Overhype of salman and ISha! [DT note Pg. 16] - Page 6

Originally posted by: ..Amour..

I am not telling what to discuss here...As I have put my POV, any other has right to do so...but don't you think..every POV with a tag of GC ended up in no way out...it's like we think there are two contenders only...😳
What is the meaning of discussion if I started talking about pasta and ended with biryani...at least we can stick to the motive of thread for which it is started...😊
Pure debate and factual discussions can be appreciated too..😊

Originally posted by: purva

It's not pasta-biryani discussion here.. TM started the post saying Isha being trained dancer and people are saying GC is also trained dancer.. it's still same topic 😊 and it's not just GC and Isha.. if you read the whole topic; people are talking about Jayati and Darsheel being trained also. Completely within the subject of this thread 😛

Originally posted by: ..Amour..

Oh Jeez!! It was a metaphor dear...😆
when I said, that you particularly is not sticking to the topic..if you can generalize whole thread and represent them then say about it...I never have said that Purva is dragging someone particular here...If you took it from my post then lemme inform you it wasn't for you..happy!!😊

Originally posted by: purva

Then what do you think I am using "pasta-biryani" as??? I am also using it as metaphor.. it's not a cookery forum that much I know 😆😆

I am saying it's pasta-pasta discussion(using as metaphor) as the topic is still same "trained dancers" so everyone saying so and so is a trained dancer is justified 😛 and i know that it was not particularly written for me.. but you had made a general statement about why GC is brought into this and that statement does apply to everyone including me. So I answered 😊

Originally posted by: ..Amour..

<font color="#000000" face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Jeez!! First of all please for God damn sake, Stop dragging the ones who needs not to be discussed here. If topic maker has put her POV, then it doesn't made her GC fan. Why the hell even GC is here. It's really one good discussion topic. Let it be!!
First of all, I won't say that Isha-Salman is over hyped. They get praise coz they deserve it. Their performance was sheer excellence. BUt Isha Sharavani being in a show which was meant to be for not so good dancers and for the ones who are not professionals in dancing is unfair.
Any other celebrity whether he/she is trained or not, has not opt Dancing his/her career whereas Isha is one professional dancer. There is no meaning of bringing her in a show like JDJ which is about learning and shining. When Remo said, they are the best coz they do most hard-work. Not true!! Isha is one professional contemporary dancer and it is quite easy for her to pull off these kind of dance forms without any problem. Salman is one lucky guy to have her as co-artist. As per her biography:
Isha has been at the forefront of contemporary Indian dance for over a decade and is considered to be the leading aerial dancer in India today.She has trained for over 15 years in Kathak, Chau, Kalaripayattu, Yoga, Rope and Pole Mallakhamb.
Isha's parents founded an arts school calledAcademy for Art Research, Training and Innovation(AARTI) in Trivandrum, Kerala where she lived for 13–14 years. At the age of thirteen, she began formal learning in dance from her mother Daksha Sheth at her dance school and learned Kalaripayattu,KathakandChhau danceas well as giving performances in twenty-two countries over last seven years.

Now compare this much experience with other celebs dance experience and knowledge. What others are doing in this show. I love Shibani for rising from toe to tip. She is one who is putting most efforts I think. She doesn't know Hindi, she has no experience of dancing, still she is somewhere so near to surpass excellence. I am counting on her. And Bharti, she is the one who is doing hard-work. Along with Isha, everyone is doing their quotas. None of them is lacking in putting hard work. But the difference we see in level is because of backgrounds. Isha is one maestro of dance as equivalent to any professional dancer. And others are just started taking dance professionally..
I strongly think that lining Isha with other stars is totally wrong and unfair. This show can never see sheer brilliance coz one girl will always dominate it coz of her</font> dance knowledge.

Originally posted by: Samanalyse

Woah, that is a controversial discussion that you have started. But I like it and I think it is an interesting question.

To be honest, I think the problem is much, much bigger than Isha's participation on the show and her clear advantage over the other contestants. The truth of the matter is that Isha is much more qualified to be a judge than Karan Johar, or even Madhuri because she actually knows dance, she has studied it and if you'll forgive me the cliche, she has lived it. So what is she doing as a contestant on a show where she is not even really competing (considering she is at a completely different level than all the other contestants)?

