Trust & Belief - What They Mean... EDITED - Page 2

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Posted: 12 years ago
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I agree with you ..
Even though I'm not liking this over-selfless Khushi and she is irritating me with her mahanta .. and I wished if she confront Arnav with the DNA report and throw some tantrums as she felt that he lied to her about his and Sheetal previous relationship .. (I wanted her to show any woman feelings in that moment )..

But if we talked about trust and faith on Arnav .. she has a great faith on him .. she trust him ..
I might doubt here faith & trust on Arnav when she was imagining and thinking that Sheetal still means something for Arnav ( Though in that case, Arnav was giving her a strong signals to believe that ) ..

But thinking that Aarav is Arnav father from a Previous relationship, is not that she is don't have a trust on him ! ..
It's very natural when you see your husband's ex child ,a copy from your husband, and when you hear the Raizadas comments about how they look like a father and a son all the day🥱 ..
it's clear that she believe in his honesty when he said that he was dating her only, but she think that it happened accidentally ,if she had a doubt in his honesty , she would feel cheated, she would try to distance her self from him , and maybe leave him directly ! ..

and the DNA report, whether it was fake or not, but it is a big proof ..
If Khushi believed Arnav over the DNA report , what would be the difference between her and Anjali ! ..
Anjali believed Shyam blindly .. and we said about her dumb ...etc.
and now some people wanted Khushi to do what Anjali did ! .. believe someone over logic and proofs ..

at least Khushi tried and investigated to know the truth , she didn't believe what people said to her blindly .. she hadn't judged him only based on her doubts about his past ..
yes , Khushi is dumb to confront Sheetal not Arnav .. irritating for thinking about all people except her and Arnav's happiness together .. She will be the mother of dumbs if she decided to leave him to unit Aarav family ..

but she has a good faith in Arnav that she gave an excuse to what seemed a lie ..
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Khushi's reactions given Arnav's past are not shocking at all. Any lady in this situation would do the same I think.
However she has trust and belief in Arnav's words- that she is his world and the past means nothing to him. While we wait for the whole plot to unfold , I would presume that either Khushi thinks
- Arnav himself is unaware of this fact of incidents (as Tia mentioned) that led to Sheetal getting pregnant.
- Arnav doesn't disclose the fact about the nature of his relationship with Sheetal due to the fear of losing/hurting Khushi.

While we are yet to see how Khushi reacts with Arnav, her first confrontation was with Sheetal but for Aarav. Because despite knowing the (supposed) truth , she knows at the end of the day Arnav is hers and she is not giving him up to Sheetal. It is only for Aarav that is she is upto whatever she is doing. But that in no way portrays her as not trusting Arnav.



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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Faiqahfadia

I agree with you. She should go and tell Arnav that Sheetal told me Arrav is your son. Then let him deal with Sheetal and find out the truth. Why is she so hellbent in jeopardizing her relation with her husband? I know it's not her fault and the script is like that and she has to follow it, but sometimes, just sometimes can CV's please portray what happens in real life. I know they want to drag this for a few more days but realistically they should put themselves in the shoes of these characters and think of what they would do if they were in that situation. I dont think there are a lot of people in real life who would give up absolutely everything for a stranger so please dont show that to us. If you want to show Khushi as sacrificing then she already is sacrificing by accepting Arrav and more than that would be fake. Keep the story more realistic and entertaining and fun.


That's SP tradition. The female lead needs to be a self-sacrificing martyr and gullible idiot.

In real life, a woman like Khushi would accept Aarav in her life but make sure Sheetal knows that she has no place in her husband's life. No matter what the society believes, it was her decision to give birth to Aarav without telling Arnav. So after this long time, she can't expect to waltz in their lives because now she wants to have her son's father in her life.That is out of the question. She should have thought about that before deciding to be a single mother.

In today's society, there are plenty of divorced/single mothers in India. No one points fingers at them. The way they raise their children maintaining healthy relationship with their ex, this can work the same way.

