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Posted: 13 years ago
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All I know is both have made mistakes.

Khushi by not opening her mouth at the right time and ASR for not letting her know why he is doing this and for whom.

I understand both are coming from and am not looking forward to this track.

To me on Thursday's episode both of them were illogical.

ASR for suggesting such kind of marriage and not letting her know why he is doing this.

Khushi for thinking that Shaym is going to change because of the baby news.

One thing I know for sure, ASR will realize how wrong he was about Khushi.

Khushi will realize how wrong she was about Shaym, hopefully.






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Posted: 13 years ago
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Visited the forum after many days,and read your post first.I'm feeling gud now,that there are still some 'sane' and 'practical' people left here.Hats off!! 👏
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Posted: 13 years ago
#83
I agree...they should not emotional abuse of women...as romance
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Posted: 13 years ago
#84

Originally posted by: misclog2003

Some responded saying I might have been comparing Shyam and ASR. No. Shyam's character is pure vile to me. The actor playing does a decent job, but the character is extremely filthy to me. What I was trying to say was, ASR does not know Shyam and Kushi's ex-fianc was the same. ASR doesn't know Shyam disappeared so many days from house and was a paying guest at Kushi's house. Just wait and watch, Shyam will plant this information in ASR's mind and making it look like and make ASR think, they were carrying this affair from a long time. I wouldn't be surprised if CVs make Kushi utter another insane dialogue and implicate herself further by saying something to Shyam about the days of him being a paying guest. I digress.
I do agree that there might be typical drama-style moments coming up to further the cold misunderstanding between Arnav and Khushi. I'm not too happy about that, but I'm going to give the writers a chance to prove me wrong.
ASR doesn't know Shyam tried to kill Anjali. ASR doesn't know Shyam mandhandles Kushi as well. All ASR knows is Shyam does not value Anjali and his marriage and has made ASR believe his love for Kushi is so intense and obstacle to it is Anjali. That is all ASR knows. Reason I bought, Shyam into the discussion was just to say, as far ASR is concerned, Shyam is just a cheating husband. And is bold enough to announce his love for Kushi.
I think that it's not that simple. When Shyam tossed away his mask and revealed himself, he shocked Arnav beyond words and action. Arnav understands that there's much more to Shyam than meets the eye. Yes, he believes that Shyam is a cheating husband, but he also believes that no one knows the real Shyam. There's a man behind that mask who is the complete opposite of the brother-in-law that Arnav has always known.
This is a huge shock to his system.
Imagine knowing a man for years, trusting him with your sister, admiring him like a father or brother, ask him for advice, respecting him like family - only to find out that it's all a lie, a pretense, and that when confronted with it, the man laughs in your face and humiliates you and your sister without any signs of remorse.
Something is severely wrong about this picture and Arnav being a man of rational thinking and principles needs to understand who Shyam is and punish him for the deception.
For all those who think, and ask, why didn't Kushi ask ASR Why? Why didn't Kushi do X? Really? You expect an 18 year old to have common sense, ask pertinent questions, have a back bone, use logic, tell truth to the Raizadas about their SIL etc etc.
It doesn't require a great deal of common sense, backbone, and logic to ask why. To ask why a man who showed signs of care toward you just hours earlier has suddenly decided to marry you for six months on your sister's wedding night - by blackmail. I mean, the first and most natural question in such a situation would be why.
Even for an eighteen year old. Especially Khushi who is shown to be quite responsible for her age, quite clever for her age. This is the same girl who went to confront her would-be brother-in-law on Payal's first wedding. Her age is hardly an excuse for ignorance.
But where are all these qualifications in a 28 year old ASR and even much older Anjali.
I think that when a man has been emotionally punched several times in one night, he will eventually react without much future-based planning. My theory remains that Arnav was so emotionally exhausted, distressed, and beat-down that he assessed however much he could manage, figuring that he needed to protect Anjali, punish Shyam, and buy time. In addition to that, his emotions seemed to have overwhelmed him and maybe even blocked out reason enough to overshadow any other solutions.
