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Posted: 13 years ago
#71
Oh I love your post so much, thanks for posting it and don't be afraid. You've been very brave in putting up your thoughts so that all of us who think like you can defend the same! 👏
I don't understand why when the forum is falling in love with ASR, that they think he cannot do anything wrong. He's been doing things the wrong way since the First episode. But this time, it's just too much.
If I were Khushi I would be mega upset. This is not how you get married. Do you realize her entire family will hate her and for a while even the RM members will be wary of her. She has none of her poessessions, clothes, anything over here. Even Arnav's room is not fit for a second person.
Before a bride is brought to live over, usually the guy's room is totally refurbished. More closet space, if there isn't enough already, more furniture, things a girl will need, etc. Khushi can't even change her clothes tonight.
And then, I have this feeling ASR has no idea what he's just done. I'm half expecting him to be shocked when Anjali brings Khushi to his room: "What? She has to sleep in my room?" Well, he'll be thinking this even if he doesn't say it out loud. And Khushi, if she needs anything, who will she ask? She can't ask Arnav to drive her someplace or buy her something, and she probably doesn't have much money of her own.
Well, this is the practical stuff. I'm interested to see if TV even addresses these issues or just skips over this straight to the masala.
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Posted: 13 years ago
#72

Originally posted by: MsCeylon

I liked all the way you have penned down your thoughts except where you compare ASR & Shyam.


What should be noted is that their characters are in 2 dimensions, Shyam not only tried to kill his wife he also tried to kill the father of the girl who he claims to be his true love.

ASR on the other hand broke his relationship with Lavanya and did not pursue Khushi as he thought she was promised to someone else, only after he found out about her engagement had been broken did he start showing any interest in her openly... Shyam on the other hand was on the pursuit of Khushi from their meeting at Lucknow...

So ASR here is nursing true love where as Shyam is after his own infatuation.

I don't find fault in what ASR did but yes he should have given her an opportunity to explain herself

Yet I don't see why Khushi would be upset about her marriage to ASR as she loves him so much, and she's a girl with a lot of faith in her DM so she'll be stronger than what is expected out of her 18 year old self :)

Chill down and watch the drama which is unfold coz this is not hte normal abla nari type show where they show the female protagonist as a ragdoll which continues to suffer... Don't for get that this is KKG we are talking about 😆

Kushi would be upset as asr wants to stay married for only 6 months. Leave alone kushi, which girl will be happy with such an arrangement and blackmail??
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Posted: 13 years ago
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nice post! agreed wid u!:)
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Posted: 13 years ago
#74
TOTALLY AGREE WID YOU..i also lik barun but still...wromg is wrong ...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: misclog2003

I am attempting to commit forum suicide with this post. But please read this with an open mind.

