Why girls defend ASR (ASR not BS)..

First Previous

Page

Next Last

Frequent Posters

-sanika-

@-sanika-

Dazzler

+ 2

Posted: 12 years ago

#41

Originally posted by: sonapari

so in your books hitler is better than gandhi...
Hmm refreshing thought...
NO wonder hitler got killed in a dungent & gandhi is called mahatma...
Though you will not like it ...but still let me ask you whom do you prefer to lead our country?
gandhi or hitler?
In case you don't choose a gandhi...what will you do?
I mean may be you can explain to us...

Sweetie, sorry if I was mistaken that you were "open-minded" enough, to see the other side of the coin. If you don't want to listen, then do not ask the question.

I deal with facts. No where in my posts did I imply that Hitler was better than Gandhi or vice versa. That was you jumping to your conclusions. Simply because I do not agree with you. That is your problem, not mine.

I definitely have my opinions about both Hitler and Gandhi and who should lead our country. But you definitely are not someone I will want to have a discussion with given your attitude and response.

Enjoy your bashing!
I hope it makes you feel better about yourself.
I know it doesn't affect me.
Ciao!

Quote

sonapari

@sonapari

Dazzler

+ 2

Posted: 12 years ago

#42

Originally posted by: -sanika-

Sweetie, sorry if I was mistaken that you were "open-minded" enough, to see the other side of the coin. If you don't want to listen, then do not ask the question.

I deal with facts. No where in my posts did I imply that Hitler was better than Gandhi or vice versa. That was you jumping to your conclusions. Simply because I do not agree with you. That is your problem, not mine.

I definitely have my opinions about both Hitler and Gandhi and who should lead our country. But you definitely are not someone I will want to have a discussion with given your attitude and response.

Enjoy your bashing!
I hope it makes you feel better about yourself.
I know it doesn't affect me.
Ciao!

sorry honey...😲

i thought you said you like ruthless,powerful,heartless people ...right?

You don't like selfless peop[le whose efforts bring in no profit or results...

so who else than gandhi & hitler to symbolize two different sides of coin?

i love open & honest povs ...

so i am sorry if i offended you...

that wasn't my intention...

you don't like khushi because she puts efforts in selfless acts which don't bring in any result...right?

you admire ruthless,heartless asr so i thought you like all people who wants to be in control all the time...

may be i didn't understand yaar...

but we can have discussion as long as we don't personal...

so tell me one more time...why my analogy offended you so much...

what was i trying to say & what happened...look now...

you are the one who came here with discussion mode...so let me know one your pov...

Edited by sonapari - 12 years ago

Quote

Looks like you are new here. Register for free, learn and contribute.

aviation-ca

@aviation-ca

Voyager

+ 4

Posted: 12 years ago

#43

Guys.. that was my point exactly.. it is because Khushi loves Arnav despite his faults, we too extend that to Arnav..

You are talking about Arnav a fictional character, Khushi another fictional character.. the girls in this forum are defending Arnav the fictional character.. not a real person..

so your following point is moot:

But dear khushi is a fictional character...girls in this forum are real human beings...

So are you saying that girls will fall for ruthless,abusive,heartless guy...

Quote

sonapari

@sonapari

Dazzler

+ 2

Posted: 12 years ago

#44

Originally posted by: aviation-ca
Guys.. that was my point exactly.. it is because Khushi loves Arnav despite his faults, we too extend that to Arnav..

You are talking about Arnav a fictional character, Khushi another fictional character.. the girls in this forum are defending Arnav the fictional character.. not a real person..

so your following point is moot:
But dear khushi is a fictional character...girls in this forum are real human beings...
So are you saying that girls will fall for ruthless,abusive,heartless guy...

arre yaar ...real human beings are saying that they want to marry a guy like ASR in real life...

so though ASR is a fictional character what impresses girls about him that's what i want to understand ...

why would real girls want to fall for controlfreak,abusive guy...😕

Edited by sonapari - 12 years ago

Quote

-sanika-

@-sanika-

Dazzler

+ 2

Posted: 12 years ago

#45

Originally posted by: sonapari

sorry honey...
i thought you said you like ruthless,powerful,heartless people ...right?
so who else than gandhi & hitler to symbolize two different sides of coin?
i love open & honest pov ...http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a3/Gandhi_to_Hitler.jpg
so i am sorry if i offended you...
that wasn't my intention...
you don't like khushi because she puts efforts in selfless acts which don't bring in any result...right?
you admire ruthless,heartless asr so i thought you like all people who wants to be in control all the time...
may be i didn't understand yaar...
but we can have discussion as long as we don't personal...
so tell me one more time...why my analogy offended you so much...

