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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: aashyagh

Shyamala, he got to know the news after he met the Hakima, after getting the news from Hakima, he did not go back to Jashn and when Atgah called him, he didn't know that he was being called for good news, he only knew that Hakima wants to meet him about Ruq. So before leaving Jashn to meet Hakima, he nods at Jodha and that's what Lashy meant.
As far as ranting about his lust or no love to Jodha, like you said, when mindset is already made, no point explaining, we should go by our belief and opinion. I don't see any wrong in Jalal going in between Jashn nor see any harm or less of love, if he consummates his marriage with Jodha now. I want to ask infact, which is the right time to consummate your marriage? Specially in an arranged marriage?😆


i think the biggest complaint is he went to Ruqs without telling Jodha ... But I am guessing he wanted to confirm the news with Ruqs first before announcing it ... And hope he says the same tomorrow

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: aashyagh

My dear,I also meant for your real life expectations only, keep it low😉😆



That must be my issue 😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
Hi,
Loved your post, you should add Jalal's super hot killer looks to that list of good husband ( that one makes it to my top 5 list of qualities 😉 )
Even i don't understand the big deal about Jalal's exit from Jashn. It was way more graceful and respectful than JO's shirking his hand in Amer during Gangaur festivities.

Having said that, for me the distress is not about why and how he went to Ruk, its about the fact that he believed that baby was his. This implies he was physically intimate with Ruk / other begums even while claiming to love Jo sooo deeply. My monogamous mindset simply cannot accept that he would be intimate with anybody other than his beloved Jo.

And miscalculation ka funda doesn't fit at all - he was just as much in love with Jo after the Ben track. which would have been atleast 4-5 months back... CVs itni stupidity kaise dikha sakte hain... its like believing you were in a car accident while watching TV in your living room 😲. Jalal ne believe kiya toh usne kuch toh kiya hoga na Ruk ke saath ... the thought gives me creeps!!!
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Posted: 11 years ago
Hi,
Loved your post, you should add Jalal's super hot killer looks to that list of good husband ( that one makes it to my top 5 list of qualities 😉 )
Even i don't understand the big deal about Jalal's exit from Jashn. It was way more graceful and respectful than JO's shirking his hand in Amer during Gangaur festivities.

Having said that, for me the distress is not about why and how he went to Ruk, its about the fact that he believed that baby was his. This implies he was physically intimate with Ruk / other begums even while claiming to love Jo sooo deeply. My monogamous mindset simply cannot accept that he would be intimate with anybody other than his beloved Jo.

And miscalculation ka funda doesn't fit at all - he was just as much in love with Jo after the Ben track. which would have been atleast 4-5 months back... CVs itni stupidity kaise dikha sakte hain... its like believing you were in a car accident while watching TV in your living room 😲. Jalal ne believe kiya toh usne kuch toh kiya hoga na Ruk ke saath ... the thought gives me creeps!!!
But dear.. even in the serial, its only in the past month or so (in his depths of depression) where they've shown him totally monogamous.. (by Mothi's words) till then we only hear the Begums say 'Ruqs/Jo are so lucky Shehenshah never turns towards us even once'
Besides, even after the Ben kaand Ja-Jo have had their 'friendly phases' with no proper admittance of their feelings. So, while they showed him becoming increasingly attracted to Jo and being 'in love' with Jo he wasn't unattracted to Ruqs... (remember the chess game/chaugaan game etc)
My guess is after the moorthi kaand he stopped having any relationship (friendly/political/wifely/physical etc) with Ruqs as she must have ceased to remain his best friend/wife after that ... he doesn't even talk to her of his own accord after that!
Anyway, iske baad I only envisage the serial portraying him as a monogamous king..
So, I don't see anything majorly wrong with his characterization...it is a slow easing out of one relationship to bring another in (on the physical aspects I'm talking of - emotionally, he connects only to Jo)
In reality, I doubt Akbar would have been so physically devoted to HK (for months on end) even if she was the apple of his eye!😊
Edited by lashy - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: divyavm



Thanks much! Thanks for finally liking a post of mine 😉😆 Half kidding, as you are tough to please Trips.