Naw, hun. Fear not. I find your posts thought-provoking and I like that very much.
Shyam fell for someone. He also does not believe in marriage and wants to leave his current relationship for Kushi. The reason Shyam is wrong is because he full well knows Kushi absolutely dislikes him and absolutely hates him. That is why what he is doing is wrong.
And because he's mentally imbalanced. This is really important to note down.
Shyam is married, but does not believe in his marriage, wants to leave your beloved sister and be with a girl who he claims is his true happiness. You being ASR also think, this girl is in love with Shyam. So for you Shyam and Kushi are in love. Shyam also doesn't believe in his marriage. Just like the logical way you solved problem of You ' Lavanya ' Kushi triangle, what would have been the logical solution of the problem of Shyam ' Anjali ' Kushi.
The problem is that Shyam and Anjali are married. Arnav and Lavanya were not. A man who can cheat on his wife, manipulate her family, pretend to be the perfect son-in-law in order to disguise his cheating nature - that man and/or his actions can't be compared to a man who broke unintentionally hurt his fiance and broke their engagement in order to be fair to both of them.
What are the chances that Shyam won't cheat on Khushi once he has her? I think that in some cases love is overrated. With a man such as Shyam, love doesn't even seem to be the correct term to use about his infatuation with Khushi. If you're married and you allow yourself to think about another one, cheat on your wife - then something's wrong with the way you think and act, and it has very little to do with love.
In addition to that, Arnav is not a man who would let go of this matter so easily. Because, as I have pointed out before, he has a shadowed past that we're yet to see. We know it's a past that has shaped the man Arnav is today. The fact that logic and emotions collide in him at Shyam's deception (toward his sister, nonetheless) and he decides to punish the snake is only a natural reaction - expected from Arnav.
Even the most calculative person can end up in an emotional turmoil when someone that he loves, someone who has sustained the human in him, is threatened. This is the case with Shyam and Anjal.
Why was torturing Kushi the only thing to do. If he could balck mail couldn't he balckmail Shyam. He could go and explain Profit and Loss to Shyam. He could tell Shyam, until Di delivers the baby you be nice to her, stay away from Kushi for 6 months. Once the baby is here, Di is strong, I personally will see to it that, Di gives you a divroce and you can happily be with your lover. But if you meet Kushi between now and next 6 months, I will have you killed in an accident and Di will be better off being a widow than a divorcee and I will make sure your precious Kushi also is hurt. No?
He blackmailed Khushi because he couldn't even form a coherent retort at Shyam. That snake left him speechless. He couldn't shut him up. Shyam humiliated Arnav, humiliated his sister, and Arnav could say or do nothing. Why? Because Arnav was shocked at the true face of Shyam. He realized, in that moment, that he has no idea who or what Shyam is or what the man is capable of, or even how the man thinks.
How do you blackmail someone who is so confident, smirking at you over your sister's shoulder, as if he doesn't fear anything? Not even Arnav Singh Raizada. Shyam laughed in Arnav's face. He disrespected both him and his sister. He dared. Arnav doesn't know a thing about Shyam - he cannot tell the mindset of his enemy. Here's a creep who doesn't fear being exposed - in fact, Arnav fears the truth being exposed at a time when Anjali is so vulnerable, so really. Arnav is the one Shyam has emotionally blackmailed into making a choice that was made for all the wrong reasons.
Arnav, despite his ability to access a situation rationally, had experienced way too many hits in one night and took a step out of emotional distress as well as calculative reason. I'm not excusing him. I'm explaining.
He said, he had to do something for his sister. He blackmailed Kushi saying do this for your sister. He is balckmailing someone for his sister. If that person is ready to do what you are blackmailing her for, how is your love for your sister being understood more than Kushi's love for her sister?
When Arnav asked Khushi if she would do anything for her sister - he was indirectly trying to hint that he would do anything for his sister, that he was about to do something that he didn't want to do, but felt he had to do for his sister. It's as much as an apology that you'd get out of ASR in a situation like this. If Khushi had paid more attention to his shades, to getting to know the man behind the mask, then she might've understood - in that moment - that something was wrong. She might've asked him about it.
I don't mean to point fingers at Khushi. But the truth is that there have been many hints and glances throughout the night from Arnav - and Khushi has remained ignorant of them all. She doesn't understand Arnav because she doesn't know him. The way that he asked her - even I would've caught on to something.
Marriage was finished. Yet she walked with you outside and got married to you. You stood like a mute when everyone was yelling at you and demanding an answer. That was the only way Kushi could have gotten slapped. If he said, it is none of your businees, Kushi and I have our reasons to get married, we will tell you in due time, no one including Guptas would have dared press him further. No?
Arnav didn't have an answer just as well as Khushi didn't. Why? Because he's emotionally exhausted. He needs time to think and access.
She did not. She kept quite. Suffering. How come he who can do so much for his sister, not realise there could be more to the story than what he saw and heard. How.
How come Khushi couldn't tell that something was up since he suddenly blackmailed her about such a big thing as marriage? How come she didn't tell him the truth about Shyam and thus avoided the current situation altogether?
Point is that the mistake was made on both sides. Arnav and Khushi.
It pains me, because, ASR is arrogant. I like him like that. He talks status and intelligence etc. I like him like that. ASR is ruthless and I for sure like him like that. But what I cannot like about ASR is acting like a typicla villain who can only prey on utterly impresionable 18 year old females.
This isn't about Khushi. This is about Anjali. This isn't about punishing Khushi. This is about protecting Anjali and buying time to figure out Shyam.
He's not preying on Khushi. He's using her to protect his sister, yes. But that's Arnav. His sister is his top priority and everyone else are pawns. Plus, in Arnav's eyes Khushi isn't innocent. She lost her innocence when she hugged Shyam and didn't tell Arnav about it.
Just like everyone can understand ASRs pain as he doesn't know the truth of Shyam completely, but no one is ready to accept Kushi's pain and how cruel of a punishment this is for a 18 year old and actually say ASR loves Kushi so it is ok what is happening.
I understand Khushi's pain as I understand Arnav's. Neither of them are right. Both of them are wrong. In the end, they both brought this upon themselves and they must learn from their mistakes. They must take the consequences and mature.
Yes. It is a story. Yes, CVs have every right to tell it like they want. Yes Barun is better than 90% of actors in the country. But let is not forgive and glorify ASR because we understand his pain, but turn a blind eye to Kushis pain.
I think that there's a diff between glorification and understanding. Personally, I understand them both and disagree with them both. I never supported any of Arnav's actions - just like I often got irritated with Khushi for some of the things she did. In the end, both of them are flawed and I suppose that's what makes them beautiful to watch. And frustrating.
How can women be so indifferent to a women's pain is beyond me.
Honestly, I sympathize with Khushi for what's been done to her. But, on the other hand, she made some choices that led to the current situation, just as Arnav did.
Sorry if I ruffled any feathers. If people think, I should keep my opinions to myself or get lost from the forum. So be it. But I had to say this and I did.
I respect you for having the guts to speak your mind in a place like this 😉😳

