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Posted: 11 years ago
#51

Originally posted by: PadBear

and Mansi, Re Hakim Mirza, his supposed enmity with Jalal was that Jalal was too all embracing in his religious views. MH wanted to extend the Kabul regime into Hindustan and keep it Islamic. You could say HM was closer to Aurangzeb in outlook. So I'm a bit speechless seeing him want to marry Shivani !!

or HM is the real snake in Agra. Playing everyone for a fool.

If that was his real reason for enmity with Jalal, then it is utterly surprising how he's cozying up to Jodha and Shivani? Or was it the loss of Shivani that made him hate the non-Muslims?
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Posted: 11 years ago
#52

Originally posted by: RoshiniManeet

Great write up Maansi. Actually could not catch up with the epi but no regrets...hope there is no more MU...already it is MU square...we dont want MU multiplying at the rate of bacteria and virus.

If you didn't see the epi, you missed nothing except maham's 64 teeth!
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Posted: 11 years ago
#53

Originally posted by: jyoti06

Mansi superb write up 👏.. For the first time I dint really bother to catch up the episode .. had gone out and after coming back dint feel like watching the repeat .. that whole curiosity for JA is lost somewhere ...

Anyways I managed to see the part where Jalal was telling Hakim about the qualities of Rajput girls indirectly hinting at Jodha which was a cute scene of Jalal indirectly teasing Jodha of those early days 😳 ... sighhh that scene reminded me of those golden JA moments we used to get during those times .. 😔 ... Dint bother to catch the rest as I knew it will b all about Shivani fiasco only

So now Maham will blackmail Shivani to trap Jodha and make her look bad in front of Jalal during the climax of the wedding when Shivani will elope with that servant but even after all this we know Maham will stilll go scotfree 😃🤢... Benazir track as usual is hanging with no conclusion and next track started too 😆...

Jyoti, what can I say, iit has become so clear that faltoo scenes are being added just for timepass. There was even one totally unnecessary scene of Sharif in jail wondering who is Mali's agent now in Agra? For this did we need a scene? It is such a clear attempt at time-wasting, that if the Creatives think we are such asses to swallow this I duuno what to say.
I think the Creatives are doing tauheen of us viewers. Sar kalam karna chahiye!
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Posted: 11 years ago
#54

Originally posted by: history_geek


Your post is 👏 .
The episode was epic. 😆
Coz 'ONLY' 28 mins of Maham ki saazish. 😆
And, 1 mins of JA's comedy.
The leading lady of the show yesterday was Maham. 🤢
BTW...Maham should shrug off her wazir e aliya's auhda and take up any one of foll.
1. Dak munshi...since every letter in agra eventually reached her only inspite of the destination its ought to reach. 😉
2. Head of jalal's body guard unit...she is the best shaatir khiladi in agra..

BTW...you suggested a new title for tha show...maham ka naach... 😆 .. I thought another one...Bat''woman'' Returns...!..!..or ' The adventures of Manga's karname in the Mughal Sultanate'. If a new viewer starts watching JA now, will surely feel that it is about Manga's saazish and nothing more.😕

i am not writing anything worthwhile because it is useless now. Anything can take place as per the PH. And already all possible predictions u have given in your posts. But again, i still feel tejvar is going to get auhda of 'miyya' or 'saheb' to raise his stature vis a vis shivani.. As before we discussed last week.. Lets c.

Now, on a serious note...

I have stopped expecting anything from now on till this track ends...but kudos to your positivity...hope what u wrote happens...though grim possibility..
But, i think jalal is beginning to return in his usual dual chaal playing mode... And he has started to walk as well.. 😆

now ruqu is back from trip. But it seems she will of no help. Infact she was complaining why this marriage.?!... Ek mirch kam thi jo dusri ko bhi bula rahe hain aap.!!
😆
the scene where ja praised jo in court saved yesterday's epi otherwise it was MA- MA all the way.!
I pray the CVs also come back soon to their original sense. I cant see this drama of interfaith marriage for long.

Inspite of flaws, one soothing thing was Ben was absent. An icing on the cake.

Stay positive. Great writeup. Hope we get a digestable matter today. 😆


Originally posted by: skanda12


Abhay, you are really hilarious, and damn good at this satire! Love it!😆
Accha, see I need to know from you ... why exactly did Hakim and Jalal fall out with each other and when? Was it because of the Shivani issue - or something else? Please see my reply to Sandhya, because I am groping for answers on this one!



Thnx. for this..😆...


Ok.. Now on a historical note..🤓..

1.
Exactly, how Hakim Mirza went against Jalal is not confirmed, TILL NOW...Had i known, would have posted it before..

Reason ->

a. Have not got hold of FULL biography of Munim Khan.(khan-i-khanan munim khan).😕...Exact reason is not given EVEN in akbar's memoirs.(i read them.!..)..

b. And, i am slowly procuring Rajputana Archives, i am MYSELF trying to dig the exact reason. I ll post it as soon as possible.

