remarriage and its 'rightness'...note added pg 12

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try as i might, and i have tried pretty hard given my deep regard and love for this show, i have failed to accept the idea of remarriage.

i understand many here will not agree with me, and that's fine. these are our individual opinions, you and i both have a right to ours. i am writing here to place a point of view, because i feel iss pyaar ko deserves this and also to have an open discussion if anyone feels like it.

i fully appreciate that often in a serial the tracks have to adapt and change course for n number of reasons. actor's needs, viewership needs, channel needs, several things affect the show. which is why, that not very well thought out kidnapping track didn't really bother me. even till now so much remains unexplained. why did shyam kidnap asr in the first place? how could four unauthorised men just walk into the secured area of an international airport? what did they say to him that he agreed to leave with them? and more lately, how come no one at home, including his devoted elder sister ever asked him a single question about the kidnapping, his state of mind, health, nothing.

no matter. we all know why the track had to be devised. and perhaps some day the loose ends will be tied up neatly. even if they aren't i'll move on, telling myself life is often like that. messy, not everything gets a well crafted denouement.

but the marriage on the night of 17 february is different.

a man and a woman stood before god (for that meant something to her) and fire, the supreme witness. mantras chanted in the background. he put two signs of marriage on her, a mangalsutra and sindoor, they came home and he declared they were married. after which they lived together for nearly six months, ending up sleeping on the same bed, defending each other with their life and honour. falling deeply in love, referring to each other as pati and patni.

the marriage was not consummated. but it was still a marriage. and if it wasn't how come it graduated to the level of intimacy it did with both openly acknowledging the relationship? and no one questioning it? from mooh dikhai to griha pravesh to suhaag raat to symbolic cooking for the family, all the rituals were observed. everybody accepted them as husband and wife.

yes, he had coerced her into marrying him. and no, in the strictest sense of the word it was not right of him to do so. but that is the crux of this relationship, it grew despite everything, even extreme distrust and near hatred. try as they might, and both did their best, they couldn't stay away from each other. the mangalsuttra and sindoor she took under duress in tears and shock, shivering with the horror of unfolding events, she came to wear them with love and deep feelings for the man she loved.

you may ask so what's the legal status of the marriage? my little reading tells me that the gandharva practice of hindu marriage (one of eight practices, all legally acceptable under certain circumstances) which requires not much more than a private ceremony between two people is still considered valid as long as there's evidence in the form of pictures and/or a period of cohabitation between the couple and acceptance by the family and neighbours of the marriage itself. in case some one wishes to challenge this, the onus is on them to prove the marriage is not legal. if the things i mentioned earlier exist, the law tends to judge in favour of maintaining not destroying the marriage.

but law is complicated. anything can be made into anything.

what bothers me more is that we all know they are indeed married, that mangalsutra and sindoor khushi wears even now says that to me. the game they play about is she his or not, "hum toh aap hi ke hain," says that to me. the fact that since 17 february i haven't heard anyone scream hey! these guys are not married, so how come they are living together says that to me. now she realises how another crucial (to her) ceremony designed by destiny and their intense relationship happened before devi maiyya, and she has been his "tab se," oh that says many things to me.

we will discover practically all the rasams have been done by them in the guise of something else. perhaps only pheras remain. but does that need a second obviously observed wedding full of rituals? is it right to be doing so? so the presence of god and fire (and legal nod if needed) mean nothing?

what bothered khushi was his bringing up of the contract the night di tried to abort her child. arnav lost his temper, as is his wont, badly with khushi. said horroiible things. realised his mistake. came back and tried to apologise. khushi was too hurt and understandably so. she wouldn't listen, insisted on leaving. failing to dissuade her, he brought up the contract forcing her to complete its terms and stay till it ended.

we know why he did it. but she didn't. and the very mention of a thing that made her commitment into a temporary affair, almost making a mockery of her love and sacrifice for him, enraged her, pained her unbearably. also understandable.

he pursued her, did all he could, there was anger, passion, hatred, then finally love, deep and flowing.

no, they didn't have the perfect marriage, but marriage it was. otherwise khushi would have no compunction to remove the sindoor and mangalsutra would she? arnav wouldn't say before all he is willing to marry his wife again, would he. question is, is this remarriage ethical?