Why do you keep saying that??? 😭
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Posted: 11 years ago
divi, a much needed post but i will take my time in writing a long reply..first will read the whole thread!
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: chitterati

Hi,

Loved your post, you should add Jalal's super hot killer looks to that list of good husband ( that one makes it to my top 5 list of qualities 😉 )
Even i don't understand the big deal about Jalal's exit from Jashn. It was way more graceful and respectful than JO's shirking his hand in Amer during Gangaur festivities.

Having said that, for me the distress is not about why and how he went to Ruk, its about the fact that he believed that baby was his. This implies he was physically intimate with Ruk / other begums even while claiming to love Jo sooo deeply. My monogamous mindset simply cannot accept that he would be intimate with anybody other than his beloved Jo.

And miscalculation ka funda doesn't fit at all - he was just as much in love with Jo after the Ben track. which would have been atleast 4-5 months back... CVs itni stupidity kaise dikha sakte hain... its like believing you were in a car accident while watching TV in your living room 😲. Jalal ne believe kiya toh usne kuch toh kiya hoga na Ruk ke saath ... the thought gives me creeps!!!


even if he had physical relation with ruks 4-5 months back then also ruks pregnancy is quite logical. most of the times u get know about ur pregnancy in ur 2nd or the 3rd month. for eg. my mom got to know about me in the 3rd month bcoz her monthly cycles were still on when she was in her 1st month. 2ndly, no doubt he loves jodha as a soulmate, he loves ruku as well of course in a different way. so he may not be intimate with others, he was still close to ruku bcoz his feelings for her was still the same. he didnt wanted to side track his 1st wife bcoz he was in love.
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Posted: 11 years ago
Hi Divya, I made a long post and it just got lost due to net failure So trying to re write what I had written pehle.

Firstly, on Jalal leaving the Jashn - as you pointed Divya, he did have that silent communique with Jodha when he left with Atgha - in fact we all forget that he is the Emperor and is answerable to no one yet he has shown at all times, a level of etiquette that is unknown in Kings and Emperors - infact he has shown better manners than his Begums put together!!!!!

Secondly, his not returning - well he has just received the one news that is his most cherished dream - of fatherhood - and if we look back, not so long ago, it was Jodha who had said that an expectant mother needs the father of her child by her during her pregnancy - so if now he does go to the side of his wife who is expecting his child how can that become wrong?????

Thirdly, Jalal being accused of only wanting a waaris and his relation with Jodha only for a child - this is the worst accusation that one can make on this man, his feelings for Jodha, his relation with Ruqs, his sense of justice and his desire for a child - Jalal's desire for a child comes from his immense capacity for love and the need to be the kind of father and love a child that he must have wanted and missed out on - his love for Rahim speaks volumes of this capacity and yes he considers Rahim as his own son, at the same time he wants another child to love - and what he is craving for is the kind of unadulterated love of a child that comes with no strings attached.

Fourthly, Jalal believing Ruqs - if one looks at Jalal's interactions with people, one would realise that though he has the ability to see others povs, at the same time he also believes the best about them until they by their own actions prove otherwise - this is a great quality though many would call it naivety or foolishness - Infact he gives people a long rope to hang themselves - and becoz he himself has the cherished desire to have a child to love and be a father, he expects the same feelings in Ruqs too, for motherhood - and stating Ruqs' desire for a child stems from a different reason may be presumptuous on our part - hence Jalal believing Ruqs and believing that she would not lie about such a matter would stem not from his own desire but from hers.

Fifthly, Jodha and her reaction - I call this reaction becoz she did not wait for Jalal to get back to her - She decided to find out the cause for his not returning to her side - and she decided to eavesdrop - and what she got to know, caused her sorrow and be jealous and once again I would say that it was the Universe playing the Zen Master, since Jodha's intent was not right - her need to know the reason for Jalal's absence somewhere stems from the fact that she still has only belief and no faith - Jodha needs to understand that in a polygamous set up all wives have equal rights on the husband, even if he may be 'In Love' with one, he has to be fair to all by giving himself and his time to all equally - Yes it sounds Unfair but only becoz of the need to 'Own' - once the need to 'Own' gets replaced by the need to 'Belong' the issue of Fair / Unfair would no longer exist - and this is one lesson that she can learn from her husband - Jalal in all his interactions has been conveying his desire to 'Belong' to Jodha.