But, Mansi i do not think that Mirza is going to fall out with Jalal due to this Shivani issue. The actual reason may be that, Jalal gives 'imperial auhda' to Tejvar (i have written several times before as well, do not know why but i feel i have read someone like tejvant/tuhir getting an imperial position, but can not recall this..😕..)...And, this may hurt Hakim, that Tejvar is getting precedence, as you have mentioned in your answer.

And,
Already, we discussed before, Mirza married daughter of Governor of Badakshan, as first wife. Not a Hindu girl..

2.
Secondly, No daughter of Bharmal ever ELOPED, (i never read this till now..)..So, i feel EKTA can not do this blunder of making a rajvanshi princess ELOPE.!.😕..
(but that lady is giving us crap now..so i am waiting.!. And searching more myself..)

3. Another problem, in this issue is of correctness of timeline, so i am not able to digest this track. I am myself confused. But, this Tuhir is related SOMEWHERE DEEPLY with Mughals..!!...
I ll find and post.


Finally, this track is not digestable ALSO on following grounds..

"
They want to show that Jodha is ready🤢 to get Shivani married to hakim. Was Jodha not the one who was opposed to her marriage with jalal.?.They are trying to prove her stupid now. The same they did with jalal a few days back.
I agree later she got Man Bai marry Salim. But that was a different happier phase. She had the respect, a wife and a queen should have. Right now she is still not getting equal respect. How can they show this at this moment.?.
"


The FIRST CLEAR SIGNS when Hakim turned against Jalal were around 1565-66 (Mughal-Uzbek conflict.
.u remember..? that long post on Hakim..?i wrote...)

He was "against him before as well", but those signs were NOT clearly visible. I mean he used to form alliance with people against him.!. Ex. uzbek, persians, transoxianians, etc.

I am waiting for entry of Mahchuchak Begum, mother of Hakim, she was Maham-part-2. And, its mentioned it was she who PREVENTED Mirza to fall in influence of Akbar's loyalists.. (Indirectly, this MAY mean that initially he was pro-Jalal..?😕?)

Conclusion :
Exact reason(if any.) unknown TO ME so far. I am trying to find it.


Anyone wanting to read on Tuhir/Tejvar and shivani , read page28,29 here..
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3848936/mughals-ja-real-is-not-fiction-pt4-author-tms-note-on-pg1-and-91?pn=28
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3848936/mughals-ja-real-is-not-fiction-pt4-author-tms-note-on-pg1-and-91?pn=29

Mirza Hakim, page-20
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/98657498

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: skanda12

If that was his real reason for enmity with Jalal, then it is utterly surprising how he's cozying up to Jodha and Shivani? Or was it the loss of Shivani that made him hate the non-Muslims?


Isn't this whole HM in Agra buttering up Jodha a complete Ekta bhabhi-devar thing? I don't think HM ever came on a friendly visit to Agra. Somebody correct me but I thought the Jallu-HM uneasiness began in Kabul. Coz Jalal was supposed to have grown up there and not in Rajputana...but that's another story...

But I'm quite suspicious of him as it is! That 'rescuing' Jodha bhabhi from the dead snake looked really staged to me. Also the way CVs are showing Jodha just instantly thinking the world of him (and it's not just to make Jalal jealous) is very very suspicious. HM is too good to be true.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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keep up the positivism.If this happens when i check back on IF, i will dance camili camili from dhoom 3, and take on the challenge.😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

Mansi,
Nice to see hope for positive outcome.
But if the story proceeds along these lines woud it not be simply unfair?
How does Jodha's sister become more important than Jalal's brother?

This is not about his brother and her sister. Jalal somewhere is comparing this Shivani-Hakim marriage with his own. If he is still suffering because Jodha was married against her consent why would he want his dear brother suffer the same way ? He wants Shivani's consent because Hakim is more important to him than this another alliance with Amer, and after knowing Shivani's love for that kaarigar would he still want the marriage to happen knowing Hakim will be at loss ? Just because it is now question of his rutba? If Mansi's prediction comes true then chances are there Hakim may feel offended but it is only Jalal who knows how much it affects when you are married to someone who does not love you back.
Of course, as per history Haakim was against Jalal. That should be because of some strong political reason later. Certainly not because of a worthless Shivaani
I agree with Mansi, loving someone and being trapped in a situation like this where you don't want to harm your sisters relation with her husband does not make you worthless! She is young, innocent and clearly cannot understand how horrendously MA is trapping her just because she wants her revenge with Jodha(unknown to Shivani). I am expecting her to confess everything to Jodha today. So lets and watch.


Shivaani is to be blamed here. First of all she chose Agra to elope. Secondly she didn't confide in her mother nor her sister. She might have spoken in the DEK under Mahaam's influence. But even before that when she wrote the letter to Tej, declaring that she would come to Ambe Maa temple and they would run away. This chit is not worth losing a brother for and it would be unfair if we expect Jalal to do so.

