Mughals - JA(REAL) is not Fiction-Pt4 - Author/TM's note on Pg1 and 91 - Page 29

Originally posted by: history_geek

Tamy,
You made me land in another trouble by mentioning this "bhaashan stuff of Jodha".😕
Bombarded with PM's overnight.
OK. Take this answer.

I am not saying anything from " ❤️ " point of view..
This one is a totally serious answer..!..

But, if you think "The Real Jodha" , did not give her "bhaashans and lectures to Jalal".
Then, have a thought. She did give.!.


"Lectures were there surely, But may be the way of delivery was bit different from what is shown...😊 But nonetheless, MUZ did have active participation in Akbar's decisions...The way a wife can influence her husband's decisions..."


(Do not talk about that movie. Real Jalal and Jodha were not that way. That question has been answered already.)
Link:
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/98473841

I am explaining this because, when it will be shown on the show that Jodha giving MAJOR 'lectures' to Jalal even in "political and court matters", then the forum will soon erupt, with the usual dialogue ->"Real Jodha of 16th century would not have done so. She would be obedient mute spectator. And, this is harming Jalal's image..!.." ...And, then again Fan-Wars....


Do not understand, why MANY of us underestimate women of 16th century.😕.
Do not know about other women. But, she was different.
So, you remember her even now..!.. after 400-450 years.!.
And, that is the reason, MAXIMUM references are tampered which are associated with her. (see previous page for PROOF of tamperings.!.)...
Links::
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/98184475

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/98956120


More examples ::

1. 13th century (760 years back.!!.)
Even Raziya Sultan(1236-1240), daughter of Iltutmish ruled Delhi. A woman sat on throne of Delhi, against the wishes of Ulemas.!!..

2. 17th century (350 years back)
A daughter of Aurangzeb(or his brother) gave a speech to the army.
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/98555146

3. 16th century (450 years back)
MUZ herself commanded a cavalry of 12,000..Link::
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/97808719

4. 500 BC(2500 years back..!!..when women condition was not so good..)
Foster Mother of Gautam Buddha, Gautami, herself attended the Buddhist Sangha, even when women at that time were not allowed to attend. She made Buddha change his mind through a disciple Ananda. This is probably from Buddhist text - 'Vinaya-Pitaka'.

The reason i am giving these examples is only to TELL, DO NOT GENERALISE EVERYTHING. Few women were DIFFERENT and HENCE FAMOUS as well.!!.

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As usual..!..
No one is ready to accept Jalal getting bhaashans from Jodha..!.As they feel it is being done to showcase Jodha as MAHAAN..!!!...😕 "phew"..If she was Mahaan, then what's the problem accepting her..?.."Jodha ke Mahan hone se Jalal ki Mahaanta kam ho jayegi kya.?.".😕.Nahi.!..

I do not want to enter this debate of Jalal-Jodha FAN war.!.
But, i am just writing what CHRONICLES have given us...!!..
For me it's no benefit to side with anyone.

I am answering coz i have facts IN-hand.
Don't like un-necessary "vad-vivaad" based on BASELESS assumptions.😕.

Just telling you since had this question..AND, many PM's to me and KDR81 earlier..
).

P.S. -> Lectures/Bhaashan's are true. Do not feel Akbar's prestige is getting down by this. If this happened why won't they show it.?.

Two links -->Comments by me and KDR81..Check them...

1. 2-3 comments by myself.
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3809107/akbar-ruqs-false-monogamy-pt2ja-not-fiction-upd-p10-16-18-ruqs34-35-36?pn=4

2. A comment by KDR81. (4th comment on this page.)
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3809107/akbar-ruqs-false-monogamy-pt2ja-not-fiction-upd-p10-16-18-ruqs34-35-36?pn=5

P.P.S. -> Please do NOT PM for knowing the details of theLectures/Bhaashan's to me or KDR81.😊. Will update soon. You may post here, till then. (a request..)

P.P.P.S -> Feel free to reject this answer as fiction, if some people do not believe. I am just answering few PM's and Tamy's query. But, reality says 'Lectures' are TRUE. (Some instances are very famous.).

Originally posted by: ayushimehra

i want to say something i read an artical there was no love story in Historcial books about Salim-Anarkal i aggries with it . i read in that artical Akbar did not wanted Salim-Anarkali story mentioned in Akbar -Nama

i am not a historian not know this is true or not. some books were written to what says their secreates their servents dassies etc. Akbar wanted this so image of future king of Hindustan didnot spoil.because then he was also become Akbar The Great.i also read once rukaia was punished by Akbar why i also read this rukaia also wants this is not mention in that books Akbar give her a promise.

abhay i request you please research it and tell us its true or not.

sharfuddin forgive by Akbar three or four times at last akbar said to Bakshi-Bano decided his punishment what i fogot. Rukaia was forgiven after Salim$ birth because jodha wants it. so Salim was brought up by jodha not rukaia because Akbar was angry with Rukaia that time. jodha became MUJ and she became Malika-hindustan for her decent Qualties. later khurram was brought up by rukaia and she plays an important role in akbar$ life when akbar and Salim$ realtion became sour. after that rukaia didnot disturb Akbar and jodha life

Originally posted by: elasingh

I too have read that Ruku was punished by Akbar and was no longer part of his life for some time...

Originally posted by: ayushimehra

i want to say something i read an artical there was no love story in Historcial books about Salim-Anarkal i aggries with it . i read in that artical Akbar did not wanted Salim-Anarkali story mentioned in Akbar -Nama

i am not a historian not know this is true or not. some books were written to what says their secreates their servents dassies etc. Akbar wanted this so image of future king of Hindustan didnot spoil.because then he was also become Akbar The Great.i also read once rukaia was punished by Akbar why i also read this rukaia also wants this is not mention in that books Akbar give her a promise.

abhay i request you please research it and tell us its true or not.

sharfuddin forgive by Akbar three or four times at last akbar said to Bakshi-Bano decided his punishment what i fogot. Rukaia was forgiven after Salim$ birth because jodha wants it. so Salim was brought up by jodha not rukaia because Akbar was angry with Rukaia that time. jodha became MUJ and she became Malika-hindustan for her decent Qualties. later khurram was brought up by rukaia and she plays an important role in akbar$ life when akbar and Salim$ realtion became sour. after that rukaia didnot disturb Akbar and jodha life

Originally posted by: adianasr

BTW Abhay did Jodha covert to islam? If yes when and what was her islamic name???

Originally posted by: history_geek

Adi.

No i did not read anything about conversion issue.
She did not convert as far as i know.😊.