Originally posted by: skanda12
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Sandhya, where is it said that Jodha's sister becomes more important than Jalal's brother if their marriage does not happen and Shivani marries the man she actually loves?
Is it not the right of every human being to fall in love with whoever they choose? And if they do fall in love with someone of their choice does it then put them on a tarazu with the other potential suitor to see whether the girl or the boy she doesn't love is in a unfair position or less or more important?
Of course, she has a right to choose her partner. But can she convince her father into it? Why choose Agra? Even after wedding talks started, she doesn't confide her own mother or sister? I don't mean that Hakim becomes unimportant. I only meant that Jalal need not hurt Haakim for the sake of Shivaani and let the Ameris solve their daughter's issue themselves without involving himself in the affair.
It is Bhaarmal's duty to handle the situation. Not Jalal's. Why is he always expected to be the problem solver and hatred and dhakka-reciever. Does he have only duties as a shahenshah, as a husband, no rights? Don't duties and rights go hand in hand?
I suppose if we had a situation where, say Shivani and Hakim were applying for the same job (in modern times) then if one got the job and the other didn't ... we can then talk of whether the selection process was fair (or if it was blatantly unfair). But here it is a question of saying whether a girl should be allowed to marry who she likes. In that case how does Hakim become unimportant just because we take the position that Shivani should be free to choose the man she loves and Jalal and Jodha should encourage her to choose freely?
I cannot understand how you can call someone a "worthless girl" just because she fell in love and she is so young she probably does not know how to handle the issue and manage the ire of her relatives etc. She cannot be faulted for her feelings! And neither can Jalal be faulted for supporting her right to choose her life in freedom. In fact I think as an elder brother Jalal should counsel Hakim that it is Shivani's right to choose her own life, and not let Hakim feel as if he has been insulted by her right to freedom of choice.
Falling in love before you can handle it and implicating others and the respect of two kingdoms is not an appreciable quality. I certainly wouldn't call her a good princess. When Jalal at 22 can be expected to be ultra-perfect on all fronts, Shivaani who must be 16 atleast (age law) should know better. Had Shivaani confided in Jalal right after Jo told her about her wedding, before she wrote the letter, I would appreciate Jalal's considering if not support. But not after her DEK okaying and official announcement.
Again I cannot also understand how Jalal can blame Shivani for "loss of his brother". Do you not think the relationship between two brothers should be judged on its own merit and not because of the influence of anyone else and their own independent choices falling on this relationship?
Great enemities are built upon little differences of opinions. But as you said we do not know what exactly caused their enemity. Haakim may as well take everything in good grace. But again why is understanding, sacrifice, grace and niceties expected only from Agra brothers (as though it is their holy duty to be good) and not Ameri sisters?
I am not sure about the historical reasons why Hakim went against Jalal, and I will try to check this with Abhay (History_Geek).
But even if I am not sure, I think if a man is turned down by a girl because she loves someone else, he cannot be angry with Jalal for that! He could perhaps be angry with Jalal for jalal's role in lessening his own chances (e.g. if Jalal says "Okay, to make Tejwant acceptable to the Amer family as Shivani's husband, I will give him a job and title as my Senior Shahi Architect" etc etc.) In that case it would probably be possible for hakim to get unduly upset with jalal saying "If Shivani wanted to marry tejwant I cannot be angry but I am angry that you helped Tejwant and thus reduced my chances with her". But jalal could also say "If you are not her choice, whether I elevate tejwant or not you have no chance with her anyway".
The issue henceforth would not be Shivaani or no shivaani. It would be the question of personal and public respect.
Now how all this pans out we'll have to see. All this is just my guesswork at this stage as to who may say what. Let's wait and see. Meanwhile I'll ask Abhay to tell us whether hakim was upset with Jalal over this or some other issue.
Also there was a spoiler that came once that Hakim would help unite Jodha and jala. If that is the case then why are we all assuming hakim may get upset with jalal so soon on the Shivani issue?
As I said it was all just my prediction - guesswork - and not a certainty. Maybe Hakim will accept Shivani's choice of tejwant in good grace ... and much later he may differ with Jalal on some other issue. But histroicallly it was true that hakim became Jalal's enemy. At which point and for what reason we don't have clarity yet.
Not just yours, many expect the story to proceed in this line. Who knows maybe it will. The CVs have no qualms making Jalal and family the scapegoat everytime.
Abhay! Can you help us out on this point? Why did hakim and Jalal fall out with each other and when?😲
I'd like to know that as well.
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