Trust & Belief - What They Mean... EDITED

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Posted: 12 years ago
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I have been reading a lot of posts going on and on about how Khushi doesn't trust Arnav...


So I decided to delve into that issue of trust & belief.


Let's start with Trust...


Trust - To have belief or confidence in the honesty, reliability & goodness of a person...


Honesty - Arnav told Khushi that Aarav is not his son as him and Sheetal were just dating. Khushi found out from the DNA test report (real or fake) that Arnav is Aarav's father.

Did even once she considered that Arnav might have lied to her about his and Sheetal's relationship?

Did she even once think that, "OMG, how could Arnavji lie to me so blatantly? So that's why he was so angry when I got the test done."

No. It never crossed her mind for a single second that Arnav had lied to her. She just assumed that Arnav may not remember an incidence that happened a long time ago.

So yes, she did have belief or confidence in his honesty.

Reliability - Even after finding out from the DNA report that Arnav and Aarav are father and son, did she for a moment thought that this kind of man who is a blatant lier, can never be a good husband?

Did she think that I can never trust a single word he says anymore as he lied to me?

No, she still relies on his word that he indeed had no idea or clue about Aarav's existance.

Goodness - In spite of Sheetal telling Khushi that they did have a more than casual relationship which resulted in a child, did Khushi even once think that, "So Arnavji had a physical relationship with Sheetal while all these time he kept telling me that it meant nothing"?

No, she believes him to be a genuinely good person who would have told her the truth if he had remembered/knew...


Now let's talk about Belief...


Belief - The feeling of being certain that something exists or is true...


Based on the clue that she was being presented, she reached a certain conclusion which she believes to be true. But that doesn't mean that she starts pointing fingers right away without even bothering to look for proof.

She, in fact, did everything she could to find the proof.

She trusted Arnav's words, but she also believed that Arnav may not remember all the instances from his past. May be something that happened when he was not his senses or drunk or whatever...

So as a wife, she wanted to find out the truth because every spouse when presented an ex with an exact replica of their spouse's would want to know the truth.

They should not be ridiculed or made fun off or to be shouted at for it.

At least Khushi is not accusing Arnav of a lier or behaving with him as if he is a piece of shit like Arnav did with her.


So there are two things I'd like to know...


1. What you'd do if suddenly an ex of your spouse and his exact replica drops in front of you and your spouse tells you that that relationship meant nothing and that child can not be his? However, every person in your household leaves no occasion to constantly point out how similar to your spouse that child is and your spouse's ex keeps behaving suspiciously.

Would you believe that whatever your spouse says is the ultimate truth with no possibility of memory loss/drunken mistake/whatever and become Gandhi's three monkeys like Anjali?

Remember, here we know Arnav is the good guy. But imagine it's a real life scenario where the CVs helpfully hasn't told you that your spouse is the hero of the story so he is always right.


2. Based on the definition of trust and belief and my arguments, do argue whether you believe that Khushi has shown sufficient trust and/or belief or not...


EDITED: Wow... Are the CVs reading my ideas or what? I write this post three days back and today Sheetal claims drunken night.

I wrote this following theory on October 20th and tweeted it to 4 Lions and Akshay Dogra before Dhruv Singh Raizada entry was announced and the news come of Dhruv's entry (as Akshay has quit) and the spoiler reveal this storyline.

Another co-incidence? Hummm... Investigation kadeka padi...



NOTE: This is a discussion post. Feel free to agree or disagree with me, but in a respectful manner.










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Posted: 12 years ago
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I wholeheartedly understand what Khushi is feeling and the way she is reacting. I would do the same thing. If u are presented with a miniature version of your husband and his mother is a girl that your husband dated for a while and although it meant nothing, you know what your husband was like. You had proof with Lavanya when your husband was just going to stay with her without marriage and your husband has been saying you know how i was in those days, did not believe in marriage and what not, so what are you supposed to think. Even when he says, he was just dating, in the western countries these days dating includes sleeping with each other. These days couples go out a couple of times and are ready to sleep together. Most relationships in the western countries are like that presently. There might be only a few that are platonic and even though Khushi has not been to western countries, I think she realizes this. She believes her husband wholeheartedly and you should give her thumbs up that she has accepted that Arnav has a son and willing for the two to get to know each other. If that was me, I would not say anything to anyone and probably find an apartment quickly and kick sheetal out of the house and get back to my life.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Absolutely, Tia! I am a bit taken aback by people's responses to Khushi's actions today. Some have been particularly nasty and unfair.

From a worldly point of view her actions are naive, but never her intentions or her heart. She never judged either, she didn't think of it as a betrayal in any form. her concern was only for the child.

