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Posted: 8 years ago
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Anjali's relationship with Shyam:

Why does she worship Shyam? She thought she was unlucky because she lost both parents suddenly, lost shelter, ended up with a broken wedding and nursing a physical disability. That is why she considers Shyam as god for accepting her in his life and worships him. She took Nani, Mama, Mami, Arnav and Akash's love for granted. She showed concern towards these people and tried to pacify everybody. If pacification is an indication of goodness, then the end result is an indication of the same person's strength or weakness. She never succeeded in any of these pacifications, so if I call her a weak lady, should I be blamed?

Now let us go back and talk about the 3rd wedding anniversary.

After Shyam pulled that world class Houdini act in front of Gupta sisters, Anjali lets him go. When she herself agreed to let him take care of his friend, why was she upset? What is there to hide?

That was the problem with Anjali. She worships her husband too much that she can't say no to him. At the same time she wants him to be with her during all these celebrations. This is a contradicting behaviour and she is not strong enough to make up her mind one way or the other.

Whenever Shyam is not with her during a Puja or a celebration, she gets upset, gets on the bed, cries and lets the Raizadas mollycoddle her.

After Shyam returns, she pouts a bit and simply tells him that she has no problem with his disappearing act or promise breaking act or whatever other acts he perform. On top of that she thinks he can fix every other problem the family is facing. She even handed him the problem of Chote's love life. What the...?

She never follows up on what Shyam says. This is not called mistrust. This is called keeping in touch. The guy said his friend had an accident and that friend has no one else to take care of him. What happened to that friend? There was a Faridabad wali Buaji. What happened to her? Why didn't Anjali meet this Buaji or talk to her on the phone even once?

Is it because, she has a rich brother who adores her and a family who pampers her and she has no time for Shyam's friends and relatives?

Shyam said he is getting a house built for them to live separately. If I am not wrong, she even selected some accessories for the house. Why didn't she show interest in seeing the layout or finding the location?

Is it because, currently she is living in one of the most prestigious mansions in the country and she has no interest in an inexpensive house?

She said on various occasions that Shyam is working very hard to take care of her. How did she come to that conclusion? Of course she also reiterated that she does not want anything from him apart from his love. These two statements contradict each other and make her confused anyway 😊

She never had to check how much he is earning because, her brother deposits money every month in her bank accounts. Her personal account takes care of her needs, so, she doesn't even bother to check the joint account. So, obviously she does not know that her husband is drawing money every month from the joint account. If it makes her a good wife for not pestering her husband for money, it definitely makes her a bad sister for not checking her own accounts and own credit card transactions, where her brother transfers his hard earned money on a monthly basis.

While claiming that Shyam is working very hard to earn money to look after her, Anjali writes cheques for his expenses including, a gift he bought for her on their 4th wedding anniversary (??????????????????) I have to elaborate this incident. He gifts her a chain. She says it is beautiful and he says he will do anything for her including spending all his income and savings to buy a gift for her. She checks the price and reprimands him for spending all his hard earned money on her and writes a check for 5 lakh rupees. She cannot see her husband spending his hard earned money on her, but she can happily spend her brother's hard earned money on her and more importantly, can add a tip of 2 lakh rupees too! 😊. What does that tell you? She thinks, it is Arnav's responsibility to take care of her and not Shyam's or when Arnav is there to take care of her expenses, there is no need for Shyam to worry or Anjali does not want her husband to work very hard to take care of her luxurious life style, because, she has already outsourced that job to Arnav?

On one occasion, Shyam said, he used up his credit card to the maximum limit to buy stuff for their unborn Rajkumari. What did he buy and where did he keep them? Doesn't he live with her in the same house? Did she think that a wooden cradle and a bunch of flowers will cost a leg and an arm or was she just happy that he bought stuff and never cared about what he bought, the way she never cared about the baby once she had the miscarriage?

Continued in the next post...

Edited by Savera84 - 8 years ago
Posted: 8 years ago
#12

Lucky last Part1:

Let us go back to "you lied to me Chote" debacle. Sorry, not yet. The one before that.

The day after Shyam was kicked out and when all the good for nothing Raizadas conveniently disappeared from the scene of crime, I mean Anjali's room, Khushi was left with no choice but to attend Anjali and ask her to eat breakfast, she told Anjali to take care of herself and the baby and forget about Shyam.

Anjali got upset and wanted to get rid of the baby instead. The lady who is so weak and fragile with all the crying she did, just took an auto and went to the hospital to get the baby aborted. I groaned but, fine!Arnav reached there in the nick of time and re assured her that he will take care of her and the baby. Even though it was a given, she still needed re assurance. Grrr... Fine again!

