close , face to face and Jalal's corner smiles and faces were to die for ☺️
Edited by sweetystubborn - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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