That IS who she is. She is in pain, yet she can think of the other's pain.

But I agree with ASR when he tells her that to lie is not right, however, good the cause.

I'm not sure what point the cvs want to prove either with this track or with depicting Khushi in the way they are. I doubt if they have thought this through as with any of the other tracks. Always reactive instead of being proactive.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I don't agree with you.. If she has DNA report with her making her believe that ASR is indeed the father.. Why did she not confront ASR with the report, instead she went to Sheetal for confirmation. Which woman will go to other woman for confirmation instead of going to her husband.. Does she trust stranger more than her husband?
Regarding everyone saying that Aarav looks like Arnav, will she do the same if tomorrow lavanya or some other girlfriend from past pops up and has a kid who acts exactly like ASR.. There is something called common sense.. You can have insecurity and suspicions, but that does not mean you trust some stranger who suddenly drops with a kid and acting wierd.Where is the trust in your husband
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Faiqahfadia

I wholeheartedly understand what Khushi is feeling and the way she is reacting. I would do the same thing. If u are presented with a miniature version of your husband and his mother is a girl that your husband dated for a while and although it meant nothing, you know what your husband was like. You had proof with Lavanya when your husband was just going to stay with her without marriage and your husband has been saying you know how i was in those days, did not believe in marriage and what not, so what are you supposed to think. Even when he says, he was just dating, in the western countries these days dating includes sleeping with each other. These days couples go out a couple of times and are ready to sleep together. Most relationships in the western countries are like that presently. There might be only a few that are platonic and even though Khushi has not been to western countries, I think she realizes this. She believes her husband wholeheartedly and you should give her thumbs up that she has accepted that Arnav has a son and willing for the two to get to know each other. If that was me, I would not say anything to anyone and probably find an apartment quickly and kick sheetal out of the house and get back to my life.


I agree. Dating is a vague term even in India. Almost always it ends with a kiss (cheek/lips) and often involves alcohol. Since Arnav and Sheetal were in Harvard and not Haridwar, it stands to reason that should they have wanted/carried away to take it to physical level there were ample opportunity to do so.

At no point of time Arnav had said that Sheetal and I never had any physical relationships whatsoever. Khushi, being an old fashioned girl can't ask, but Arnav, a modern man of today, can't state that clearly to his wife?

If Arnav was a saint before marriage who never had any live-in relationships because he does not believe in physical relationship before marriage, Khushi would never wonder.

But she knew how he was before marriage. It's not that she doesn't trust him, she doesn't believe the man he was before she walked into his life.

I asked my husband that if one of your ex turns up with your exact replica and I have a doubt that the child is yours and try to find out the truth even though you told me that relationship meant nothing or you were just dating, would you get angry with me?

His answer: No. If that child is my exact replica, then your doubt is justified.

However, if I tell you that the child can no way in hell can be my son as that said ex and I never had any physical relationship ever, sober or drunk, then I'd expect you to trust me. But if you can't and insist on a DNA test, I'd do it. I have nothing to hide or worry about. What the hell I care? It's just a piece of my hair or nail.

But dating is a vague term. So if I just tell you we dated, then that had a lot of interpretation based on our age, location, sensibilities etc. Then you can go ahead and insist on a DNA test because well, I didn't give you any reason that why I think that child, can no way in hell, be mine right?


This answers were not from an Indian man. It was from a Canadian man who is as westernized and modern in his thoughts as ASR.
Edited by tia.o - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I'm not agree or dis agree ur thoughts but...for me i want khushi to think her arnavji words for once above all proof and shitall words ...then ask herself the question WHY??? her man deny the father statement in blank point ...for she knows he is a man of honesty and not hide such big thing from her ...never lies or shy from his mistake...for once i want her to think from ASR's pov...
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I agree that she should have confronted Arnav but she had torn the report infront of him so with what face will she go to him?
But regardless, she should have said something like, "Arnavji I want to ask you something important." and maybe gone in an indirect way like how come Arrav is similar to you and has your habits and likes and dislikes and everyone is saying that he is just like you, dont you find that funny. And then maybe go on to say, everyone says he could be your son. Do you think that's possible or did you have such relation with Sheetal. That could go two ways, either Arnav gets mad and says no he had no such relation or he will get into deep thought. If he gets mad and says they had no such relation then Khushi has her truth and she can dig deep to find out what the truth is and if Arnav goes into deep thought then maybe he would confront Sheetal about the paternity of Arrav. That would have been more fun seeing Arnav in confusion and deep thought as to Arrav being his son and him confronting Sheetal and then Khushi finding clue that Sheetal is lying and trying to clear everything. This would have brought up respect for Khushi.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Japonica

Absolutely, Tia! I am a bit taken aback by people's responses to Khushi's actions today. Some have been particularly nasty and unfair.

