Mariam Uz Zamani-Pt1- Updt-MUZ-P39+Padshah Begum-P40+Salim and MUZ-P46 - Page 38

Originally posted by: history_geek

Thank You buddy. 😊
I am transferring your question on this thread as this relates to MUZ. So, here is my comment.


1.
Hamida Banu Begum was/can NOT be against MUZ, as she was from a Sufi BackGround, hence secular. Abu'l Fazl has credited her to be an inheriter of the visionary blood of her great grand father, who was a great seer. Infact, Akbar got this Divine Vision from Hamida Bano Begum.


2.
She was known for her "Secular Nature" and so - the point that she can be against Jodha on the basis of religion can NOT be true. This is a simple fact.


3.
She, was given aid by the Hindu Rajput ruler, Veersal / Beersal, in Umerkot and Akbar was born there. She stayed with them. Even, prayers were done for Akbar in the temple of that ruler.


4.
It would NOT have been possible for MUZ to get so much power / hold / respect in Mughal Court / Akbar's Life, had Hamida Banu been against her . 😊


5.
And as mentioned on previous page by a member , about a 'HIGHLY reliable author' , William Dalrymple. This man is the founder member of the Jaipur Literature Festival. And, 2 years back was also the speaker at the Karachi Literature Festival. Sorry, for going off-topic, but i have read some excerpts from this author's works, and it's truly commendable. So, mentioned him. 👏

If Hamida Bano, has asked for HER copy of Ramayana(A Hindu Religious Scripture) even while breathing her last. What this shows.?. 😊


6.
After 6 days of the birth of Shah Jahan, he was given the name "Khurram" meaning the 'joyous' one. This "Naamkaran Sanskar" or the "Naming Ceremony", was done after the Hindu Rajput ritual called "Chatthi". And, Hamida Bano was VERY much a part of this event.


7.
More can be seen on this Link. This LINK speaks a LOT about the Divine visions:
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/101640341


8.
I am quoting these religious points, "ONLY" to show Hamida Bano's secular nature, so as to dispel your doubts, as you questioned if she was against MUZ due to her being a Hindu. 😊


9.
BEWARE of the sources(if any) which say Hamida Bano as being indifferent to MUZ or against Hindus. 😳 She was a chaste, innocent and highly secular lady. And, we have MANY incidents for the same.


10.
There are EVEN instances where she supported MUZ, one being after the Chittor massacre. (Will post on this later.)


Conclusion:

If Hamida Bano Begum was NOT having any such issue, why would Jiji Anga have any issues. Jiji Anga was very close to Akbar's heart. After Jiji Anga's death Akbar shaved his head. And, he shaved his head the other time after death of his own mother Hamida Bano.

BTW, Man Singh and Jiji Anga's son Mirza Aziz Koka, were ALSO on good terms. 😉

Abhay TFS - so in JA the depiction of HB is very accurate.
I am glad we will get to see someone new who did NOT plot against Akbar in JA soon 😆

Originally posted by: MaddyO

Abhay TFS - so in JA the depiction of HB is very accurate.
I am glad we will get to see someone new who did NOT plot against Akbar in JA soon 😆

Thanks Abhay

thr was a post stating dat akbar aftr marrying jodha in 1562 dint gt into any marriage alliance tl 1570. in 1570 he married sm rajput princess . is ths really true dat he dint marry any1 durng ths period?

Originally posted by: history_geek

Thank You buddy. 😊
I am transferring your question on this thread as this relates to MUZ. So, here is my comment.


1.
Hamida Banu Begum was/can NOT be against MUZ, as she was from a Sufi BackGround, hence secular. Abu'l Fazl has credited her to be an inheriter of the visionary blood of her great grand father, who was a great seer. Infact, Akbar got this Divine Vision from Hamida Bano Begum.


2.
She was known for her "Secular Nature" and so - the point that she can be against Jodha on the basis of religion can NOT be true. This is a simple fact.


3.
She, was given aid by the Hindu Rajput ruler, Veersal / Beersal, in Umerkot and Akbar was born there. She stayed with them. Even, prayers were done for Akbar in the temple of that ruler.


4.
It would NOT have been possible for MUZ to get so much power / hold / respect in Mughal Court / Akbar's Life, had Hamida Banu been against her . 😊


5.
And as mentioned on previous page by a member , about a 'HIGHLY reliable author' , William Dalrymple. This man is the founder member of the Jaipur Literature Festival. And, 2 years back was also the speaker at the Karachi Literature Festival. Sorry, for going off-topic, but i have read some excerpts from this author's works, and it's truly commendable. So, mentioned him. 👏

If Hamida Bano, has asked for HER copy of Ramayana(A Hindu Religious Scripture) even while breathing her last. What this shows.?. 😊


6.
After 6 days of the birth of Shah Jahan, he was given the name "Khurram" meaning the 'joyous' one. This "Naamkaran Sanskar" or the "Naming Ceremony", was done after the Hindu Rajput ritual called "Chatthi". And, Hamida Bano was VERY much a part of this event.