In fact, knowing that Aarav is Arnav's son, she should move out immediately out of RM. Arnav can arrange an apartment for her and Aarav. Aarav can visit, Sheetal is off-limits except special occasions like Aarav's birthday and stuff.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Hi Tia,

let me start with saying that I love Khushi as much as I love Arnav , incase you think Im biased for one over the other 😊

1. so in point no#1 you said that Khushi on finding the DNA report dint consider Arnav as a lier.. Do we really know what she thought at that point.. ? whether she thought Arnav is a lier or whether she thought that he might have forgetten after having sex with the woman.. we really do no know ... she doest seem to think about all those logics..if she had she would have answered some basic questions to herself before confronting any1.. like does being blood related actually mean father son relationship ? why is Arnav so confident about not being Aarav's father? she got the report that said Arnav and Aarav are related and thats it .. Her mind raced to Sheetal who she has been observing for a while and then Aarav.. She really was not thinking about Arnav or what can be the possible repurcussions of all this on their marriage till the time Sheetal asks her '' kya tum Arnav ko chhod dogi ya wo tumhe? She was contemplating making Arnav accept Aarav as his son without realising that Aarav comes as a package deal along with Sheetal..

2. your second point confused me.. coz if you say that she dint take him as a lier how could she possibly believe that a blatant lier can still be a good husband !!! coz you said she dint believe him to be a lier at the first place..

see the thing is that Khushi puts other problems and worries above her own.. lot of times out of obligation and gratittude.. coz she feels her amma babuji, jiji , buaji adopted her ..gave her a good life..so she is ready to bear anything for their happiness..whether its getting engaged to Shyam, working in AR , then in RM..she will do anything for them..! then when she got married to Arnav, she had the same feeling for Anjali..she felt obliged to help her despite facing the wrath of the family coz she held herself responsible for her miseries. .Thats how she is..Today,instead of worrying about her own marriage she was worrying about Aarav..

and I wont compare Arnav's situation with Khushi.. Times have changed and people have changed.. Can you imagine a scenario today where Arnav sees Khushi hug Shyam? would he jump to conclusions and blame Khushi? or grope in a corner and self sacrifice? No he would strangle Shyam to death for touching his wife.. After all they have gone through, almost dying for each other you would expect them to have rocksolid trust on each other right? Pyar '' bharosa '' hai...!!!

This track is a role reversal of the previous track where Khushi helped ASR become Arnav..now its Arnav turn to bring out the real Khushi who still bears the pain of abandonment and insecurities deep down her...real Khushi who can fearlessly enjoy and savour the love and happiness bestowed on her by devi mayya..

about the practical scenario ..I cant relate to this happening in the real world AT ALL.😊
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: .A.l.i.a.

I agree with you ..

Even though I'm not liking this over-selfless Khushi and she is irritating me with her mahanta .. and I wished if she confront Arnav with the DNA report and throw some tantrums as she felt that he lied to her about his and Sheetal previous relationship .. (I wanted her to show any woman feelings in that moment )..

But if we talked about trust and faith on Arnav .. she has a great faith on him .. she trust him ..
I might doubt here faith & trust on Arnav when she was imagining and thinking that Sheetal still means something for Arnav ( Though in that case, Arnav was giving her a strong signals to believe that ) ..

But thinking that Aarav is Arnav father from a Previous relationship, is not that she is don't have a trust on him ! ..
It's very natural when you see your husband's ex child ,a copy from your husband, and when you hear the Raizadas comments about how they look like a father and a son all the day🥱 ..
it's clear that she believe in his honesty when he said that he was dating her only, but she think that it happened accidentally ,if she had a doubt in his honesty , she would feel cheated, she would try to distance her self from him , and maybe leave him directly ! ..

and the DNA report, whether it was fake or not, but it is a big proof ..
If Khushi believed Arnav over the DNA report , what would be the difference between her and Anjali ! ..
Anjali believed Shyam blindly .. and we said about her dumb ...etc.
and now some people wanted Khushi to do what Anjali did ! .. believe someone over logic and proofs ..

at least Khushi tried and investigated to know the truth , she didn't believe what people said to her blindly .. she hadn't judged him only based on her doubts about his past ..
yes , Khushi is dumb to confront Sheetal not Arnav .. irritating for thinking about all people except her and Arnav's happiness together .. She will be the mother of dumbs if she decided to leave him to unit Aarav family ..

but she has a good faith in Arnav that she gave an excuse to what seemed a lie ..