Finally the timing of physical intimacy - In my opinion the Ruqs pregnancy has no bearing on Jodha-Jalal relationship - infact what I would like to know is 'What would one call as the perfect time for such intimacy?' - If one acts as per external stimuli no time can ever be the so called 'Right Time' - which is why the wise say that follow your gut instinct / follow your heart / look inwards to know when and how to act - and the call to be physically intimate is one that Jalal has given to Jodha and he would never take it away from her - and the fact that she has taken this leap of faith sends out a signal to Ruqs that the Jalal-Jodha relation would not be torn asunder by lack of faith and it also tells Jalal of her faith in him - but the most important point for Jodha is her intent for taking this step - as long as it is to belong to her husband / her beloved totally, she will have the Universe protecting her.
Edited by adianasr - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: divyavm


Thanks Sindhu. You know the trust was my biggest issue as well before this last track - you may remember I created a post "What is trust" where I was leaning towards Jodha : http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3954094. Sandhya, created a beautiful post on page 2 of that thread on what trust is and how it evolves.

I will be always honest - I always used to have a bias for Jodha and defending her. Two things fundamentally changed on why I think Jalal did not show lack of trust:
- Even after what he saw with Sujamal , he still asked Jodha before making any accusation ... Wouldn't He have punished him directly otherwise?
- Jodha did not show the same trust in him - trust has to go both ways

However, Jalal's fault is his short temper for sure. But then I thought of Jalal's POV- he sees, with his soldiers, Jodha with a strange man who just killed so many soldiers. Is that not a public insult to him? Everyone knew when Sujamal was found in Jodha's room- he did not make it a public fiasco.

I am actually really grateful for this latest track as it really has helped me understand Jalal's POV.

But, even if you found Jalal's trust to be a gap, hopefully, it is not a gap anymore. Because moving forward is what matters ...




Now I do not have doubts regarding Jalal. He has changed and so has Jodha. We will get to see some positive things .
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Posted: 11 years ago

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beautiful post divya..and the man needs no defence ...it is belittling both of them if we keep on questioning how good or bad he is or she is...

people are too busy seeing everything from their own pov that they refuse to see his pov...refuse to see him

there stands a man who time and again has only heard news about loss of a child...his yearning is so great,his hurt is so deep...and then the news of becoming father ...his happiness...every expression on his face...i want to slap ruqaiyya harder..not an ounce of remorse but rejoicing coz she ruined jodha's anniversary ...it felt like Jalal or his expression or his happiness did not register with her ..only the fact that he is with her and not jodha registered...

they both lost a child few months back...she may be bad or evil or a monster but she is about to become a mother ..even a stranger would be sympathetic and here we are talking about the father ..for that one moment time stopped for him and everything else vanished ...

and in such bliss you never reason or see logic ..it is just bliss...and similarly when jodha wept and was hurt even that was immediate reaction and i am so happy she reacted this way instead of raising her hands to bless both of them ...neither is Jalal's love for jodha taken a backstop nor has Jodha's love for the child...

and given the pics seen ..it seems jodha herself stopped him and both of them are in complete control of their senses without being drugged or drunk or emotionally vulnerable ...ence if they decided to go ahead with their relationship ,you and me are like the kazi who cannot and should not do anything...

even me more than the SR i am interested in the talk that led to this ..i love the emotional outpouring in such situations and hoping for a confession

to conclude people are too busy seeing the little things and all i am concerned about is the huge heartbreak he is going to suffer and no..no one in this world deserves this ...mocked twice once by his sister and next by his best friend and chief wife...his entire family will be shamed once again ...

first Divi, then Lashy and now you.
all r making me cry😭

totally loved it Sunny❤️

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