He's human, after all. And a flawed one. If his focus was to protect Anjali and shut Shyam up for challenging/humiliating him and his sister, then marrying Khushi surely took care of that. However reactive and wrong the decision.
Do not bring the excuse Anjali and ASR went through a lot in life. They have each other. They have Nani, brother, Mami, Mama etc. Kushi's parents also died when she was young. Story informed she is an orphan raised by Guptas. She herself knows she is an Orphan. She has gone through that much and more as what ASR or Anjali went through.
But people aren't the same. Their mentality, personality, and nature aren't the same. They deal with trauma in their own ways - some in destructive ways. Khushi's aunt took her in, gave her love and morals and values, raised her like a daughter. She was given the love and safety of a balanced home. Her parents, as far as we know, died in an accident. But Arnav and Anjali's trauma is something else entirely.
Their parents didn't die in an accident. Something else, something horrible happened. We know this because Arnav has issues with his mother abandoning him, and the flashbacks show him screaming for his mother on his sister's wedding day. In addition to that, Arnav and Anjali's family tossed them out on the street. They had only each other. Arnav, being the brother, had the responsibility of protecting his sister. Imagine ending up on the street with nothing and having to protect your sister, rebuild your life on your own as a teen. It's bound to leave scars as well as your family betraying you after the death of your parents.
Arnav and Anjali didn't have the love and safety that Khushi did. And when Nani and the others stepped into the picture, it was too late. They had walled themselves up, closed the door to their private relationship - they trusted only each other. They're more mentally fragile than Khushi. They are more damaged, psychologically, than she is.
Considering all the issues Arnav has (trust issues, abandonment issues, mother issues, etc., etc.,), it shouldn't surprise us that he reacts a certain way or makes a choice that has fatal consequences for everyone involved, yet he doesn't care for anyone but Anjali.
Even with Nani and everyone else around, Arnav hasn't depended on them for support or love or trust. He can't. Because if his father's brother could betray him, then anyone can. Anyone, except Anjali. Because they share a past, a bond, an understanding.
Arnav and Anjali's issues are psychologically rooted deep within them.
This is exactly what I was saying. Why are people expecting mountains out of Kushi, a partly nave, partly confused often strong 18 year old Kushi, but sweep what ASR is doing as love for his sister and his horrible past. Why can we only see ASR's troubled past and understand that. Why can't anyone (who ask why Kushi did not speak up) see Kushi's troubled past?
I think that, personally, I'm fed up with the classic orphan-stories and, especially, female centered ones. I do want to know how Khushi's parents died, and I do feel sad about her pain. But I find Arnav and Anjali's pain and traumatic past much more intriguing in terms of essence and layers and story. Why? Because it has irrevocably damaged them both to an almost extreme point - Anjali with her paranoid ways and weak state of mind, and Arnav with his cold, detached demeanour, calculative demeanour, and inexplainable anger/bitterness. Yet they're both afraid of being alone, of being abandoned, of being unloved.
Khushi, on the other hand, is a positive character full of life and courage and morals. She has managed to overcome her past. Her fears aren't extreme. She deals with them, isn't afraid of admitting them. This makes her strong, capable of coping, of beating the past - even when thinking of it makes her sad.
It's the broken people that I want to save, to watch redeem themselves, find love, etc. Not the ones who actually rest in themselves but stumble upon hardships that are sometimes a result of their own choices.
I love Khushi. In fact, she's the first female character on TV that I have loved. But she will be okay because she's strong. It's the weak ones I worry about.
I hope that none of my writing sounded harsh. I enjoy debating with you very much. Thank you for sharing your thoughts 😊😳

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Posted: 13 years ago
#85

Originally posted by: misclog2003

Disclaimer :

I am attempting to commit forum suicide with this post. But please read this with an open mind.

I am not writing this to sensationalize anything. I have utmost respect and admirations for BS and SI. They are definitely two of the top 5 actors in Telly Land ' for me. They keep exchanging number 1 rank for me ' in my mind.

My negativity is also not against any post, poster, CVs etc.

Only point I am trying to make is, can't every coin have two sides.

Sorry if I ruffled any feathers. If people think, I should keep my opinions to myself or get lost from the forum. So be it. But I had to say this and I did.


