Clearing some misconceptions about redemption - Page 19

Originally posted by: rima

If there is one word which is used and abused in the forum it is 'redemption'

Whenever people say they want redemption from ASR there is always one more set of camp who says 'We don't want ASR to cry'

'We don't want ASR to be Devdas'

'We don't want ASR to say sorry. He has already done enough'

'Why is redemption needed? Hasn't ASR suffered enough?'

'Khushi has also made mistakes'

'khushi herself doesn't want it'

"I loved him because he was my friend, but also because he was a good man, maybe even a great man. And this is what I want you to understand, that good, real good, was born out of your father's remorse. Sometimes, I think everything he did, feeding the poor on the streets, building the orphanage, giving money to friends in need, it was all his way of redeeming himself. And that, I believe, is what true redemption is, Amir jan, when guilt leads to good." ' Rahim Khan's letter to Amir .

Forgive me But I just could not resist, These lines are from one of the modern humanist novel of recent times, I am sure every body must have guessed by now that this book is intense, poignant and it explores deep feelings of redemption and regret.

Look at the last line carefully, where Rahim Khan in his letter had said about redemption.

"What true redemption is when guilt leads to good".

Now isn't that right?

For a person to redeem the most important factor is for him to realize the guilt.

Guilt is foremost , Now tell me Has Arnav felt any guilt?

He felt guilty when he had realized that he was the major reason for Payal's broken marriage and we all did appreciate it when he apologized to Payal for breaking her marriage and even accepted his responsibility for stalling Khushi's arrival back to her home that day.

It was his guilt which made him apologize that day .

He needs to feel that "guilt" but here what he is feeling is satisfaction .

After that 12th july outburst, if you hear his monologue correctly he said that he has wronged Khushi in many ways but he will win her back .

Now when you generally wrong a person the first thing you do is apologize for your wrong doings...Isnt this what ppl do ?

Well yes...In the peculiar case of ASR did anyone see any apology?

Did he for even once felt the need to even utter a single word of apology ...NO, he just jumped to buying expensive gifts, then buying chana, jalebi and a poster.

Now ASR phangurls will say that buying stuff like this is ASR's way of apology because he is a complex man .

Ok , so he is a complex man ...I get it but he was also averse to love in the start of this show right?

So what brought this change in this complex man?

How did he fall in love and finally surrendered to his feelings?

How will people judge his complexity now?

Complex...Bhaat rubbish?

If he can apologize to his sister innumerable times and baby his pathetic excuse of an elder sister all day , then can freaking say sorry to his wife who almost died to save his sorry ass.

Well, well, well...

First about ASR crying

ASr cried for his di,

ASR cried after terrace scene,

ASR cried for his mom,

He almost cried for Khushi when he thought she is dead...

So he is capable of crying and we are capable of accepting him crying.

So will it hurt to see two drops of tears (Ok even one or may be a droplet😊) having Flashbacks of how he called Khushi characterless and threw her stars and how he threw her to the pool side etc? Come on ek droplet to banta hai boss so what if he has made her smile recently. He has made her cry so many times.

Ok, So ASR doesnt cry, his lacrimal gland is only active when it comes to his Poojali , mother , granny and once in a blue moon -Khushi.

He cried when he thought that Khushi betrayed him , but he can't cry now when he actually finds out that the poor girl has just been the victim of his stupid misunderstanding.

He was teary eyed when he was bestowing birthday wishes to his sleeping wife, but he can't cry for ruining her life, her dreams, for killing the budding love between them,for calling her characterless, for calling her gold digger, for dragging her and forcibly marrying her and so many other things.

There are only so many things that a woman can take.

Women are emotionally stronger than men and they have a forgiving heart but does that mean that you can beat it, abuse it and play with it according to your whim and fancy?

About ASR turning into Devdas

When ASR ran after the ambulance and kept hurting over the terrace scene he was Devdas and we did accept it. Now do we want ASR to have a drink in his hand and seek a Chandramukhi to relieve his pain? 😃 Defenitely no

ASR can never be a Devdas, Devdas was a tragic hero and an iconic character, the depth of his character cannot be compared with ASR.

ASR can never be a tragic hero even if he wants to. ASR is an Anti hero.

Devdas was doomed , ASR is not , he has a chance ,Devdas never had.

All we want is for him to realize that one innocent life and the dreams got lost because of him...something he seems to realize a little already. But if he gives her the dream marriage then he will return her dreams and dignity. Why her dreams, they are his dreams too. What is wrong in restoring dreams? Or for that matter what is wrong in realizing mistakes? That is the first thing towards maturity...when you realize you are wrong. I would say ASR is becoming more mature by admitting his mistakes and not becoming a Devdas

Each and every woman dreams of her wedding for god knows how many years before she actually gets married,I also did.

