Mughals - JA(REAL) is not Fiction-Pt4 - Author/TM's note on Pg1 and 91 - Page 31

Originally posted by: history_geek

Maddy, you always have questions ready.😆.

Are you asking history of "sari" .😕.?

But, i have read something that 'sari' was "invented" by the wife of Chandragupta Maurya named Helen. She was the daughter of Greek general Seleucus Nector, one of Alexander's generals. Alexander returned back from India around 325 B.C. , giving in charge of the territories of North-West India upto river Indus, provinces of Baluchistan, etc. to Seleucus. He married his daughter to Chandragupta.

Now, it is said that, she used to wear her Greek chiton/shiffon (?. i don't know more😕.?) around her waist and then took over around her shoulder. So, this style of 'sari' is much more matching to the present style of sari wearing. So, credit is given to her.

My personal thought.. (common sense.! )

Till now i have developed a very strong perception that, the Europeans and other historians, have tried to give more credit to themselves for ALMOST everything. Example: Take achievements of Aryabhatta in Maths, the invention of number system, the first surgery performed by Charaka.. Many examples are there from history. They are not credited or less acknowledged for these feats...

Regarding 'sari', i think before Helen also women must be wearing sari only. May be Helen's dressing style matched with modern dressing . So, she got the credit.! Also, we have some statues showing same dressing style, from the Gandhara School of Art, which developed later.

Another one-->, In Belan Valley, near Allahabad, U.P., India(Indus-Valley Civilization), evidences of earliest rice cultivation were found, dating back to 5500 B.C. . But, the historians did not agree to it.😆...And, hence, China holds the tag for earliest rice cultivation..!.. (if u want search yourself, u will understand i am saying truth only.😆.)

I think till now you must have got to know, atleast, what havoc has been wrecked on history on MUZ by some biased historians/fanatics (don't forget Aurangzeb). And, yes history is something not different from POLITICS.😉
I am just sharing mine, lizzy's and KDR81's experience with you. Coz we have read a lot. And, after reading only you will BELIEVE how easily facts can be twisted. Some examples are in this answer only..

As for Jodha/Hindu Begum, i feel i gave a very nice explanation on page-1 of this thread, about some 'ghagra' type of dress..!..You may read once more that post. You all have made me less of a science major, and more a history student.!..

BTW, handling this 'sari' department is not my domain.😉.😆. KDR81 will answer better..?.?

Originally posted by: MaddyO

Abhay, well now how can ANYBODY not have more questions reading your posts, they make us think and you should agree that leads to more questions

I trust you, Kamal are telling the truth, that is why ask so many questions! One goes where they are sure of getting authentic answers

I am sure 'sari' existed all over ancient India only the length and draping style was different
The way Helen draped it like you said, they used to call them 'Toga's' used from since Julius Ceaser's times (or before)

I just wondered if your archives have also mention of 'sari' since Mugals lived in Agra (not Rajasthan) it is possible Hindu women there wore saris.

Now can I help if my reply lead to somebody else asking another question?!!!😉

Originally posted by: KDR81

Hello Maddy,
See how Abhay "Phasaoed " me in the folds of "Sari" ..!!😆 Anyways, I agree with ur guess ...yes , Sari did exist before Helen , but only in different Avatar...!!

However,the Western India was not much into Sari...They had their Ghagra as their main attire...So Jodha/HK wearing Sari is not a known instance...

But they did import clothing material from Bengal and South India...After all, these two areas were famous for their fabrics...(Linen, Malmal,Musleen, Kaanjivarams/similar heavy ornamental fabrics , Deccan, Burhanpur or Hyderabad Cotton etc).
In fact Akbar and his Son Jahangir were known for their love of textiles of different fashions. They used fashionable "Jama"s made with these fancy materials...😊

Hope ur question is somewhat answered.

Regards,
Kamal

Originally posted by: MaddyO

Line in blue😃😆
Thanks for the reply, I think Ghagara was main attire for Gujrath, Rajasthan regions but other Western Southern region states only wore saris even in ancient days, for example 9 yard saris in Maharashtra, in South they use different draping style but similar long materials

I guess with approaching summer we might get to see Jodha Jalal in fashionable different attires - for those days😃😃

Originally posted by: MaddyO

Abhay & Kamal

I think your threads should be moved to front page of the JA forum with those permanent threads on page 1

You can make cover page kind with giving links to all your threads,then go on adding new thread links

They deserve to be read by everybody.

Here the forum activity is so good that in 10-15 mins gets pushed to 2nd/3rd page and sometimes reply posted also gets missed

I don't know how it can be done, maybe old timers here can help

Originally posted by: justlovetv

history geek and kdr81, I just love the information you guys post! Very factual and true! Anyways I had a question with respect to Akbar, Maansingh and Bhagwant Das. I was on Wikipedia yesterday and I happened to read that there were problems between the three regarding the acceptance of Din-e-Ilahi. Is it true that Maansingh and Bhagwant Das refused to accept the religion and there were problems regarding that?

Originally posted by: history_geek

Thanx buddy.😊

First, would like to inform you that we are highly skeptical of the matter on wikipedia/Internet/Digital domain. So, informing you to use it carefully.😊

About your question,
First, a correction, It was NOT Din-i-llahi originally , but Tauhid-i-llahi.

Tauhid-i-llahi means Divine Monotheism. Abul Fazl and Badayuni have used this word only in the accounts. After Akbar's death, after 80 years, the word Tauhid was replaced by Din.

{Guys, P.S., this "change" again occured during reign of Aurangzeb..!🥱..(another example.!.)}

Din means faith. Tauhid-i-llahi, was the "real order" of Sufi type. Now, meaning changed to Divine Faith. Earlier, it was Divine Monotheism. So, it was not called a 'faith' initially. !

Yes, Bhagwan Das and Man Singh, did not gave acceptance for this "new path" . Bhagwan Das said i know only 2 creeds - Hindus and Mussalmans,and did not accept. Man Singh was invited, but could/did not attend.
There was NO deterioration in their relations due to this. 😊

P.S. ---> I have not used the word "religion" for this..