😔 Why do we have to keep apologising for having views which are different to others?! It's just so sad. We've had lots of people give us definitions of this and that...how about one for 'Forum'...

"A medium for open discussion or voicing of ideas"

Nowhere in this definition does it say 'a medium for lynching people for having differing ideas/opinions".

ANYWAY...back to your post. I'm glad you did say what you said. In my humble view, it was a brilliant post.

As Barun himself has said, IPKKND fans are clever...they can think for themselves and question why some things are the way they are on the show, as in the real world, they don't make sense! BUT this is a fictitious world after all...and I know the family does represent existing views/characteristics but this is ASR we're talking about...someone who has repeatedly said he has 'dimag'.

I've said this already in another post but this is all about setting the scene and making things so rough for Khushi that ASR's will repent big time...and then the whole point of this show...the angst and passion...will rise to it's climax.

It grates with some of us...others are fine with it...some rejoice in it. As the phrase goes...it takes all sorts!




Edited by neverbefore - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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I try to avoid quotes becuase the page looks so messy but both of you have written and argued the point so well that I wanted to re-post it!

brilliant indictment and brilliant defence. Loved reading both of you..Elysia, your reasoning for watching the serial and your analysis of the characters completely matches mine... I too am enjoying the unwrapping of the gift, of watching the progress of these two v imperfect individuals moving slowly from darkness to light, with the central character being Khushi who is literally dragging them there...

btw, I would be interested in your analysis of Shyam - to be he is v interesting becuase he is so amoral, just a classic sociopath... someone who is gentle, loving, caring to Khushi and a cold blooded murderer otherwise... v fascinating.

thanks both for taking the time to share your thoughts ... you made my day...

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Hello again msclog. I am delighted to have found your post. I applaud you and your thought process. Apologies for the colour bear with me as I wanted to comment on a few points if I may...

I am not writing this to sensationalize anything. I have utmost respect and admirations for BS and SI. They are definitely two of the top 5 actors in Telly Land ' for me. They keep exchanging number 1 rank for me ' in my mind.

Both the lead actors are superbly cast. They portray their roles well and powerfully evoking emotions in the viewer drawing us into their acting world seamlessly and effortlessly therefore credit and applause for their skill.

Shyam falsely got engaged to Kushi. There was quite some time before Kushi knew his truth. He never tried to steal a kiss from her, all though he was her fianc (remember except viewers no one knew the truth about him). He never spoke to her harshly. Never called her status, her intelligence or anything to question. Even when confronted by ASR, he says, he doesn't love his wife and is in love with someone else and probably wants divorce from his wife.

True to some extent. His violent side manifested very early on in the show opening a window to his darker sid.His darker side was evident though he never demeaned Khushi nor ever insulted her initially.
msclog...my apologies as I have accidentally deleted a large proportion of my post and I am far too weary to repost as its now 230am. My bed beckons me and I bid you goodnight. Once again I am sorry...enigma
Edited by enigma17 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Elysia

I hope that none of my writing sounded harsh. I enjoy debating with you very much. Thank you for sharing your thoughts 😊😳

Thank you for your reply. All though I would have to respectfully disagree with your views, it was still a very nice read and I respect you that much more for putting them down without any negativity and explaining your thoughts in a detailed way. So, definitely, no issues.

I also think we are in disagreement because of what we both like as individuals. In my real life I have seen many people turning bad when bad things happen to them. I have seen abuse being perpetuated down generations with no break in the cycle. People feel they can stomp on others lives as their own life has been stomped over.

I also have seen a dear friend, who has been physically and mentally abused, but there is no bad bone or bad feeling about that part of their life. That level of maturity and the kindness, sympathy and compassion the friend shows towards others, is mind boggling to me. I get inspired and like to draw inspiration from such people.

If you know how much it hurts to go through XYZ in life, try your best not to visit that XYZ on others. As you already know how much hurt that causes. That is my friends philosophy. I see that in Kushi.