What she said during that confrontation made me cringe. She said, she is alone (what happened to the Raizada clan, who were taking care of her until then?) and her baby is also alone (what happened to mother Anjali?) in this world. She does not want the baby, because, no one will love the baby and no one will take care of the baby because Shyam is the father (what??????????????) and the baby will remind her of her husband and all the times she spent with him, who has no respect in the house - as if that baby is related to Shyam and she has nothing to do with it.

After some mollycoddling she came out of her gloom. When she received flowers (I am still wondering, how did she manage to beat a galloping Arnav to the door?), why did she think they were for her and they were from her Shyamji? First of all, the flowers could be for someone else in the house. Secondly, no one spoke nicely about Shyam or no one spoke nastily about Khushi in front of her.

When Arnav said he ordered them, she assumed he ordered them for her and suddenly felt very happy and strong and made kheer for Arnav. Why did she get upset when she found Arnav feeding cake to Khushi? She can dislike Khushi as much as she wants. What made her think Arnav dislikes Khushi too! Arnav supported Khushi two days ago, by throwing Shyam out of Shantivan and got concerned when he could not find Khushi anywhere in the house that same morning, Did he not?

When Arnav says he will be there for his Di, does it automatically imply that he can't be there for his wife or he won't love his wife? Can't he order flowers for Di and feed cake to Khushi?

Her problem is simple. When she is unhappy, how can anyone else, especially Arnav be happy?

This is what some forum members (albeit minority and long before this incident happened) said.

Now let us go to "you lied to me Chote" debacle.

She came through the Kheer incident. Arnav ordered a sari for his wife in front of his Di. So, she had to accept that Arnav has no issues with Khushi. A day or two later, Arnav offered to go to the temple with Anjali. When he was scolding his PA for arranging a meeting in Agra, she herself told him to attend the meeting. She royally ignored that Khushi did not go with them to the temple.

So, there is a chance that Arnav has taken Khushi with him to Agra, right? He even tried, remember? Why would he leave his wife alone, when no one is going to be at home?

So, what was Anjali's problem, when she found a flower carpet (obviously arranged by Arnav) and found Arnav romancing his wife at home?

He said, the meeting got cancelled and he could not reach them on phone, so, he came home early. There was an accident and the family along with Anjali cancelled their temple trip and returned home early too! Then what was that ruckus about?

As far as anyone knows, it is Arnav's house and Khushi is his legally wedded wife.

So, why did she think he has to lie to her to romance with his wife in his own house?

Is there an unwritten rule that he has to take permission from Di to romance with his wife?

Would she have said "you lied to me Chote about your Agra trip" or "you have changed Chote", if he had gone to meet them on the way to the temple, instead of going home to his wife? Or as someone mentioned during the show, if she found Arnav working on his laptop in his room and Khushi cooking in the kitchen?

Continued in the next post...

Edited by Savera84 - 8 years ago
Posted: 8 years ago
#13

Lucky last Part 2:

It is etched in Anjali's mind that she is the only important person in that house and in Arnav's life. Even though she pestered him to get married, she never considered/imagined when he gets married, his wife will get equal importance in his life and when he has kids, he will love them and protect them more than anyone else including his Di. (Don't you think?)

Imagine, Arnav's 1 year old kid while trying to walk, wobbles and falls and his 37 year old Di while rushing down the stairs, trips and falls at the same time, who will Arnav run to catch? It does not matter, whether Anjali Di is happy, sad, sulking or crying, Arnav has to take care of his kid first.

That is why, Anjali still cannot digest the fact that Arnav loves Khushi and gives importance to Khushi.

On a side note, in her dictionary, Arnav ki Saanse rokne wali means just a Saanse rokne wali. She can't have any rights over him, apart from the rights Anjali bestows on the girl such as applying tika on his forehead and feeding Prasad. Anjali will keep the rest of the rights. One example is, when they received a parcel with Arnav's medicines during his mysterious Scotland trip, Anjali happily signed for the package and started walking away until Khushi asked her what it was.

He ordered flowers for Khushi, he celebrated her birthday, fed her cake and ordered a sari for her. Then, suddenly why did kissing Khushi become a crime?

She expected Arnav to apologise for this crime and Arnav being an obedient brother went to her to explain.

What happened to that explanation?

She missed all the important facts and picked only three which emphasises her importance.

She was right about her preaching, he married Khushi for her sake and she is still the most important person in his life.

That is why the next day she wanted him to sit with her and watch baby's sonogram pictures and to accompany her to the clinic. When Nani and Mami offered to go with her, she refused. She wanted only her Chote. When that did not happen, she assumed Chote has completely changed and lied to her again.

And between all these (you lied to me Chote, you have changed Chote) accusations, she royally (sorry for the repetition) hid the fact that Shyam persuaded her to talk to him on the phone and even secretly meeting her around and inside the house too!