Edited by Elysia - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
#76
👏 You took the thoughts out of my head and made this brilliant post. I sometimes get tired of the one sided arguments over Arnav and his oh so lovely intentions of protection towards Khushi Hogwash and there are always 3 sides to any story
I am really looking forward to some more of your posts
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Posted: 13 years ago
#77
Totally agree with your point and your Thread Title... 👏

ASR only had one choice? Really?? - Yes...Because,He can target to her so easily. Without using his brain. He trusts his 'Cheater' Jiju...but,not on his so called 'Love'.😕


I loved your all points.👏 Strange to see that,some peoples can't face reality. They are still trying hard to justify a wrong thing. (Blackmailing n all)😲.
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Posted: 13 years ago
#78

Thank you to each of you who took time to respond and had kind words for my post. I wish I can reply to each one of you, but unable to do so. So please, accept my sincere gratitude to all those who replied. Believe it or not, I am pleasantly surprised for the warmth you all have showed for my post. Needless to say, I was expecting to end up with a rotten egg facial. 😊

Some responded saying I might have been comparing Shyam and ASR. No. Shyam's character is pure vile to me. The actor playing does a decent job, but the character is extremely filthy to me. What I was trying to say was, ASR does not know Shyam and Kushi's ex-fianc was the same. ASR doesn't know Shyam disappeared so many days from house and was a paying guest at Kushi's house. Just wait and watch, Shyam will plant this information in ASR's mind and making it look like and make ASR think, they were carrying this affair from a long time. I wouldn't be surprised if CVs make Kushi utter another insane dialogue and implicate herself further by saying something to Shyam about the days of him being a paying guest. I digress. ASR doesn't know Shyam tried to kill Anjali. ASR doesn't know Shyam mandhandles Kushi as well. All ASR knows is Shyam does not value Anjali and his marriage and has made ASR believe his love for Kushi is so intense and obstacle to it is Anjali. That is all ASR knows. Reason I bought, Shyam into the discussion was just to say, as far ASR is concerned, Shyam is just a cheating husband. And is bold enough to announce his love for Kushi.