I am a classical dancer and I also study India's dance history, so I know of Isha, and of her mother Daksha Seth and let me tell you, they are huge names on the contemporary dance scene. Her mother is one of the front runners of contemporary dance in India. But the problem is, that these people get no exposure in the mainstream. What you see from Isha on the show is the tip of the iceberg but alas, nobody knows of her her full length performances so she has to come on a glitzy dance reality show, "compete" with people who are just learning the ABCs of professional dancing and do 3 minute acts to make herself and her art known. In fact, most dancers of her calibre would probably say that Isha is selling herself short by being on a show like this. But what to do? Artists need their daily bread and Isha is taking this chance to both give people a glimpse of the talent present in this country and make some good money; I cannot fault her for it one bit.

Isha is amazing technically, yes, but again she is just one of the amazing dancers in this country. This is why I find it unfair to really compare her with the other contestants and frankly pretty insulting that she is being judged by the likes of Karan Johar who has no clue what he is talking about. But such is the fate of the arts in our country, where a director who knows nothing about dance, and an actress who was naturally talented at dancing, alongside her acting, are judging a professional dancer who has dedicated her life to dance. You tell me if that is fair.

Finally, Remo's comment that Isha's performances look "international" made me change the channel out of sheer rage and frustration. Yes, Remo, if talented and dedicated dancers in India were given the support to do nothing but dance, and if they were given funding to realise their vision, it would indeed look "international."

This show has been an eye-opener for me in terms of how the general public looks at dance in this country and I have to say I am appalled that everyone is so surprised at how good Isha is, considering how well known she is in the dance field and how many I have seen just as talented as her, but also happy that she is at least exposing the kind of talent that exists. There are lots of Ishas out there and if we would only take a moment to understand and respect the richness of the art that exists in our country, we wouldn't be so excited when something looked "international."

Originally posted by: Samanalyse

Woah, that is a controversial discussion that you have started. But I like it and I think it is an interesting question.

To be honest, I think the problem is much, much bigger than Isha's participation on the show and her clear advantage over the other contestants. The truth of the matter is that Isha is much more qualified to be a judge than Karan Johar, or even Madhuri because she actually knows dance, she has studied it and if you'll forgive me the cliche, she has lived it. So what is she doing as a contestant on a show where she is not even really competing (considering she is at a completely different level than all the other contestants)?

I am a classical dancer and I also study India's dance history, so I know of Isha, and of her mother Daksha Seth and let me tell you, they are huge names on the contemporary dance scene. Her mother is one of the front runners of contemporary dance in India. But the problem is, that these people get no exposure in the mainstream. What you see from Isha on the show is the tip of the iceberg but alas, nobody knows of her her full length performances so she has to come on a glitzy dance reality show, "compete" with people who are just learning the ABCs of professional dancing and do 3 minute acts to make herself and her art known. In fact, most dancers of her calibre would probably say that Isha is selling herself short by being on a show like this. But what to do? Artists need their daily bread and Isha is taking this chance to both give people a glimpse of the talent present in this country and make some good money; I cannot fault her for it one bit.

Isha is amazing technically, yes, but again she is just one of the amazing dancers in this country. This is why I find it unfair to really compare her with the other contestants and frankly pretty insulting that she is being judged by the likes of Karan Johar who has no clue what he is talking about. But such is the fate of the arts in our country, where a director who knows nothing about dance, and an actress who was naturally talented at dancing, alongside her acting, are judging a professional dancer who has dedicated her life to dance. You tell me if that is fair.

Finally, Remo's comment that Isha's performances look "international" made me change the channel out of sheer rage and frustration. Yes, Remo, if talented and dedicated dancers in India were given the support to do nothing but dance, and if they were given funding to realise their vision, it would indeed look "international."

This show has been an eye-opener for me in terms of how the general public looks at dance in this country and I have to say I am appalled that everyone is so surprised at how good Isha is, considering how well known she is in the dance field and how many I have seen just as talented as her, but also happy that she is at least exposing the kind of talent that exists. There are lots of Ishas out there and if we would only take a moment to understand and respect the richness of the art that exists in our country, we wouldn't be so excited when something looked "international."