You can say that Arnav and Khushi should not have hidden Shyam's reality as soon as they found out. But Anjali's nature of panicking over her husband's wellbeing, will certainly put anybody (even you and me for that matter) off from revealing something negative about Shyam to her. She brought it on herself.

She fell in love with Shyam, convinced her brother and family to get married to him and even when she saw the signs of Shyam's duplicity, she ignored and believed whatever lies he was feeding. On the other hand, she wants explanations from Chote for every single thing he does.

In one of the episodes, Anjali said

Nothing makes a difference to you, no one matters to you and suddenly what did Khushi do to unsettle you?" (we jumped up and down, praised Anjali's sharp thinking and encouraged her)

Two seconds later she said, "I can see the soft and caring Arnav behind the mask of ASR, no matter how much you claim that nothing matters to you, I know some things matter to you and you just do not want to accept". ( we were like wow, bang on Anjali, go for it, make him see the light, well done)

A day or two later, she said, "Chote, please tell me what is bothering you"? (we were like, what is going on?, we thought you figured it out, you are supposed to be Sayanee, aren't you?)

That is Anjali's character in a nutshell.

She recited some beautiful one liners. She never acknowledged when they were practically presented to her and at the end she either ignored or questioned the integrity of the same one liners.

I rest my case.

I know it is abrupt but, it is all I have to say.

The floor is yours if you want.

Phew... Finally it is all done and I am at peace.

Thanks for reading and happy to participate in a healthy discussion.

Namaste

Edited by Savera84 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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you have described anjali after shyam's revelation...and that was the worst phase of anjali...they did butcher her character in many ways...but there was a time when she was not so bad,so intolerable...there was a time when she was not so clueless,she really was attuned to other people's feelings...be it akash's feelings for payal...be it khushi's hurt after arnav shouted at her on his parents' barsi...yes she was late in figuring out arnav's feelings for khushi when she could so easily figure out akash's love for payal...but I attribute that to the creatives' desire of keeping the arnav-khushi dynamics secret for long...still anjali COULD see that khushi was not at all happy with her engagement to her PG shyam.
So yes there was a time when she really could understand people around her.

But of course I do not like the post shyam revelation anjali at all.
Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: JaiJaiIraniMata

you have described anjali after shyam's revelation...and that was the worst phase of anjali...they did butcher her character in many ways...but there was a time when she was not so bad,so intolerable...there was a time when she was not so clueless,she really was attuned to other people's feelings...be it akash's feelings for payal...be it khushi's hurt after arnav shouted at her on his parents' barsi...yes she was late in figuring out arnav's feelings for khushi when she could so easily figure out akash's love for payal...but I attribute that to the creatives' desire of keeping the arnav-khushi dynamics secret for long...still anjali COULD see that khushi was not at all happy with her engagement to her PG shyam.

So yes there was a time when she really could understand people around her.

But of course I do not like the post shyam revelation anjali at all.


Thanks for your comment.
Later parts of my post explains how Anjali behaved clueless and confused way before Shyam's revelation. She was like that from episode one to be precise.
She does not know how Arnav crushed his uncle, but she knows he bought Sheesh Mahal back. She does not know where her husband was at that time, but she knows Arnav organised a fashion show at Sheesh Mahal.
She can travel all the way to Lucknow to pay a surprise visit to Arnav but can never surprise her husband at his office or court.
Khushi was forced to work for Arnav under contract terms , but she rightly resigned her job when she almost lost her life while working for him. In that situation that contract becomes null and void. But out of all people, Anjali used the same contract to blackmail Khushi to train Lavanya. That is why she is not a loving or caring person for me.
Edited by Savera84 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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well for me anjali is week
she was weak
she depended on arnav too much
she lived on his money even though he never cares she should have forced shyam to spend money for themselves and not using arnavs money
especially the drama she did after knowing her husbands character
she was angry when arnav celebrated his wife's bdy which is so selfish
i hate her for that..well only for that otherwise i dont hate her but i dont like her that much too
she was good for nothing character
a weak point of the leads
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Posted: 8 years ago
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disagree on Anjali.
She was a ball of sunshine despite what happened with her, her parents and living with mami and mama.. I liked how positive she was esp in the beginning.

She may not be a in born leader like Arnav but she was a good backbone in terms of giving love, and instilling values, and maintaining traditions.

She did her own chores despite having servants.

Idk like many things Arnav had deeply buried inside himself, I felt that Anjali's insecurity of her own disabilities were some of it. And also her getting a happily ever after despite being disabled and rejected earlier in life was also part of it Her dream to have a family of her own, cos her parents didnt have a happy one.

She became clingy to Shyam cos he gave her love knowing that it was her anchor and her weakness.

