28 mins about Maham-Shivani & 2 mins about Hakim! - Page 8

Originally posted by: history_geek

@diksha..

Agree...
Lately, but now Ekta is turning her experiments on jodha. After doing all the expt. On jalal.
I just hope she doesn't do more blunders here now..!..by making shivani elope...

Originally posted by: history_geek

Sorry for joining late here...
My lappy has just now malfunctioned. M on my mob. So will be a bit slow.

Awesome discussion is going on here...

I am trying to recollect a few points here which a few of my friends have said here...

And would add my points..

1. Totally agree that NO salim anarkali prem katha has any ground. 👏 ... A hatched story...i think jshweta said this.? Kudos.. Thanx for the clarification

2. How can any one compare blood line of two royalties.?.. What a strange comparison..?
Yes its correct..both ja jo are royal.. Its fine. But comparing blood is . 😆 Yes, it is..😆

3. No problems with jalal but he trusts wrong people. Maham. Adham. Sharif. Mahchuchak begum. Later hakim. Later his own siphasalars. Even his chief maulvis. Also his royal commanders..?..this list is endless..plz read...u ll get to know..the conspiracies hatched against him and who he trusted in these situations... All emperors are bound to be surrounded by loyalists and traitors. In Jalal's case unfortunately the proportion of the latter was more. Anyway greater the Emperor, greater are his enemies.

4. Jalal got a lot from Amer.. Yes, Their relationship was symbiotic.

Loyalty...next 6-7 generations of amer supported mughals.

Abul fazl calls rajputs as spines of mughal rule.!!

Many sons and grandsons of bharmal perished fighting for them.

Jalal DID NOT 'lose' anything with this 'political alliance'. He was a clever king. And i do like his cleverness.!...without cleverness how can a king rule..this is a good quality...

And, i read before as well in a comment somewhere that amer people got wealth from jalal...lol..lol.?? Instead they paid tribute in form of 'khalisa' - the tribute on crown land..!!...maybe this name is not correct but they paid tribute.. etc. Etc.

Ekta is doing blunders here.
She did not show 'CLEARLY' that Akbar also got a lot of presents in marriage with jodha. Somewhere mentioned in my threads.
I agree akbar also give them presents but i am only saying HE ALSO GOT A LOT.!. And he himself LIKED a lot of them..!!

Jalal gave them the money because they were his mansabdars.
Every mansabdar gets money. So whats new in this.? It is for upkeep of royal troops.
For example..bharmal got 30000 coz he was mansabdar of 5000.


Infact amer supported jalal from pillar to post... They supported jalal when EVERYONE betrayed him in the rebellion of 1580-81. !!.

Even in gujarat rebellion of 1571-2 the MAIN harem building was kept in charge of bharmal.!!! Such was his faith that he posted a rajput in charge of his haram.!!

And man singh and bhagwan went to fight with akbar in gujarat.

At times akbars other wives while travelling were under charge of bhagwan das for protection. Dont be shocked if u get all such things on show. they are true. Could he believe anyone else..??


He got their 'loyalty' which cant be bought.!!..

Friends, while debating plz try to be neutral, only then can a person enjoy...!!...

At mansi...do not feel that if i have written i hv no faith in ek.. Then it means she is giving all crap.. I m NOT sure of this track but the show is running fine..

Afterall...v can be positive as well. And negative as well...hai na..??...v can bash a person as well support as well...i m saying in ref to jo ja..
Ryt now they r centre of discussion. I try to be a bit historical.

And history is NO WHERE Against amer's support to jalal..

Originally posted by: history_geek

Sandhya,

This was not in reference to you ESPECIALLY or written after taking anything to heart.
I don't act in that manner. It was just a neutral take.

I just read the comments on last 3 pages and wrote that post.
And, gave a few corrections ONLY on historical points.
This was not in reference to show's events. These were some facts.
And, when i write as per show i clearly mention it.

Yes, i understand this is for fun. And, i also write such fun posts at times.
P.S. -> I have stated at the end in that post, my post is from historical POV.

Thnx , you wrote this point. I could clarify it. Afterall, we are here to interact.

Originally posted by: elasingh

Sandhya it is wrong to say that Jalal lost fort becoz of Sukanya...No he lost it due to SD's treachery...and not even once did BM and Jo asked him to gift it to Sukanya...Plz dont blame Jodha and her family for it...It is Jalal's fault that he choose a wrong person to persue marriage talk...

Talking abt Rutba? Where was that rutba when he invited that Abul Mali's harem girl to sit with him on throne? Where is that rutba when MA is given more importance than HB?

Again I dont think Jo is going to be happy abt Shivani getting married to Tej and she is as royal as Jalal...OK...Jalal's father was no great warriors...In fact Humanyuin was badly defeated by Sher shah Suri and didn't dare to enter India as long as Suri was alive...So lets not discuss abt blood line...

As far as MH turning against Jalal is concerned...Jallu never had a single strong relationship ...All his relatives plotted against him...First time in his life he is going to get Jodha's family as relatives who will not plot or plan against him...

Originally posted by: elasingh

Sandhya it doesn't matter if Jallu knew or not abt promising fort to Sukanya's inlaws...It was his reponsibility to make this marriage happen and he fullfilled it...bas...

His apologizing doesn't not wash away the pain Jodha went through ...She was a wife who was badly let down by her husband when she needed him most...Worse, he was the one who instead of protecting her said" zinda jala denge." How can any woman love a man like him?

And what makes earlier groom a bandit king? Did Jallu inquire? No ...One person came to his darbaar and said he was looting bas...Jallu attacked and killed him...Dont you think he should have been given a chance to put his side of things...Jallu killed him becoz he wanted revange...

When Jallu keeps repeating faults...so I am right to bash him...

SD was a soldier and Tej is an artisan...both belong to almost same social level give or take few...It is not as if SD comes from a hi-fi family...He rose to prominance due to his capabilities and his marriage to BB...Tej is equally good in his work and after marrying Shivani he will rise too...😆

Shehenshah-e-hind is an status not bloodline...Bloodline of both JJ is equally royal...

If Jallu had picked up Jo and run, she would have comitted suicide...and BM and his family would have died in war ...Jallu had made whole Amer his enemy and would not have got a foothold in Rajputana...