to put khushi's mind at rest and to bring a sense of "mangal" to their union after all the harrowing events of the past months, couldn't a deeper more meaningful ceremony be conceived. a private recommitment with members of family present? i can imagine a beautiful iss pyaar ko moment, an arnav khushi uniquesness to it: under the stars (their parents as they both now believe), exchanging of garlands maybe, arnav giving his mother's bangles to her, taking the blessings of the elders... later at night, by the poolside reading his mother's letter, just the two of them. and to put everyone's mind at ease a registering of their marriage.

is a big loud indian wedding necessary or even right?

it feels awfully un-ipk for one. also seems the creatives are rushing through it "karke khatam kjaro," attitude. why am i getting the feeling, in a bid to please everyone, many rituals with big jewellery and heavy zari lehengas and saris will be done but in the end there will be yet another impediment to their wedding, and the 17th february marriage will remain their only one for the time being, pleasing no one, yet doing all the rituals in a "done" sort of way.

iss pyaar ko gave me arnav singh raizada, an outstanding character, an iconoclast. he has taken his mother's name for his own reasons, he does not believe in god but has a strong sense of ethics and a great capacity to love, he is intelligent, fearless, responsible, handsome but also nasty, with huge anger issues, uncaring at times, autocratic often. he is a man with a past that has shaped him, end result: fabulous being, impossibly sexy, good bad all included.

then there's the one of a kind khushi. sankadevi, jhalli nonpareil, spunky, gutsy, funny, loving, strong, darti hai par karti hai, innocent, clear hearted, brave intrinsically, highly ethical, believer of god and tradition, generous, a character with immense potential. an iconoclast in her own way, doing things she believes should be done.

both are orphans, broken in their own ways. people say they are opposite in character, but are they really? important thing is, each has what it takes to make the other feel a little less broken.

there is nothing about them i'd like to see drastically changed. yes, asr will learn to release the huge love within him thanks to khushi. but then it is not a newly acquired trait, it's within him already. and khushi will learn to evolve through her love, but not become another animal.

as this whole remarriage gets going, i notice subtle changes that i can't say i really enjoy. asr is suddenly too sweet. khushi's smile has an uncharacteristic know all feel to it.

perhaps what is not right does this to us. we can't really stay honest and feel our way through it.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I think I have said it before and I am saying it again...I was never in favour of a big fat Indian Wedding!!For me Arshi are different,period..They are not cliched...they always had their own ways..and I always felt..contrary to popular belief..Khushi never wanted a big fat wedding..She wanted and desired love..tenderness...family blessings..and above all..a loving and caring husband...And after kidnapping track...slowly..she was getting all of them...And she was happy...

But to bring past into the picture...Somehow this whole idea was tampered with...Suddenly Khushi remembering about pheras...It was weird..IMO!!I'd have been a happy soul if they had consummated their marriage before this grand wedding!!

But all said and done..I have a firm belief..all will not be well..Nothing in Arhi's life has been mushy..and I feel this wedding too won't see a bright daylight!!And sadistic I might sound..I am happy that there'll be troubles ahead..I never wanted all to end on a cheesy note...Arhi has been unique and somehow..all will be unique!!

And as for Khushi's sudden saccharine nature..yeah..it is strange to an extent..But these two characters have come a long way..And I still feel they are very much in character..A certain raksha-dhaga or a sweet conversation over phone are not hefty enough to change the nature of a person like ASR...And as I said above..This sweetness and sense of bliss...When have they lasted long in Arhi's life??So I have decided to bask in this sense of new found love as long as it exists!!
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Again, you said it perfectly! Really, I know they put the big fat wedding track for TRPs sake! But, I think it is pretty evident that it is not doing the magic! In order to incorporate this track, they are creating so many loopholes and unanswered questions! (for example, why can't Shashi attend their wedding rituals while he attended all at Payal's wedding! I mean wasn't he supposed tone getting better!). These are unanswered qsns are just piling up and detract from the charm of the show! I really wanted them not to buck to the pressure of showing a " big wedding"and show them committing to each other privately!
But, I must disagree with you on one point. I think the 21 aug episode was good..especially the phone conversation! I think at least there they retained the essence of the two characters..but also showed that their relationship has grown to a point where they feel comfortable talking like this to each other!
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Posted: 12 years ago
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That was so wonderfully articulated. To give legal status to marriages, most Indian states these days require you to register your marriage, no matter how many big, fat rituals you have. So, I think it doesn't matter so much if you missed a ritual or two. But that is just me.