I didn't find your analogy offensive. I just don't get into pointless discussions. I see no logical premise for your assumptions about me. One thing I detest is lack of logic. I find that more irritating than people swearing at me.

Since you were so interested, having read both Mein Kampf and An experiment with Truth, I am well equipped to handle a debate over Hitler vs Gandhi scenario. We shall discuss more, when you give it a go as well. 😊 They are really interesting books. On doing so, you will realise that Hitler did have some good aspects where as Gandhi had his dark side. Like every other human being. For you kind information, Gandhi fell into the ruthless, heartless category as well according to some people, especially by his very own son. Whom will you believe more, his kith or kin or the people who probably saw him giving some speech? What made Gandhi important? The results he derived. Do you remember the names of everyone who fought for the freedom struggle? I don't. That is because only the leaders are remembered even though they didn't achieve the success on their own. Also, one very interesting historical fact : Gandhi and Hitler were friends:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a3/Gandhi_to_Hitler.jpg

Coming back to IPK since it is a IPK forum, me not liking Khushi is not equivalent to me disliking her. In maths, there is a number zero, discovered by Aryabhatt. She simply doesn't interest me. Because, she doesn't have the qualities I admire. To put it into even simpler words for your understanding, I do not like the taste of fish or strawberries. Must be something in my tongue receptors because of which I cannot enjoy its taste.But there are many who do. Who is correct in this scenario?

It is okay to like different stuff. Variety is the spice of life as they say. If everybody liked the same things, life would be extremely boring.

Edited by -sanika- - 12 years ago

Quote

RandomSquared

@RandomSquared

Sparkler

+ 3

Posted: 12 years ago

#46

And also, Arnav is the ideal anti-hero. Like you said, he is abusive, he crude, he's angry and egoistic. In reality it would be hard for any woman to live with a man like him. But that is the beauty of it...finding moments when he puts gold coins in the detergent to make Khushi happy, or when he serves Khushi's family members during Payal's wedding. Somehow because he is all those horrible things mentioned before when a woman finds humanity and kindness within that, it amplifies. It becomes almost like a challenge where one tries to find more humanity and more kindness. And at one point you get a horrible Arnav who foreces you to marry him...and then you get an Arnav you defends you in front of everyone declares his love for you and marries you again. Women love the chase. I mean, this isn't the first time. Throughout literary history the anti-hero has always been the object of a woman's desire. One always wants what is bad for them.

And finally people defend Arnav because despite all his flaws he is a good man. And wish Khushi's help, he is learning to be better. And like i said before...he we dont like Arnav its gets hard to watch a show that is 50% about him and 50% about Khushi.

Quote

aviation-ca

@aviation-ca

Voyager

+ 4

Posted: 12 years ago

#47

Sonapari..

arre yaar ...real human beings are saying that they want to marry a guy like ASR in real life...

so though ASR is a fictional character what impresses girls about him that i want to understand ...

why would real girls want to fall for controlfreak,abusive guy...😕

Very thoughtful question.. Let me break it down into 2 parts...

Fiction part

This story is being unfolded almost from Khushi's point of view.. it is almost her story... if you remember from the beginning Khushi is repelled by him/his action.. yet almost as soon as she comes to this conclusion... she sees another facet of his personality.. and she is left wondering.. in one of the episodes.. she mutters who is this person, a prince or shythan... the more she comes to know him.. she finds there are more layers to get through.. and most of all she really starts to understand why he is like this.. it is not malice on his part... it is a deep rooted defensive mechanism... the more closer she starts to get to him.. the more repulsive his actions...

Thus viewers are also paralleling this track.. in fact we know more than Khushi.. we knew his deep wound.. where his ruthlessness is coming from.. and as I mentioned.. we women are tenderhearted.. we seeing someone hurting.. our instinct is to make it better... that is why we have sympathy towards Arnav.. a girl like Khushi loves him so there must be something worth while in him.. this is as far as the fictional character in this drama goes..

Real life question of:

why would real girls want to fall for controlfreak,abusive guy

I am sure if real "stable" girl does come across a really abusive guy.. she would not fall for him.. and that would be my advice to them.. in a person has malice (whether the guy (or gal)) that person is not stable enough for a relationship... the control freak is a separate matter..

Every relationship/marriage is a equation.. some are balanced.. some are unbalanced.. but each is unique..

So yes, there are women who like their spouse to take care of them.. they want to be dependent and do not mind their husband take charge & be your term control freak...

Just like there are women who like to be in charge.. they want to be control freak.. would like their spouse to be more passive...

Then there are women in the middle.. who want a more equal partnership..

Each of the above scenario works.. as long as you find the correct counterpart so the equation remains balanced...

