Mughals - JA(REAL) is not Fiction-Pt4 - Author/TM's note on Pg1 and 91 - Page 66

One of the books I read mentioned why no Hindu wives were buried along with the the Mughal kings unlike some of their muslim wives is maybe they were cremated as per hindu rites but the author was also not sure about it

is there any truth in the new track on jalal jodha mu due to jodha meeting sujamal????

Originally posted by: vaasanthi

abay can u plz clarify this plz

is there any truth in the new track on jalal jodha mu due to jodha meeting sujamal????

was she sent to amer due this incident???

Till date i have NOT read that Jodha was banished to Amer. 😊
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/100108888

hii... i m jus a newbie.. don know how will people react to my post...:P
bt i hav heard u r d most authentic resercher of dis forum...so i m here to clear my dosent of doubts...:P..bt i m a big bookwrm...!!... read a few books on him...n d net too(though it isnt reliable)...

There is one doubt in my mind. Most of the members say that MUZ never converted to Islam which might not be true at all. Maybe after she left active politics when Noorjahan became the empress she might have converted otherwise why was she buried acc to Islamic tradition? Also, why was a mosque made by Jehangir on her name and not a temple?

Originally posted by: sunram

One of the books I read mentioned why no Hindu wives were buried along with the the Mughal kings unlike some of their muslim wives is maybe they were cremated as per hindu rites but the author was also not sure about it

Hi Sunram,

There are other reasons probably. I have tried finding about MUZ's Tomb in particular. And, there is the presence of a 'Chattri' structure in her Tomb Complex, and this raises suspicion about the question you have raised, because ''Chattris'' were constructed at the cremation site of Hindu royalty. Though, still doubtful about her last rites, but searching. Will add the pic of the 'Chattri' here after some time. :)

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@Sunram

I am posting the pictures of the "Chattri" structures i was talking about. 😊

As i said before, Chattris were constructed at the place where, the Hindu Rajput Royalty people used to be cremated. So, i am posting pictures of some "Chattris".

Here are the pictures.

1. Chattris of the Devi Kund in Bikaner, Rajasthan

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Such Chattris structures existed in Udaipur as well.

There are 19 cluster of such Chattris here. Located about 2 kms east of Udaipur, it is an impressive cluster of cenotaphs of the Maharanas of Mewar. There are about nineteen cenotaphs of Maharanas cremated here.

The most striking one is that of Rana Amar Singh, son of Maharana Pratap, who reigned from 1597 to 1620.

Few Pictures:

Now, finally coming to the point.
The following is about Mariam Uz Zamani's tomb.


The structure contains three cenotaphs : one in the underground chamber, which is the grave itself; the cenotaph above it on the ground floor and another cenotaph on the terrace open to sky.

Here is the one said to be in the underground chamber:


This mausoleum is said to be UNIQUE in itself, in the entire Mughal Period, and falls in the rare category of classic "domeless" tombs of Mughals.

The tomb is in the crypt under the central compartment, which can be accessed with the stairs made in red-stone. A cenotaph is placed in the central chamber. Below the tomb there are around 40 chambers that are painted on plastered walls.


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Also, strangely enough, the tomb complex of Mariam-Uz-Zamani also contains proper 'stone' "Chattri". Chattris were constructed at the place where the Hindu royalty people used to be 'cremated' as per Hindu customs.

Here is the photograph of Chattri.





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Main Structure:



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Seems, It was originally, made of red sandstone. Later, refurbished with white plaster.

@Sunram...

I have posted 2 more comments above, related to these Chattris and Empty Cenotaphs, among the Hindu Royalty people. And, i find the case for MUZ to be similar. But, i can not answer the question concretely, as I have NOT been able to access all archival records. Hence i am NOT clear was she really buried, or cremated.(?) But the presence of 'Chattri' structure, STRONGLY enforces this point which you have said about the LAST rites.!. Lets search MORE. 😊

Originally posted by: Cleo12345

Good post...

I've been reading about Mithridatism as well.

Trying to explain this very complex process of ' how to make a vishkanya' by modern medicine can be attempted. Some things make sense to me...some don't. I'll try to stay away from complex medical terms.

There seems to be some similarity to vaccination where there is administration of a killed or weaker form of pathogen/ toxin in the body...the body's immune system senses the danger and produces antibodies( weapons) in abundance...more like an army prepared for an overkill after a weak enemy attack. If the next attack is powerful ( exposure to actual disease...here the pathogen is strong) ...the body ready and thus immune.

Desensitization or allergy immunotherapy is a medical treatment used for severe allergies ( this is different from infection ) ... There is regular administration of increasing doses of allergen ( the culprit)... This also brings changes to immune system and the next time patient is exposed to the culprit the allergic reaction is not that severe.

anti venom used to treat snake bites is also prepared by injecting a diluted form of the actual venom into an animal like horse or sheep. The animal will have a immune response and produce antibodies( the weapons ) which are used to prepare the anti venom.

All this can partially explain a few things... But immune response in people can be different . Some of these girls may have died... Probably only the fittest survived. BUT...this only explains how they become immune.

How do they become weapons of assassination? I am immune to polio but it does not mean that if I bite someone, they will get the disease.

Another theory can be : There are diseases where people are 'carriers' of a disease and appear to be healthy on the outside but can still transmit it to other people. Some forms of hepatitis and even some HiV patients in the initial stages of the disease.

How were these processes combined using snake venom? I don't know...

Their knowledge of medicine in those days must be really advanced as far as snake venom is concerned. First making a person immune to snake venom and then a toxic carrier as well!!!

I Havn't had the time to do a lot of research today. I'll go through some older publications to see if I can find something that can help me scientifically understand the 'making of Vishkanyas' . If it has been mentioned so many times in different eras and civilizations, I 'll not dismiss it right away and try to find a logical explanation( if there is one)

I don't underestimate our ancestors. ' Vimaans' are mentioned in our ancient texts...in 15th century, people probably dismissed it as something mythological only...but we have ( airplanes) today. Our ancestors were probably smarter than we think. The vishkanya theory may be a myth but if there is any truth to it , there are aa lot of missing pieces ...Just because we cant explain it today does not mean we won't be able to do so 100 years from now. A lot of wars happened...civilizations were wiped out...all evidence of progress in the field of science may have been lost...who knows if we are rediscovering things that ancient civilizations were familiar with.