@ Bold... That is exactly my point. Like I said, we had seen Shyam's ugly face, so we know how much of an idiot Anjali is to swallow everyone of his lies. Didn't we all call her Dumbali?

In Arnav's case, CVs have let us know kindly that he is the hero, hence always right. Not to mention, faithful spoiler givers have told us that DNA report was fake. Too bad they haven't shared the news with Khushi.

But let's assume that the spoiler givers are wrong and Aarav is indeed Arnav's son. In fact when Sheetal reveals a drunken night to Arnav, he agrees that he had forgotten about that and accepts that Aarav is his son.

What then?

Would you still bash Khushi for not trusting Arnav?

No. Then you'd say that Khushi was right to do the DNA test because Arnav forgot about it. If she hadn't and took him at his words, she would have never known the truth.

And when it is revealed years later (and it would have been because this kind of things never stay hidden forever), she would have felt so betrayed that she would have left Arnav and take her children (most likely) with her and ask for divorce.

Actually I believe always trust people within reason. But don't go as far as blind trust. Because nothing blind is good.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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My reaction.. Any rational or normal woman would confront her husband with the report..and adk him point blank?you don't go the other women to ask for confirmation. Period. There is no way to justify her action today or getting DNA report done behind his back.. You can come with fancy theories on what belief and trust are.. But bottom line is you are trusting a stranger and how long has she known that woman.. You are making decisions for others
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Posted: 12 years ago
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My reaction.. Any rational or normal woman would confront her husband with the report..and adk him point blank?you don't go the other women to ask for confirmation. Period. There is no way to justify her action today or getting DNA report done behind his back.. You can come with fancy theories on what belief and trust are.. But bottom line is you are trusting a stranger and how long has she known that woman.. You are making decisions for others




I'll have you know that only two things can reveal a child's father. 1. His mother and 2. DNA test.

A mother because when only a woman can tell who and how many man she slept with to be carrying a baby.

And

A DNA test because it's scientific evidence.

A father can claim a child all he wants. But if a mother denies the child to be his, other than doing a DNA test report, there is no way he can prove the child is his.

The same way, a father can deny all he wants. But if a mother claims the child to be his, other than doing DNA test, there is no way he can prove that the child is not his.

She is not asking a stranger whether whatever Arnav has told her about their past was true or not.

She is asking a mother who is the father of her son since the father doesn't know/aware/not present in the child's life.

And I think you are forgetting how Arnav reacted when he saw the last DNA test report. So only a stupid woman will walk up to him and confront him without talking to the child's mother.

Aarav is not her son. He is Sheetal's son. It's up to her to confront Arnav. It's not Khushi's responsibility to reveal the truth.

As his wife, she had her right to find out whether Aarav is her husband's son, she did. Now whether Arnav wants to know/believe the truth or not, why is it her concern? He never wanted to know the truth or try to find out, he is that confident about Aarav not being his son.

So why should Khushi tell him the truth? His father doesn't want to find out and his mother doesn't want to reveal. Who is she to ignore their wishes?

In fact, she is being very smart in all this so far. I don't know about the future.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Wonderful post. Differences between trust and belief are nicely explained. I myself was thinking why people were saying she doesn't trust him when all she is doing is to know the truth. She never blamed him. You put it down so well.