Since nobody is static thorughout their life.. so too the relationship/marriage.. this too evolves.. every stage of life is a change... there are women who started off being extremely career oriented.. then after kids are happily staying home and content being a housewife... similarly there are women who not satisfied being housewife later on pursued either business or some profession...

I hope this gives you an idea of what I am trying to convey...

To finish off this longish post.. I again reteriate:

A while back there was a thread about who you want as your husband, ASR or Barun.. my take was,..

if you want ASR, be prepared to be the one to comprise, more flexible.. be prepared to make him #1 in your life.. not your family, not your friends... he has to be your priority.. if this is not you, don't wish for it..

if you want a hubby who is sociable... who can accept not being your only priority... who can occasinaly take a back seat.. let you drive (figuratively) where your family, friends become his family & friends.. wish for Barun..

Edited by aviation-ca - 12 years ago

Quote

aviation-ca

@aviation-ca

Voyager

+ 4

Posted: 12 years ago

#48

I think one line answer to:

Sanu the question she is asking Y girls defend him

because we know he is not acting out of malice.. unlike Shyam who while on surface charming acts with malice..

This is parallel to P&P.. Arnav is Mr. Darcy.. aloof, full of pride.. until the right woman came along.. Shyam is Mr. Wickham.. full of charm.. yet runining everyone around him...

As Mr. Darcy said to Miss Elizabeth Bennet:

''I certainly have not the talent which some people possess,'' said Darcy, ''of conversing easily with those I have never seen before. I cannot catch their tone of conversation, or appear interested in their concerns, as I often see done.''

Quote

sonapari

@sonapari

Dazzler

+ 2

Posted: 12 years ago

#49

Originally posted by: -sanika-

I didn't find your analogy offensive. I just don't get into pointless discussions. I see no logical premise for your assumptions about me. One thing I detest is lack of logic. I find that more irritating than people swearing at me.

Since you were so interested, having read both Mein Kampf and An experiment with Truth, I am well equipped to handle a debate over Hitler vs Gandhi scenario. We shall discuss more, when you give it a go as well. 😊 They are really interesting books. On doing so, you will realise that Hitler did have some good aspects where as Gandhi had his dark side. Like every other human being. For you kind information, Gandhi fell into the ruthless, heartless category as well according to some people, especially by his son.

Coming back to IPK since it is a IPK forum, me not liking Khushi is not equivalent to me disliking her. In maths, there is a number zero, discovered by Aryabhatt. She simply doesn't interest me. Because, she doesn't have the qualities I admire. To put it into even simpler words for your understanding, I do not like the taste of fish or strawberries. Must be something in my tongue receptors because of which I cannot enjoy its taste.But there are many who do. Who is correct in this scenario?

It is okay to like different stuff. Variety is the spice of life as they say. If everybody liked the same things, life would be extremely boring.

what a coincidence...

i also don't like strawberries...😆

Arre yaar,every human has faults...

tell me how logical is it to force someone into marrying you?

wouldn't a smart guy try to find out truth first?

in history of ipkknd there are many illogical things.

but biggest of them is after terrace scene asr forces khushi into marriage...

why?isn't it better to find out truth first?

i mean logical guy would have analyzed situation,applied some brains & would have thought it through...

another thing is his emotional outbursts...

he just takes his anger out on people as if they are not humans...

so being smart means being in control of your emotions...

but so called smart,logical guy is never in control of his emotions...

i don't think his behaviour is logical...

he doesn't interest me because i love ,admire,adore selfless people like khushi...

she is in love with him despite all his faults...that speaks volume about who she is...

though in real life i won't wish anybody being in relationship with ruthless,cruel,heartless guy...

it's like smoking...

when a filmy hero smokes...you feel he is so cool...(i used to think so when i was teenager)...

when you see someone smoking in real life ...it disgusts you...

so it took me so many years to understand all these things...

because one of my close frds sister was a victim of an abusive husband...

we attended that wedding...

we used to get feeling that something wasn't right in my frd's life...

never thought it would be about her sister...

one day her uncle came to hostel to pick her up...

after two days read in newspaper that her sister was poorly treated...

it has left me with so much hurt...pain...

after few yrs somebody told me ...my frd's sister was illtreated since day 1...

her husband was very goodlooking... an industraialist in our region...i think an AC manufacturing company...

it was love marriage...

he kept taunting her for not being rich,pretty ...

she was subjected to burns...

he never allowed her to meet with her parents...

so so sad yaar...

it affected me so much ,i was just 19 at that time...

so it's a living hell marrying a controlfreak husband...she paid the price for it...it might look cool on tv...but it's sad when it happens in real life...

in no way i am comparing asr to that freak ...plz don't get me wrong...

asr is a control freak too but the guy has heart...since getting kidnapped he is a changed man...