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Posted: 13 years ago
#61

Originally posted by: Samanalyse

Woah, that is a controversial discussion that you have started. But I like it and I think it is an interesting question.

To be honest, I think the problem is much, much bigger than Isha's participation on the show and her clear advantage over the other contestants. The truth of the matter is that Isha is much more qualified to be a judge than Karan Johar, or even Madhuri because she actually knows dance, she has studied it and if you'll forgive me the cliche, she has lived it. So what is she doing as a contestant on a show where she is not even really competing (considering she is at a completely different level than all the other contestants)?

I am a classical dancer and I also study India's dance history, so I know of Isha, and of her mother Daksha Seth and let me tell you, they are huge names on the contemporary dance scene. Her mother is one of the front runners of contemporary dance in India. But the problem is, that these people get no exposure in the mainstream. What you see from Isha on the show is the tip of the iceberg but alas, nobody knows of her her full length performances so she has to come on a glitzy dance reality show, "compete" with people who are just learning the ABCs of professional dancing and do 3 minute acts to make herself and her art known. In fact, most dancers of her calibre would probably say that Isha is selling herself short by being on a show like this. But what to do? Artists need their daily bread and Isha is taking this chance to both give people a glimpse of the talent present in this country and make some good money; I cannot fault her for it one bit.

Isha is amazing technically, yes, but again she is just one of the amazing dancers in this country. This is why I find it unfair to really compare her with the other contestants and frankly pretty insulting that she is being judged by the likes of Karan Johar who has no clue what he is talking about. But such is the fate of the arts in our country, where a director who knows nothing about dance, and an actress who was naturally talented at dancing, alongside her acting, are judging a professional dancer who has dedicated her life to dance. You tell me if that is fair.

Finally, Remo's comment that Isha's performances look "international" made me change the channel out of sheer rage and frustration. Yes, Remo, if talented and dedicated dancers in India were given the support to do nothing but dance, and if they were given funding to realise their vision, it would indeed look "international."

This show has been an eye-opener for me in terms of how the general public looks at dance in this country and I have to say I am appalled that everyone is so surprised at how good Isha is, considering how well known she is in the dance field and how many I have seen just as talented as her, but also happy that she is at least exposing the kind of talent that exists. There are lots of Ishas out there and if we would only take a moment to understand and respect the richness of the art that exists in our country, we wouldn't be so excited when something looked "international."


Your post left me speechless. I had no idea that Isha is such a well-known dancer in the dance world. And there are so many other talented dancers like Isha. It's a shame that such great talents in India never got their due. And you say that yesterday's performance was just the tip of the iceberg😲OMG now I want to know more about her dance and want to see more of it. It's really sad that talented people like them never got the recognition they deserve and are being judged by people like KJo who doesn't even deserve to stand in the same stage as Isha. Isha should have been the third judge alongwith Madhuri and Remo. It's really an insult to her talent that she is competing with some random guys/gals. She deserves to sit in the judges panel.
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Posted: 13 years ago
#62

Originally posted by: cutiee1992



This is what exactly I am trying to say but members here are accusing that I am gc fan so making excuses. It is not just him but others are working hard too and then when they get 30 so members say they don't deserve it as only isha. Deserves it... how can we compare her with others who are non-trained dancers?? Just because they took some classes doesn't mean they were trained in it like isha. And judges said isha-salman work hard e most but what about the others who don't even know dancing and actually have to work hard ??


Dear, even I am taken as GC drooler..lolz..but never mind..😆
But Truth is truth...I agree with you
That one line by Remo that you are best Isha-Salman coz you are working most hard...she is professional that's why Salman has ease to choreograph on her anything coz he knows she can pull it off. But others who are just learning basics, even they don't know sometimes the dance form's name, they can't get the songs meaning(Shibani), they are the ones who are working hard. Coz they in a week time understands the dance form, learn it and perform it. If they lack somewhere or they seen faded in front of Isha, then let them be at par once, then compare...

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: cutiee1992



This is what exactly I am trying to say but members here are accusing that I am gc fan so making excuses. It is not just him but others are working hard too and then when they get 30 so members say they don't deserve it as only isha. Deserves it... how can we compare her with others who are non-trained dancers?? Just because they took some classes doesn't mean they were trained in it like isha. And judges said isha-salman work hard e most but what about the others who don't even know dancing and actually have to work hard ??[/QUO


No other JDJ season has a contestant like Isha. Just think about first season Mona or last season Chang but they had also no comparison with Isha. But they received 30/30 in several times. But when GC received 30/30 then people are saying that he doesnt deserve 30. Then my question was where was those people when Mona, Prachi, Chang received 30/30 several times. Why people has only problem if GC get 30/30. This is only because he is competing with Isha? I am just comparing GC's performance with the last seasons winner and I believe his performance is really very good and he deserves what he is getting.

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Posted: 13 years ago
#64

Originally posted by: ..Amour..

I am speechless..👏
When Remo said her "International yesterday, she is international. It wasn't something compliment. She excels at what she does!! It's not her hard-work at JDJ only which is paying off, it's her intense training and HARD-WORK for many years in dance, which is paying off. There are indeed dancers like her in India who can't even find a good school for learning. She is not the one for whom JDJ platform was made. She is beyond and bigger. Yeah she needs to sell this and she is!! Good for her!! KJO is appreciating her talent now, where was he when she did Kisna and make me adore her. Any dance lover can never forget Kisna!! She found a platform in morph of JDJ to make audience see that I am the best. Really happy for her..
But what about others??? They can't sell them( Don't get it rude) coz they are nothing if we see them in front of Isha. A competition can be between two par performers but not between a heavy weight and middle weight(metaphor😆).