Kushi trusts Arnav's words. But believes due to the proof that Aarav is his son and Arnav doesn't know about it. She went to Sheetal first because I think she wanted to hear it from her before confronting him. Any normal women would jump to conclusion that her husband lied to her and bombard him with questions which will hurt the husband if he is indeed innocent.

Kushi however did the next best thing to confirm the suspicion that DNA presented. Asking the mother of the child itself. I think what she did proves that she loves Arnav. She wanted to be sure before she went to him because she knows it will hurt him. And its not like she decided not to talk to Arnav about it. She will give her time. She just got a shock of her life.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: vaishali-AR

Hi Tia,


let me start with saying that I love Khushi as much as I love Arnav , incase you think Im biased for one over the other 😊

1. so in point no#1 you said that Khushi on finding the DNA report dint consider Arnav as a lier.. Do we really know what she thought at that point.. ? whether she thought Arnav is a lier or whether she thought that he might have forgetten after having sex with the woman.. we really do no know ... - She wasn't angry or upset with Arnav. She even hugged him the next morning. Would you be that affectionate/casual with your husband if you thought he had lied about such a big thing to you and deliberately kept you in the dark? So yes, we know that she never considered Arnav to be a lier.

she doest seem to think about all those logics..if she had she would have answered some basic questions to herself before confronting any1.. like does being blood related actually mean father son relationship ? why is Arnav so confident about not being Aarav's father? she got the report that said Arnav and Aarav are related and thats it .. - Is Khushi a highly educated modern woman? She didn't even know what is a DNA test. But even though she thought Arnav is Aarav's father, she didn't believe it to be completely truth. She went to the child's mother for confirmation. If Arnav had verified that many times about Khushi's innocence during Terrace Hug, we would have thought he was the symbol of Trust.

Her mind raced to Sheetal who she has been observing for a while and then Aarav.. She really was not thinking about Arnav or what can be the possible repurcussions of all this on their marriage till the time Sheetal asks her '' kya tum Arnav ko chhod dogi ya wo tumhe? She was contemplating making Arnav accept Aarav as his son without realising that Aarav comes as a package deal along with Sheetal.. - No, she didn't think the repercussions. She just saw a little boy desperate for a father and saw a man who likes the boy but (possibly) unaware of the fact that he is his own flesh and blood. She thought like a woman who always thinks about everyone's happiness but her own. She hasn't sacrificed her love yet. In fact, seeing her reaction, I feel that it never even crossed her mind to let Arnav go. Sheetal may come as package deal with Aarav. But Khushi also comes in a package deal with Arnav.

2. your second point confused me.. coz if you say that she dint take him as a lier how could she possibly believe that a blatant lier can still be a good husband !!! coz you said she dint believe him to be a lier at the first place.. - My second point carried on with the first. You only rely on the people you trust and you only trust the people who don't lie to you. So since Khushi believes Arnav never lied to her, she trusts him and since she trusts him, she relies on him.

see the thing is that Khushi puts other problems and worries above her own.. lot of times out of obligation and gratittude.. coz she feels her amma babuji, jiji , buaji adopted her ..gave her a good life..so she is ready to bear anything for their happiness..whether its getting engaged to Shyam, working in AR , then in RM..she will do anything for them..! then when she got married to Arnav, she had the same feeling for Anjali..she felt obliged to help her despite facing the wrath of the family coz she held herself responsible for her miseries. .- Today, instead of worrying about her own marriage she was worrying about Aarav.. - That's who she is. She kept the truth of her contract marriage hidden even though she was insulted, so that no one thinks of her love as a bad human being. She sacrificed her own reputation for Arnav's, her own happiness for him.

She is doing the same now for the same person. She is worrying about Aarav not because he is some kid, she is worrying about Aarav because he is Arnav's son. She is also worrying about Arnav, who according to her is unaware of his child's existence. She could have easily hidden the truth and ask Sheetal to take Aarav and leave RM. She was the one who invited her, she could send her away. And since Sheetal herself has said that she didn't want anyone to know about Aarav, she should have no problem to go away.