But I am also troubled by how suddenly this marriage no longer being valid was brought up as a plot device and the whole chastity and good-Indian-girl notions got bandied around. I understand the viewership compulsions, but frankly, that is just being dishonest to your story. And this wedding is so half-arsed as of now (the bride won't even get fancy clothes), how is it going to even get appreciation with the fantasy audience??
A private ceremony - tum, main aur taare would have been memorable. Perfect. But then again, why am I seeking that in a daily soap which (understandably) puts viewership compulsions ahead of aesthetic storytelling.
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Originally posted by: sampin

I think I have said it before and I am saying it again...I was never in favour of a big fat Indian Wedding!!For me Arshi are different,period..They are not cliched...they always had their own ways..and I always felt..contrary to popular belief..Khushi never wanted a big fat wedding..She wanted and desired love..tenderness...family blessings..and above all..a loving and caring husband...And after kidnapping track...slowly..she was getting all of them...And she was happy...


But to bring past into the picture...Somehow this whole idea was tampered with...Suddenly Khushi remembering about pheras...It was weird..IMO!!I'd have been a happy soul if they had consummated their marriage before this grand wedding!!

But all said and done..I have a firm belief..all will not be well..Nothing in Arhi's life has been mushy..and I feel this wedding too won't see a bright daylight!!And sadistic I might sound..I am happy that there'll be troubles ahead..I never wanted all to end on a cheesy note...Arhi has been unique and somehow..all will be unique!!

And as for Khushi's sudden saccharine nature..yeah..it is strange to an extent..But these two characters have come a long way..And I still feel they are very much in character..A certain raksha-dhaga or a sweet conversation over phone are not hefty enough to change the nature of a person like ASR...And as I said above..This sweetness and sense of bliss...When have they lasted long in Arhi's life??So I have decided to bask in this sense of new found love as long as it exists!!


hi sampin.
thanks so much for going through that long post of mine. i have read before your reservations about the big wedding. i also feel all will not go smoothly. in red, i felt the same way. it all felt wromg somehow.

i absolutely take your point about the two of them coming a long way. adored his sorry and thank you, thrilled with his man in charge of rituals being conducted properly, that's what khushi wants and he'll make sure it goes right. gorgeous and most asr. love the phone conversation and the sense of bliss hanging around. but khushi's smile is looking a tad smug, a bit, dare i say it, akshara-ish. asr is still asr, but i do miss his frown i do, so please bring shyam back or let dadi go off on a tangent, need that man's khadoos look also. too much sweetness might kill me. 😆
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Wow di... that was so beautifully written...and havent I said it whenever I read your thoughts.. I am glad that you shared this with forum... As it needed to reach many people.. I echo your sentiments regarding whole remarriage thing ..I have also so much to rant so bear with me😆...
I always wanted khushi to have her dream wedding but that was only because she had her dreams for it and I wanted arnav to give her back her dreams.. That wedding which I thought was not the one they are showing now... Reasons for it are totally different and claiming that they were not married all these 6 months 😲 just had it enough for me... Sindoor and MS are biggest symbols of marriage in our culture and this man in presence of God puts sindoor and MS on her and they are witnessed by God.. More than that..they have been together as husband -wife for almost 6 months.They shared room and even bed.. how can just not doing some rituals nullyfy everything that they did for each other as husband-wife.. By naming this as Avaid Rishta,Cvs have insulted their love all along for me... This show was unique for me as it has been out of league but sorry to say this whole stuff was so much SPish that they showed...
Have lot in mind to write but will say you put that in better words than me...
Thanks a lot for this post and PM!!😳
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Falciparum

Again, you said it perfectly! Really, I know they put the big fat wedding track for TRPs sake! But, I think it is pretty evident that it is not doing the magic! In order to incorporate this track, they are creating so many loopholes and unanswered questions! (for example, why can't Shashi attend their wedding rituals while he attended all at Payal's wedding! I mean wasn't he supposed tone getting better!). These are unanswered qsns are just piling up and detract from the charm of the show! I really wanted them not to buck to the pressure of showing a " big wedding"and show them committing to each other privately!