So did Khushi.

What happened to her dreams? What happened to her dignity?

They were shattered.

Now if someone broke your dreams and asked you to settle for lessthen how would ASR phangurls feel then?

Is restoring someone's happiness a sign of weakness?

ASR proclaims to love Khushi , shouldn't he be the one to restore all her dreams?

Isn't that what spouses and loved ones do?

Why cant ASR realise that?

Is he too thick skinned ? Am I asking a rhetorical question?LOL

Redemption not needed because he has suffered

Of course he suffered. He has loved the girl and almost agonized over the fact that she is his Di ki saut and she loved another man.

He saved her from goons and now he is protecting her and giving her love in his own way.

People say ASR speaks through his actions

Didi ki saut was an unacceptable title ,even CV's realized that and changed the titile to Iss pyaar ko kya naam doon?

If creatives can realise that it is an unacceptable title then why can't they realize that it is also unacceptable as the content of this show .

Now coming to ASR's so called actions.

Were his actions right when he let Khushi fall from the first floor of his office?

That code of conduct even ousted the basic humanity quotient in a person,Now can we judge him by his actions ?

But, but, but...when he told her she is characterless, or threw her out to the pool side or said he wished he had never met her or faught with her after Heer Rabjha...he was inflicting his pain on her.

ASR suffers from major bipolarity.

When in the past it suited him he played the husband -wife card and when it did not suit him he went back to being rude, arrogant and irrational.

After the heer ranjha act he went all "I -don't -know -what- you -are -talking- about -I- was- just- acting" on Khushi when she questioned his intentions on the stage.

And after that when he saw Shyam and Khushi together ,he went all medieval on her and asked her about her whereabouts because she was his wife and he demands to know where she was and what was she doing.

Bloody double standards.

So you see he took out his pain on her, whereas Khushi has not been able to and that is why Khushi's pain needs an outlet through more nice gestures and some equally nice words from him.

Come on. It is the same person right? If he can say bitter things will saying nice things change his character? No

If he can be sweet to his sister , then he can say nice words to Khushi too, after all they both are the most important people in his life...or so he says.

Khushi has made mistakes too

Sure she has. She hid Shyam's truth...but for his sister and she suffered both from Shyam and ASR

Khushi gave him public bath, deprived him of food and played so many pranks on ASR...sure she did...but anyone in her place could have actually done worse. But she did not.

Do you know when you shoot in self defence it deserves lesser punishment in legal courts? Like that Khushi was lashing out after being hurt, but she never inflicted the first wound

Khushi has made so many mistakes that now even I have lost count.

Her biggest mistake is that she is overly selfless and a kind and gentle soul.

Her second mistake is that she fell in love with ASR.

Be it hiding the truth of Shyam or any other thing that she has done, it is all because of these two mistakes, her golden heart and her love for ASR.

She made ASR bath publicly so?

ASR has done worse.

Khushi herslef doesn't want it

Sure she doesn't. She has a large heart. She has forgiven and forgotten.

She loves him. She will forgive him a 100001 wounds. And that is the way it should be. Holding grudges is not love

Ya right, now people will say that a woman is raped because she calls for it,or that a wife is beaten because she wants to be.

No woman can call or want for any of these things, they are inflicted upon them, some suppress it , but those who are strong come together and raise their voices against it.

Khushi is not demanding her pound of flesh..I dont know why?CV'S please answer .

I know she loves him and all but I have this feeling that soon she is gonna burst because ASR can test anyone's patience.

But, but ,but ...we are the viewers. Imagine a child being beaten by his parents regularly. The parents forget. The child also forgets after they give him some lollipops. But if you watched the scene you will feel bad for the child. You would want the child to be loved more, pampered more, understood more...

That is what is happening to viewers. Anyone wanting redemption is not an ASR hater, but simply a human being wanting to see some joy and justice done to a suffering human being

I love ASR just like any other phangurl( Okay, a little bit less) but I am not blind to his faults in the same way I am not blind to my own faults.

He is one of the best characters ever developed on Indian TV and people often compare him to Heathcliff and Darcy.

All these men had faults, unfortunately Catherine left Heathcliff but Darcy was able to redeem himself.

His famous words to Elizabeth were "By you, I was properly humbled".

Now tell me what do people want ASR to become -Heathcliff or Darcy?

You don't need a microscope to see his faults...They are right there staring back at ya.

If I want happiness and joy for the character I love the most in this show then what is wrong in that?

So those who say they are ASR lovers in wanting no redemption are totally wrong.