Actually Isha deserves to be in the judges panel. Madhuri and Remo know about dance and the forms but Kjo what is he doing there? Nothing. I think it should have been Isha judging and not Kjo. Bringing in Isha as a contestant is like insulting her talent😳 And when KJO apologized to Isha for not seeing her talent before, she deserved that apology. MAking her compete with contestants who aren't on the same level as her is an insult to her talent.

PS: Sorry for being rude to you in the other thread😳I was all heated up then.
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Posted: 13 years ago
#65

Originally posted by: Samanalyse

Woah, that is a controversial discussion that you have started. But I like it and I think it is an interesting question.


This show has been an eye-opener for me in terms of how the general public looks at dance in this country and I have to say I am appalled that everyone is so surprised at how good Isha is, considering how well known she is in the dance field and how many I have seen just as talented as her, but also happy that she is at least exposing the kind of talent that exists. There are lots of Ishas out there and if we would only take a moment to understand and respect the richness of the art that exists in our country, we wouldn't be so excited when something looked "international."


I have edited your post for the length of quote.. 😊

The problem with Isha was that she was known only in her own field. She acted in couple of movies but they were not blockbusters that everyone would know about her talent. I am sure there are many more great dancers out there whom we are completely unaware of. And that's why I am thankful to the channel that they gave Isha a chance to let her talent speak for itself... I am sure many more people know about her abilities now than before she came on JDJ.

And I didn't like that "international" word Remo used👎🏼.. something great or mindblowing doesn't always have to be "international"
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Posted: 13 years ago
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And we all are talking about Isha, Jayati, GC as if they are the only contestants on the show.. there are people like Sanath, Susheel and Archana or Talat. Who have never shaken a leg in their whole life.. now putting them against Jayati (18 years training), GC (4 months training) or Darsheel (training under Shaimak)... do you think it's fair? So now who are we left with? The likes of Susheel and Sanath.. what will be the quality of the show then??
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Posted: 13 years ago
#67

Originally posted by: SimarikSmokin

Hi guys

I can understand of many salman fans get offended but this is merely my opinion. Jhalak is a dance show for people who can't dance! So being trained in martial acts and other gymnast isn't fair for the itrr contestant who aren't. Salman uses ishas abilities to get thR scores. Yes their dances are good but what about the other contestant who did an amazing job? Jayati and Bharti are two constant I. Females I am rooting for and the males gurmeet. I found gias performance really embedding thi week she made a fool of herself I had to forward because I felt embarrassed! Again this was my opinion! Who else agrees that ISha is overhyped this season??

Isha is a mindblowing dancer. There is no doubt about it. But something that bothers me is how it doesn't seem fair that a trained dancer is in a competition with untrained dancers.
One cannot deny that it gives her a strong advantage and she'll most likely win, in the end. Yes, if this was Dance India Dance or something of that sort, then I wouldn't be bothered. But Jhalak makes a dancer out of non-dancers. Meaning, people like Susheel, Bharti, Shibani, Ravi, etc., are what the show's about. They're non-dancers, not trained, and you see them improve from episode to episode.
Isha seems misplaced on this specific show. She's so skilled that she should've been on DID rather than JDJ. She would've gotten better competition there, been challenged, and truly challenged.
I dunno. She was brilliant in the horror performance. But I do feel that the judges are a bit biased. They clearly have favorites. I don't really care who wins, in the end, but it's kinda annoying that the competition isn't fair. The improvement other contestants make is overshadowed by Isha's perfect consistency in professional dancing.
Just my POV. No bashing intended.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: purva

And we all are talking about Isha, Jayati, GC as if they are the only contestants on the show.. there are people like Sanath, Susheel and Archana or Talat. Who have never shaken a leg in their whole life.. now putting them against Jayati (18 years training), GC (4 months training) or Darsheel (training under Shaimak)... do you think it's fair? So now who are we left with? The likes of Susheel and Sanath.. what will be the quality of the show then??


OMG save us from contestants like Susheel and Sanath. Then JDJ will look more like a circus instead of a dance competition.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: chocobear


Actually Isha deserves to be in the judges panel. Madhuri and Remo know about dance and the forms but Kjo what is he doing there? Nothing. I think it should have been Isha judging and not Kjo. Bringing in Isha as a contestant is like insulting her talent😳 And when KJO apologized to Isha for not seeing her talent before, she deserved that apology. MAking her compete with contestants who aren't on the same level as her is an insult to her talent.

PS: Sorry for being rude to you in the other thread😳I was all heated up then.


Hey it's okay dear..no grudges...🤗
She is one Girl I will compare to Shakti Mohan...she is equally excellent. Shakti got fame due to DID and her talent is recognized. Today she is representing India in NY...
Isha too deserve that fame and recognition...she is one known face at international level but it is a shame that she is one wonder for Indians till now...she deserved this love way back..
And KJO...lolz..he is not even qualified for that seat...Judging Isha by him is an insult of dance..he could adore her but can never judge her..
And dear, one more thing, don't you think, for other contestants, it is quite unfair to compete with her. If they aren't that trained, it's not their mistake...JDJ wasn't the platform for Isha, it's for the ones who are not Isha at this time..!! They all are doing equal hard-work but Remo's comment made them burry last night...They are exploring the difficult side, and that can't be taken off from them. 😊

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: chocobear


OMG save us from contestants like Susheel and Sanath. Then JDJ will look more like a circus instead of a dance competition.


Exactly.. makers have to sell their show in the end so I would say thank god for few trained contestants that the show is worth watching. Now who are we to decide what level of training is acceptable and what not.. it's channel's call😛 they invited Isha.. so she is there fair and square 😃

And where does it say that this show is about non-dancers learning to dance?? The show tag line is "dancing with the stars".. not "dancing with the non-dancing star"😕

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