But Khushi didn't do that. She understood that Aarav needs to know his father and her husband needs to know the boy he likes so much is his own son. Whether the DNA report was fake or not, that remains to be seen. But her love and trust for Arnav is not at all fake.

and I wont compare Arnav's situation with Khushi.. Times have changed and people have changed.. Can you imagine a scenario today where Arnav sees Khushi hug Shyam? would he jump to conclusions and blame Khushi? or grope in a corner and self sacrifice? No he would strangle Shyam to death for touching his wife.. After all they have gone through, almost dying for each other you would expect them to have rocksolid trust on each other right? Pyar '' bharosa '' hai...!!!

- Again you are talking about rocksolid trust. Please read my post. Did Khushi ever doubt that Arnav lied to her about Sheetal not meaning anything to him? Did Khushi doubt that Arnav knew about Aarav but lied to her anyway? Did Khushi ever doubt that Arnav considered the DNA test a breach of trust because he didn't want the truth to come out? Did Khushi went to do DNA test after Arnav told her in clear terms what "just dating" means?

Then where she didn't show the trust?

If I tell you I was just dating this guy, what would you think my relationship with him was like?

a. Went out for movies/dinner/outing but never touched each other, drunk or sober.

b. Went out for movies/dinner/outing but just kissed/necked/groped each other, drunk or sober.

c. Had physical relationship but used protection every time...

d. Never touched each other sober, but got drunk a few times and don't remember what happened then.

Now you tell me what would be your conclusion. Then think for a woman who never went out on a date and doesn't even know what it means what she can interpret it as.

In all three possibilities above except a. a child can exist that the man may or may not know about.

So her doubts are not unreasonable. Yet she believes that Arnav is telling the truth because if he didn't know about Aarav, he can't tell her about this, right? Rocksolid trust is exactly that.

Pyaar is indeed bharosa and Khushi has bharosa in Arnav that he is speaking the truth. But she doesn't take his vague terms/explanations at face value. If she did, then what is the difference between her and Anjali who took Shyam's half-baked explanations at face value?


This track is a role reversal of the previous track where Khushi helped ASR become Arnav..now its Arnav turn to bring out the real Khushi who still bears the pain of abandonment and insecurities deep down her...real Khushi who can fearlessly enjoy and savour the love and happiness bestowed on her by devi mayya.. - Agreed. Now it's Arnav's turn to support Khushi and help with her issues with patience and care.

about the practical scenario ..I cant relate to this happening in the real world AT ALL.😊

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Hope

Wonderful post. Differences between trust and belief are nicely explained. I myself was thinking why people were saying she doesn't trust him when all she is doing is to know the truth. She never blamed him. You put it down so well.

Kushi trusts Arnav's words. But believes due to the proof that Aarav is his son and Arnav doesn't know about it. She went to Sheetal first because I think she wanted to hear it from her before confronting him. Any normal women would jump to conclusion that her husband lied to her and bombard him with questions which will hurt the husband if he is indeed innocent.

Kushi however did the next best thing to confirm the suspicion that DNA presented. Asking the mother of the child itself. I think what she did proves that she loves Arnav. She wanted to be sure before she went to him because she knows it will hurt him. And its not like she decided not to talk to Arnav about it. She will give her time. She just got a shock of her life.


Thank you for reading the post thoroughly. Khushi, so far, has dealt with the situation very maturely. She didn't hurt or accuse Arnav for lying/deceiving her. She didn't hid the facts from him because of her own personal gain.

She will talk to Arnav about it. But it's not her position to do so. As I said in my comments, it's the mother's decision to tell the truth and the father's decision to investigate. It's not the step mother's place to reveal the facts when the mother doesn't want the truth to come out and the father doesn't believe it anyway.

As a wife, she has a right to know and she did. Now whether Arnav finds out or not, it's not her decision. She didn't hid his child from him for 8 years nor she has denied him his son.

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