For all those who think, and ask, why didn't Kushi ask ASR Why? Why didn't Kushi do X? Really? You expect an 18 year old to have common sense, ask pertinent questions, have a back bone, use logic, tell truth to the Raizadas about their SIL etc etc. But where are all these qualifications in a 28 year old ASR and even much older Anjali. Do not bring the excuse Anjali and ASR went through a lot in life. They have each other. They have Nani, brother, Mami, Mama etc. Kushi's parents also died when she was young. Story informed she is an orphan raised by Guptas. She herself knows she is an Orphan. She has gone through that much and more as what ASR or Anjali went through. So why these expectations on a 18 year old. Seriously. This is exactly what I was saying. Why are people expecting mountains out of Kushi, a partly nave, partly confused often strong 18 year old Kushi, but sweep what ASR is doing as love for his sister and his horrible past. Why can we only see ASR's troubled past and understand that. Why can't anyone (who ask why Kushi did not speak up) see Kushi's troubled past?

Having said that, thank you all again and I sincerely hope to keep writing.

PS : Barun was awesome on Tuesday and Wednesday. But Sanaya was brilliant on Thursday and Friday. Other thing I noticed is, they are not afraid to let the other person shine in a scene and stand able in support of the actor next to them most of the time. That probably have to do with their off screen friendship. All I say is, if they can make illogical sequences stand out so brilliantly and we all discuss with such deep passion, can you imagine what would happen if they get a script (even for one week) where the script is king, dialogues are the queen and editing is the castle. I can imagine. 😊

Edited by misclog2003 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: misclog2003

Some responded saying I might have been comparing Shyam and ASR. No. Shyam's character is pure vile to me. The actor playing does a decent job, but the character is extremely filthy to me. What I was trying to say was, ASR does not know Shyam and Kushi's ex-fianc was the same. ASR doesn't know Shyam disappeared so many days from house and was a paying guest at Kushi's house. Just wait and watch, Shyam will plant this information in ASR's mind and making it look like and make ASR think, they were carrying this affair from a long time. I wouldn't be surprised if CVs make Kushi utter another insane dialogue and implicate herself further by saying something to Shyam about the days of him being a paying guest. I digress.

Most of us understood what you tried to convey. Some saw it as comparison between the two. Good thing you cleared it up for them. And I think Shyam will do what you said. CVs will torture and torment Khushi for TRPs because we are all going to watch.

For all those who think, and ask, why didn't Kushi ask ASR Why? Why didn't Kushi do X? Really? You expect an 18 year old to have common sense, ask pertinent questions, have a back bone, use logic, tell truth to the Raizadas about their SIL etc etc. But where are all these qualifications in a 28 year old ASR and even much older Anjali. Do not bring the excuse Anjali and ASR went through a lot in life. They have each other. They have Nani, brother, Mami, Mama etc. Kushi's parents also died when she was young. Story informed she is an orphan raised by Guptas. She herself knows she is an Orphan. She has gone through that much and more as what ASR or Anjali went through. So why these expectations on a 18 year old. Seriously. This is exactly what I was saying. Why are people expecting mountains out of Kushi, a partly nave, partly confused often strong 18 year old Kushi, but sweep what ASR is doing as love for his sister and his horrible past. Why can we only see ASR's troubled past and understand that. Why can't anyone (who ask why Kushi did not speak up) see Kushi's troubled past?

Ditto..my questions too..very apt. Actually Raizadas should be sued for their actions.

PS : Barun was awesome on Tuesday and Wednesday. But Sanaya was brilliant on Thursday and Friday. Other thing I noticed is, they are not afraid to let the other person shine in a scene and stand able in support of the actor next to them most of the time. That probably have to do with their off screen friendship. All I say is, if they can make illogical sequences stand out so brilliantly and we all discuss with such deep passion, can you imagine what would happen if they get a script (even for one week) where the script is king, dialogues are the queen and editing is the castle. I can imagine. 😊


Cannot agree more. Well-said. Both of them are superb but Sanaya was brilliant on Friday. I wept with her.
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Posted: 13 years ago
#80
I completely agree wid u
Nice post - well written

Donno why they use women to solve any prob
Sacrifice women prob solve

In serial ppl watch women treated like tat
I still hope CV justify

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