7.
More can be seen on this Link. This LINK speaks a LOT about the Divine visions:
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/101640341


8.
I am quoting these religious points, "ONLY" to show Hamida Bano's secular nature, so as to dispel your doubts, as you questioned if she was against MUZ due to her being a Hindu. 😊


9.
BEWARE of the sources(if any) which say Hamida Bano as being indifferent to MUZ or against Hindus. 😳 She was a chaste, innocent and highly secular lady. And, we have MANY incidents for the same.


10.
There are EVEN instances where she supported MUZ, one being after the Chittor massacre. (Will post on this later.)


Conclusion:

If Hamida Bano Begum was NOT having any such issue, why would Jiji Anga have any issues. Jiji Anga was very close to Akbar's heart. After Jiji Anga's death Akbar shaved his head. And, he shaved his head the other time after death of his own mother Hamida Bano.

BTW, Man Singh and Jiji Anga's son Mirza Aziz Koka, were ALSO on good terms. 😉

il b anxiously waitng 4 update on chittor n want to know how jodha reactd to ths massacre dn by hr husband wr he crosd the limits of barbarism

Abhay I just love reading this thread whenever I get upset from negative ost on forum only thread makes me happy is this
it remind me that I am watching the mega gramd love of akdha

Originally posted by: nabiii

@abhay: its just my curiosity..if u want to give ans then u give it..
Had MUZ converted into Din-E-Ilahi religion? Was it 1 of the reasons behind her grave after her death?
N if u have already mentioned this in ur discusion then give me the link where u have posted it.

Nabiii,

For Din-e-Illahi, i won't use the word religion, but say that it was the "real order" of Sufi type.

See this Old link:
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/99825548

MUZ's grave has NO connection with this. This was a new order on Sufi Lines. There was no scripture, no priests, no place of worship and no ceremonies except for initiation. Hence, there is no evidence which says it to be a religion, but a "new order" only. Abu'l Fazl and Badayuni used the word Tauhid-e-Illahi for this, meaning "Divine Monotheism".

I have not found any royal lady's name , who followed this order. If i get will update here.
Following are the DOCUMENTED names of the people connected with the royalty who followed this "new order".

19. Jahangir

Originally posted by: history_geek

Nabiii,

For Din-e-Illahi, i won't use the word religion, but say that it was the "real order" of Sufi type.

See this Old link:
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/99825548

MUZ's grave has NO connection with this. This was a new order on Sufi Lines. There was no scripture, no priests, no place of worship and no ceremonies except for initiation. Hence, there is no evidence which says it to be a religion, but a "new order" only. Abu'l Fazl and Badayuni used the word Tauhid-e-Illahi for this, meaning "Divine Monotheism".

I have not found any royal lady's name , who followed this order. If i get will update here.
Following are the DOCUMENTED names of the people connected with the royalty who followed this "new order".

1.
Shaikh Mubarak

2.
Shaikh Faizi

3.
Jafar Beg

4.
Qasim Kahi

5.
Abul Fazl

6.
Azam Khan

7.
Abdus Samad

8.
Mulla Shah Muhammad Shahadad

9.
Sufi Ahmad

10.
Mir Sharif Amal

11.
Sultan Khwaja

12.
Mirza Jani Thatta

13.
Taki Shustar

14.
Shaikhzada Gosla Benarasi

15.
Sadar Jahan

16.
Sadar Jahan's first son

17.
Sadar Jahan's second son

18.
Birbal

19. Jahangir

thank u so much. Largely prior i read in a book Akbar had done implementation new religion Din-E-Ilahi in his empire..well, now its clarified to me.

Originally posted by: MaddyO

Abhay TFS - so in JA the depiction of HB is very accurate.
I am glad we will get to see someone new who did NOT plot against Akbar in JA soon 😆

WANTING TO KNOW ABOUT THE CHILDREN OF AKBAR
ONLY KNOW ABOUT MURAD DANIYAL AND SALIM WANTED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THEM AND OTHER CHILDREN IF HE HAD ANY
DID HE HAVE ANY LOVING SISter OTHER THAN BAKSHI ?????????????

I am here again with usual big thank u😃 and Ela. I saw the link which was wonderful n made me traval back in time. Now I really regret having gone to sikri, n not connecting to the place emotioally.😭 Recently I had been to Belur n Halebidu in Karnataka where i cud connect to the place, as i knew the history.Anyways, hope to visit all those places of Ak- JO after watching the serial😊