And no, in her pov atleast you can see that Khushi took away two of her most important men in her life. They didnt validate her but gave her love and respect. In that respect, with one man gone and Arnav preoccupied with Khushi, rightly so, she felt less important. So she ended up sulky.

One thing i never forgive her for was when she allowed Shyam back into the house, had secret meetings with him.. She was super selfish. And i give that to the writers. For potentially screwing up what would have been an amazing character.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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I completely agree witb you. after re-watching the show i was unable to sympathise with anjali
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Savera84


Thanks for your comment.
Later parts of my post explains how Anjali behaved clueless and confused way before Shyam's revelation. She was like that from episode one to be precise.
She does not know how Arnav crushed his uncle, but she knows he bought Sheesh Mahal back. She does not know where her husband was at that time, but she knows Arnav organised a fashion show at Sheesh Mahal.
She can travel all the way to Lucknow to pay a surprise visit to Arnav but can never surprise her husband at his office or court.
Khushi was forced to work for Arnav under contract terms , but she rightly resigned her job when she almost lost her life while working for him. In that situation that contract becomes null and void. But out of all people, Anjali used the same contract to blackmail Khushi to train Lavanya. That is why she is not a loving or caring person for me.

hmm the contract thingy...idk if it really did become null and void after arnav's thoughtlessness...if it really did become null and void then why did not khushi bring that up?...was khushi clueless about the contract she signed too because that is not a very intelligent thing to do? or should we attribute this to creatives' way of pushing the track ahead?...if the point that the contract becomes null and void had come up then khushi would have never landed in RM...good point about anjali never landing to shyam's place to surprise him...but again this was the way to keep anjali unaware of shyam's truth..sometimes characters are shown brainless or clueless or not so proactive in indian dramas to take the track ahead or to put some drama or bring the leads under one roof...did the shaatir dimaag raizada really think bringing shyam and khushi under one roof was the best solution ever?yes he was in fact that brainless...but what to do, the creatives had to bring arshi under one roof and/or get them married and so it was shown that arnav could come up with only this solution.
So yes anjali was may be clueless sometimes..but many characters are shown brainless/clueless as our dear creatives just can't write plots without these.

I am defending anjali so much...but it is only in this aspect...otherwise all in all I too found her really annoying...she smiled even while talking man...I was like 'how does your mouth not hurt?!'😆...and she cried so f**king easily...daljeet's acting in these scenes didn't help either...I think she is doing well in her zee show but in ipk not many of her crying scenes impressed me...

and if her pov was that khushi took away the two men in her life then that is definitely a reason to find her pathetic..she had no blame for the pervert but was blaming the innocent young girl?that is shameless...and khushi did not even claim her right on her husband ever...so anjali should never have thought khushi was taking arnav away from him...she was a darling of a sister in law..but then we have already established that the post revelation anjali was indeed delusional and had crossed heights of stupidity...shyam had managed to convince his rani sahiba again that he wasn't a pervert and khushi had only "misunderstood" him...but the allegations were from shyam's side too...all that crap about "khushi is young and thus can stray to the wrong path"...why didn't anjali ever ask shyam that why did he throw such allegations on khushi..had he been the one to "misunderstand" too?
Edited by JaiJaiIraniMata - 8 years ago
Posted: 8 years ago
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Thanks to everyone who showed interest in this thread.
Thanks to dis_arshi and MoonBow for sharing your opinions.
@dis_arshi - I also feel that Anjali is a weak character.

@MoonBow - As I said in my first part of this post, I thought she was a +ve character, but instead of positivness all I found was confusion.
She preached about a Saanse Rokne Waali. If she thinks Arnav's SRW is Lavanya, why did she let others say Arnav can sacrifice his happiness for his Di? I am not saying, he has to change parties and look out for only his SRW, but he has to balance between Di and SRW. If he sacrifices his happiness for his Di, what will he offer to Lavanya/or his SRW? That does not make sense to me.
If Anjali thinks his SRW is not Lavanya, then why was she hell bent on turning Lavanya into a bahu material? So, you see, Anjali is confused herself.

@arhi101 - Thanks for your comment.

@JaiJailraniMata (unique user name) - I brought contract because, Anjali reprimanded Arnav for putting Khushi's life at risk and she told him what he did was wrong and she said sorry to Khushi and Payal on Arnav's behalf too! So we expect her to be the first one to say that the contract holds no meaning under the circumstances.
As per the contract, Khushi owes Arnav money, since she resigned herself. She can go to court and win it too, but she needs money to fight the case. Some one even asked help from liar Shyam, if I am not wrong. So, Anjali of all people using that contract against Khushi did not make sense to me and did not show Anjali in a positive light. I agree that other characters have flaws too. But not this many and not through out the show is my opinion.
Edited by Savera84 - 8 years ago

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