From a worldly point of view her actions are naive, but never her intentions or her heart. She never judged either, she didn't think of it as a betrayal in any form. her concern was only for the child.

That IS who she is. She is in pain, yet she can think of the other's pain.

But I agree with ASR when he tells her that to lie is not right, however, good the cause.

I'm not sure what point the cvs want to prove either with this track or with depicting Khushi in the way they are. I doubt if they have thought this through as with any of the other tracks. Always reactive instead of being proactive.


I agree. The CVs are showing Khushi as someone who believes anyone before she believes in herself. However, she was always depicted as a bleeding heart who thinks about everyone's happiness at the cost of her own.

Being a woman with a big heart is okay. But she needs to stop projecting her life incidents on every orphan.

Aarav has a healthy and happy life where he has a mother who cares for him. So he wants to meet his dad. Fair enough. But it's not up to her to do it. It's up to his mother. Sheetal didn't tell Aarav about Arnav. So respect her decision because she is his legal guardian.

If you feel that's unfair to Arnav then tell him that Sheetal told me that Aarav is your son but not to tell you. I think you should know about it because my first loyalty to you as my husband.

Then let him handle it. It's not your problem anymore.

I said it during Anjali's track that Khushi's first loyalty should be to her husband and herself. His family and/or relationships come later.

Who knows? May be Arnav likes being Aarav's friend and doesn't really want to have a grown-up child. So yes, he deserves to know what Aarav's mother told you. But he doesn't deserve to be thrown at a relationship he isn't prepared for. I'm talking about Aarav here, not Sheetal because she doesn't fall in any relationship whatsoever.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: tia.o


I agree. The CVs are showing Khushi as someone who believes anyone before she believes in herself. However, she was always depicted as a bleeding heart who thinks about everyone's happiness at the cost of her own.

Being a woman with a big heart is okay. But she needs to stop projecting her life incidents on every orphan.

Aarav has a healthy and happy life where he has a mother who cares for him. So he wants to meet his dad. Fair enough. But it's not up to her to do it. It's up to his mother. Sheetal didn't tell Aarav about Arnav. So respect her decision because she is his legal guardian.

If you feel that's unfair to Arnav then tell him that Sheetal told me that Aarav is your son but not to tell you. I think you should know about it because my first loyalty to you as my husband.

Then let him handle it. It's not your problem anymore.

I said it during Anjali's track that Khushi's first loyalty should be to her husband and herself. His family and/or relationships come later.

Who knows? May be Arnav likes being Aarav's friend and doesn't really want to have a grown-up child. So yes, he deserves to know what Aarav's mother told you. But he doesn't deserve to be thrown at a relationship he isn't prepared for. I'm talking about Aarav here, not Sheetal because she doesn't fall in any relationship whatsoever.




I agree with you. She should go and tell Arnav that Sheetal told me Arrav is your son. Then let him deal with Sheetal and find out the truth. Why is she so hellbent in jeopardizing her relation with her husband? I know it's not her fault and the script is like that and she has to follow it, but sometimes, just sometimes can CV's please portray what happens in real life. I know they want to drag this for a few more days but realistically they should put themselves in the shoes of these characters and think of what they would do if they were in that situation. I dont think there are a lot of people in real life who would give up absolutely everything for a stranger so please dont show that to us. If you want to show Khushi as sacrificing then she already is sacrificing by accepting Arrav and more than that would be fake. Keep the story more realistic and entertaining and fun.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: gopikaaji

I'm not agree or dis agree ur thoughts but...for me i want khushi to think her arnavji words for once above all proof and shitall words ...then ask herself the question WHY??? her man deny the father statement in blank point ...for she knows he is a man of honesty and not hide such big thing from her ...never lies or shy from his mistake...for once i want her to think from ASR's pov...


Umm, you are forgetting one thing. She wholeheartedly believes that ASR is a man of honesty and he won't hide such a big thing or lie or shy away from his mistake. If she hadn't believed that, she would have walked up to him after seeing the DNA report and throwing it in his face and walking out.

However, that doesn't take it into account, what if ASR didn't know (can't tell what you don't know), what if it was a drunken mistake he has forgotten, what if he was in trouble and did a one night stand but forgot about it? There are all kinds of scenarios there which ASR couldn't have known and/or remembered. It doesn't make him a lier for not telling what he didn't know or remember. It just makes him a man who forgot about it.

So Khushi does trust ASR, but she also believes that there is a possibility that ASR could have forgotten that incidence. It's not lack of trust, it's lack of complete information.

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