I don't care she is an Orphan and Orphan stories are dime a dozen. Doesn't matter if your mother abandons you, or dies in an accident or kills herself, you are without parent(s). The sadness and loneliness is the same. How you came out of it and what kind of person you become is what fascinates me. That is the reason, having seen such a friend in real life, I feel more empathy towards Kushi.

I admit ASR layers are perfectly played by BS. But my passion is to find people who make me want to be a better person and react to situations differently than the norm. Kushi for the most part impressed me when the serial started. She is young, yet strong. She has gone through a lot but always like to see good in others. She is naive and stupid at times, but also independent and fights back most of the time. She has been dumped on more than what an 18 year old deserves, but yet hasn't broken down, become clingy or needy. That inspires me.

PS: I don't know exactly, but in episode 9 or 10, when mami makes a scene about jewelry, ASR goes and buys whatever she wants and shuts up Nani saying, when no family wanted to help me, mami was the only one who sold her jewelry to get my business started. Even says, I am this successful only because of her and I can do anything for her. So, no, they were not fending for themselves completely. Not trying to nitpick, all I am saying is, if Kushi had safety net, so did ASR.

Edited by misclog2003 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: enigma17

msclog...my apologies as I have accidentally deleted a large proportion of my post and I am far too weary to repost as its now 230am. My bed beckons me and I bid you goodnight. Once again I am sorry...enigma

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I always enjoy reading what you have to say. My bad luck, but hopefully you will be able to post your thoughts here on in another topic and I will look forward to reading them.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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I totally agree and accept with a lot of your points but here is the reason why I dont personally feel like bashing ASR -

apart from the fact that it is being played by barun 😳-

see- ASR was very clear from the beginning that he does NOT want a commitment and he time and again mentioned it to Lavanya. Also he fully accepted his mistake and apologized to her.

Him falling for Khushi is something he DINT plan. It happened and that is why he was literally freaked out for loosing control and the best and only way he knew was to keep her away- he was using the same path he used to redeem himself when he lost his mother- the practical path. He dint change a bit. he was always like that.

but Shyam- He time and again claimed and declared his love for "Ranisaiba" and went ahead and parallely got engaged.

Also- if you observe the show, the minute he held lavanya's hand he maintained distance from Khushi and the minute he came to know she was engaged - apart from that "farak padta hain" thing, he never touched her, be it holding roughly by shoulders or anything.

he always helped her in his own way, troubled her in his own way, yet made her smile in his own way. and that is why i love him

about this - he left la for Khushi, Shyam can leave Anjali for Khushi

he was ready to disclose shyam to his sister and sort the matter, he confronted shyam too but the minute he realized his sister was pregnant, it was only then he understood the gravity of the situation. He broke down. From shyam side it was hopeless and all he could think of was stopping Khushi and Shyam to be together - so he again took the practical path - stand in between those two till his nephew comes into the world.

you would say he could've herd Khushi's side

If i was asr and i saw that- i wouldn't be in a mood to listen. Yes i would listen but not now. I wont literally hurt Khushi, i married her for 6 months for my sister and will give her liberty to got to her love after my sister is fine. BECAUSE i am being practical and i am being selfish. i feel betrayed by a man whom my sister worships and by a girl whom i love. I dont see the mistake because i am blind with anger rage and agony of past. I am not being a villain, i was like this when i threw her from 1st floor of office, I was like this when i threw her cell in rage, i was like this when i worried about her well being when she got stuck in the guest house, i was like this when i beat the pulp out of those goons. ( umm you getting my point? )



as a viewer i feel its all justified, he is normal! -ASR had other options- but he was blind to them. it was khushi's part of bargain to speak up, when she stood up to him then, why not today? well, she will do that in a while. the show is not yet done, to judge it. it is just a span of few hours in the show ( though its DAYS -WEEKS for us )

both of them are shocked and lost and confused. he demanded, she accepted.

About feeling Khushi's pain - I did- i felt so bad- literally yell at the screen saying "Girl speak up to him, ask why"

And if i was Khushi- i am 3 years elder to her but i can relate - i would be confused, blank and lost. and for my sister i would accept. ONly difference being i would've questioned him then and there, it is a show, so Khushi dint.

Your post is really good.








Edited by asumi - 13 years ago

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