I find myself a bigger ASR lover in wanting to correct himself, evolve, mature and become the superb person that we can all adore. That will not ruin his character at all. He can still fight with Khushi over other things or be strong with others like Mami. Don't tell me he can be ASR only if he is mean to Khushi.

ASR is still repairable, he can mold , evolve and become the true raajkumar for Khushi if CV's let him.

It would be a delight to watch ,how a man is changed by love and how love will change a bitter, aloof and angry tortured man to a delightful ,caring and a lovable man.

It will not be character ruination , it will be a character evolution.

Tell me who loves him more? People who want him to be loved by becoming better or people who want him to be just as he is and keep on making mistakes for which he will be bashed?

So the whole logic of who loves ASR more is debatable...one love is like a mother's love that corrects the child and the other is like a spoiling mother who does not correct the child

PS: ASR is the best fictional character I have seen on TV. He is like Heathcliff of Wuthering Heights. But Heathcliff never corrected himself and became a villian. But ASR is capable of great love and compassion and he is capable of evolution

Originally posted by: Firebolt

Unfortunately we can't do anything about that. It's her brain child.

I am always a fan of Gul Khan first and then and only after her am i a fan of Arnav and Khushi. As a writer i'm sure she doesn't want to watch her story go down the drain. I think this track is looking good. Arnav is changing. The regret will come slowly. Why judge something that has just begun?

I will wait for redemption. I don't think Gul will disappoint.

Originally posted by: Didikisaut

It is rude but 100% true.

just take a look at last week Khushi was brought by nani and Anjali to teach LA about Indian traditions and now she doesn't know the importance of pheras.

It is happening regularly

I think that was because she was trying very hard to forget her marriage night that it slipped her mind.

Right now the only thing that will make Khushi look strong is if she walks out of RM. That isn't possible after the dipping TRPs.

But I'm liking what they are showing. Arnav supporting Khushi. Which was what i wanted to see.

Very well said but right now i am more concerned with ASRs past... i hope that they wont kill the show by making Khushi Arnav's half sister like many believe it will turn out to be

Originally posted by: Firebolt

I think that was because she was trying very hard to forget her marriage night that it slipped her mind.

Right now the only thing that will make Khushi look strong is if she walks out of RM. That isn't possible after the dipping TRPs.

But I'm liking what they are showing. Arnav supporting Khushi. Which was what i wanted to see.

Originally posted by: kookie2020

Rima yes that was one of the things that really struck a nerve with me.

But i guess i dont really look as deep as you do. I kind of stopped expecting things a long time ago.

Now i am just a mindless watcher. I ve put too much effort into this show to quit now.

BTW if you like Arnav and Khushi even one percent then the entire credit to Gul and her team. I alwaysremember Khushi in her chikni chameli avatar. Which was her brain child.

Originally posted by: Firebolt

Unfortunately we can't do anything about that. It's her brain child.

I am always a fan of Gul Khan first and then and only after her am i a fan of Arnav and Khushi. As a writer i'm sure she doesn't want to watch her story go down the drain. I think this track is looking good. Arnav is changing. The regret will come slowly. Why judge something that has just begun?

I will wait for redemption. I don't think Gul will disappoint.

Originally posted by: ainimonaya

guys since the day khushboo told that we can give ideas to cvs that will not disturb the story,nd they can only accept a scene request ,or wo b very very very rare chances!

i thought of writing some thing to khushboo, i requested her on behalf of many fans that if cvs have no plan 4 separate redemption track if they want to show only Asrish redemption then can they give us a redemption scene if not whole redemption track.by redemption scene i meant a breaking asr scene,like embulnce nd terrace scene etc,i told her conditions to fit the scene,like dadi insults khushi nd this time khushi is very hurt she ,she doesn't tell any thing to arnav,but arnav alrdy knows all then he drives to some alone place have flash backs of what wrong he has donw with khushi,all old painful scenes of force marriage nd after it,nd there he breaks cries nd regrets for his actions!

khushboo refused to pass it as cvs will not accept a change in story,but i requested her 100000 times for the sake of fans nd she agreed to pass it to cvs,but she clearly told me that they rarely very rarely accept some thing..

p.s..i requested 4 just a breaking asr scene coz that was max i could do/req. as a fan,nd i never want khushi to b insulted 4 a sake of scene but if they accept it nd continue the consistency of the story then this scene will automatically turn in to a small track,as Asr can not be full normal at once after the breaking scene! guys plz pray cvs give a thinking to it! at least a thinking!

Hiru you know my thoughts on that/those damn writers who write disgusting and cringe worthy dialogue from the 19th century. Gul decides the story not the script. Which is just staggeringly bad on some days.

Its just a way to pacify my self love. If i have to continue watching it (god knows im not goin to stop) i have to start being less antagonistic about everything.