But, I must disagree with you on one point. I think the 21 aug episode was good..especially the phone conversation! I think at least there they retained the essence of the two characters..but also showed that their relationship has grown to a point where they feel comfortable talking like this to each other!


hi falciparum,

thanks for reading and good to see you. i quite enjoyed both 20th and 21st aug episodes really. especially the parts that truly matter to me, the interaction between arnav and khushi. the thak you on 20th was spectacular for me. on 21st, i loved the phonee conversation. so lover like. many of us have done things like that i'm sure. his move from very asr crisp clear, no nonsense, to flirtatious and teasing was delicious and she felt quite like her old self.

i am also quite looking forward to the story of the past and garima's involvement in it as well as the impact it will have on the two of them. just sensed unfamiliar sweetness and wondered about it. hope i'm reading too much into it. 😉
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hi sampin.
thanks so much for going through that long post of mine. i have read before your reservations about the big wedding. i also feel all will not go smoothly. in red, i felt the same way. it all felt wromg somehow.

i absolutely take your point about the two of them coming a long way. adored his sorry and thank you, thrilled with his man in charge of rituals being conducted properly, that's what khushi wants and he'll make sure it goes right. gorgeous and most asr. love the phone conversation and the sense of bliss hanging around. but khushi's smile is looking a tad smug, a bit, dare i say it, akshara-ish. asr is still asr, but i do miss his frown i do, so please bring shyam back or let dadi go off on a tangent, need that man's khadoos look also. too much sweetness might kill me. 😆

I agree...Khushi is smiling a lot these days!!And too sweet for my taste..But then again..I am sure..this smile..in fact neither of their smiles won't last long!!😆

PS:If you don't mind..call me Sam..That's what my friends here call me!!😳
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Originally posted by: riti4u

Wow di... that was so beautifully written...and havent I said it whenever I read your thoughts.. I am glad that you shared this with forum... As it needed to reach many people.. I echo your sentiments regarding whole remarriage thing ..I have also so much to rant so bear with me😆...

I always wanted khushi to have her dream wedding but that was only because she had her dreams for it and I wanted arnav to give her back her dreams.. That wedding which I thought was not the one they are showing now... Reasons for it are totally different and claiming that they were not married all these 6 months 😲 just had it enough for me... Sindoor and MS are biggest symbols of marriage in our culture and this man in presence of God puts sindoor and MS on her and they are witnessed by God.. More than that..they have been together as husband -wife for almost 6 months.They shared room and even bed.. how can just not doing some rituals nullyfy everything that they did for each other as husband-wife.. By naming this as Avaid Rishta,Cvs have insulted their love all along for me... This show was unique for me as it has been out of league but sorry to say this whole stuff was so much SPish that they showed...
Have lot in mind to write but will say you put that in better words than me...
Thanks a lot for this post and PM!!😳


hey riti,
thanks dear for coming and being so full of praise for the writing 😆always too kind. you know, i did not want to rant, because this show is v v important to me. so i let it stay in me for a while. but 8 days on, i am still uncomfortable, so thought i'd say my bit. maybe some good will come of it. as you say, if asr gave khushi the wedding she dreamt of because he wanted to and it was done with asr taste, that would be quite something else, wouldn't it. i can imagine me like this😍 and this 😍 and this too 😍 for a very very long time to come.

edited: that avaidh rishta in bold, i also feel 😡
Edited by indi52 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: sampin


I agree...Khushi is smiling a lot these days!!And too sweet for my taste..But then again..I am sure..this smile..in fact neither of their smiles won't last long!!😆

PS:If you don't mind..call me Sam..That's what my friends here call me!!😳


hey sam,
thanks for that. and boy, you are mean. me love it. need that drama, now that we know they're madly in love with each other, bring on the smile wipers. 😆

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