Shivani is at fault for this eloping thing but Jalal is not losing his brother because of her! And Shivani would be a chit if she marries Hakim under MA's influence and we all know the marriage is not going to happen. If Hakim fails to realise that Shivani loves someone else and don't want to marry him it is his fault too. If he stands against Jalal's decision for whatever it would be, he is clearly not understanding his brotherly love and Jalal being protective for him.
Moreover they can't show that Jalal actually helped Shivaani and Tej unite. The emperor of Hindustan can't afford to have a non-royal for a relative (even if Tej's status is improved he would still remain a commoner by birth). It would be against his pride. And it should be remembered that Jalal is future Akbar who stood against his own son marrying a commoner and was always rutba-conscious.
That Anarkali story does not have a historical base. AFAIK Akbar did oppose Salim when he wanted to marry Mehrunnisa(Nur Jahan) in his youth and that was because Mehrunnisa's marriage was already fixed to someone else and the emperor could not go back on his words.

Is it okay for Jalal to risk the irk and disappointment and anger of a brother by supporting such a worthless girl? Would it be fair that we expect Jalal to lose Haakim for the happiness of Shivaani-Tej? Would Jodha also consider her sister's felicity more important than the respect of the Mughal Sultanate (as the wedding is going to be publicly announced). Losing Haakim's pyaar would also be okay for her. Would it? Her sister would indeed be more precious to her than Jalal's brother. Others feelings, be it Jalal's or Haakim's can go to hell.
I would say this is not going to be easy for both of them, Jalal and Jodha but you can not be biased when you are a Shehenshah and as for Jodha I feel she will oppose Shivani-Tej but it will be Jalal who will pursue her and as I said if Hakim fails to understand Jalal because this rejection will somewhere hurt his male ego then nothing can be done for it.

Jalal lost his dear fort in Sukanya's wedding. But atleast there Shariffu ws to blame and Sukanya was innocent. But here this Shivaani is not worth losing a brother. Losing his pride, his brother ... all for the sake of the worthless Shivaani and to please a thankless wife?
He chose to gift it to Sukanya after winning it back from her in laws ! Amerians did not ask the fort in khairat. Jalal is already in concern over this marriage and I hope he finds a solution before the wedding bell rings.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Great analysis Mansi 🤗
I agree with you 😃
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Posted: 11 years ago
#60

Originally posted by: history_geek




Thnx. for this..😆...


Ok.. Now on a historical note..🤓..

1.
Exactly, how Hakim Mirza went against Jalal is not confirmed, TILL NOW...Had i known, would have posted it before..

Reason ->

a. Have not got hold of FULL biography of Munim Khan.(khan-i-khanan munim khan).😕...Exact reason is not given EVEN in akbar's memoirs.(i read them.!..)..

b. And, i am slowly procuring Rajputana Archives, i am MYSELF trying to dig the exact reason. I ll post it as soon as possible.

But, Mansi i do not think that Mirza is going to fall out with Jalal due to this Shivani issue. The actual reason may be that, Jalal gives 'imperial auhda' to Tejvar (i have written several times before as well, do not know why but i feel i have read someone like tejvant/tuhir getting an imperial position, but can not recall this..😕..)...And, this may hurt Hakim, that Tejvar is getting precedence, as you have mentioned in your answer.

And,
Already, we discussed before, Mirza married daughter of Governor of Badakshan, as first wife. Not a Hindu girl..

2.
Secondly, No daughter of Bharmal ever ELOPED, (i never read this till now..)..So, i feel EKTA can not do this blunder of making a rajvanshi princess ELOPE.!.😕..
(but that lady is giving us crap now..so i am waiting.!. And searching more myself..)

3. Another problem, in this issue is of correctness of timeline, so i am not able to digest this track. I am myself confused. But, this Tuhir is related SOMEWHERE DEEPLY with Mughals..!!...
I ll find and post.


Finally, this track is not digestable ALSO on following grounds..

"
They want to show that Jodha is ready🤢 to get Shivani married to hakim. Was Jodha not the one who was opposed to her marriage with jalal.?.They are trying to prove her stupid now. The same they did with jalal a few days back.
I agree later she got Man Bai marry Salim. But that was a different happier phase. She had the respect, a wife and a queen should have. Right now she is still not getting equal respect. How can they show this at this moment.?.
"


The FIRST CLEAR SIGNS when Hakim turned against Jalal were around 1565-66 (Mughal-Uzbek conflict.
.u remember..? that long post on Hakim..?i wrote...)

He was "against him before as well", but those signs were NOT clearly visible. I mean he used to form alliance with people against him.!. Ex. uzbek, persians, transoxianians, etc.

I am waiting for entry of Mahchuchak Begum, mother of Hakim, she was Maham-part-2. And, its mentioned it was she who PREVENTED Mirza to fall in influence of Akbar's loyalists.. (Indirectly, this MAY mean that initially he was pro-Jalal..?😕?)

Conclusion :
Exact reason(if any.) unknown TO ME so far. I am trying to find it.


Anyone wanting to read on Tuhir/Tejvar and shivani , read page28,29 here..
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3848936/mughals-ja-real-is-not-fiction-pt4-author-tms-note-on-pg1-and-91?pn=28
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3848936/mughals-ja-real-is-not-fiction-pt4-author-tms-note-on-pg1-and-91?pn=29

Mirza Hakim, page-20
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/98657498

Thanks Abhay. That's a lot of info but as you say its not quite squaring up so it a bbit difficult to digest what Ekta is doing!😲

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