ASR only had one choice? Really? - Page 11

Originally posted by: Rita.C

woo hoo...what an awesome discussion esp between Misclog and Elysia.

I believe in healthy debates, but it's so rare to find someone you can debate with without it turning into an ugly mudfight. Especially in such an active forum that is mostly run on high emotions. LOL.

forgive me if I sound juevenile - this serial has done this to me for sure.. I find myself with all the symptoms of IPKKND deficiency syndrome (to borrow a phrase from another brilliant writer on the IF) and doing things like writing panting phan gurl comments on some celebrity page (cringe) to get them up on rankings and show my gratitude for giving me such a good time

You're not alone, hun. Trust me. I'm all there with you.

I don't know if I actually agree - yes, pain thresholds differ and yes, every human being comes iwth their own attitude and behaviour but I cannot help feeling that even though two people may look like they have similar pasts, there are essential differences in their experiences that made a huge difference to their attitude. I guess this is a topic that is such a well debated one already that it is pointless to start on it again.

Most definitely. For instance, Arnav's experience with people and life tells him that there's only money and power, that the world is cruel and selfish - basically, he has a very cynical outlook on life. Khushi is his complete opposite.

I was re-watching the re-runs and it struck me that every single romantic scene between them is a struggle for dominance and power - Arnav spends all his energy trying to get Khushi's submission and Khushi spends all her time trying to resist. Yet the minute she "lays down her arms and surrenders to him", he is defeated.. the only time he lay down his arms and surrendered to her was when walked over to the other side to dance with her...
there are plenty of people far more observant than me so I might be mistaken in this observation. But I do find it fascinating to know that this is one of her biggest submission and therefore I assume it will also be one of the biggest defeats for Arnav. It is only when she is broken that he will fall.

Absolutely amazing observation, Rita 👏 This is very interesting indeed. I did peg Arnav for a control freak. He needs to feel that he has control over the people around him, his future, himself, etc. It unnerves him to lose control (Khushi makes him lose control over himself several times - he fell for her), and so when he loses it, he tries to regain it somehow. Unfortunately, it often leads to him hurting the ones he love.

Originally posted by: sbk2

Thank you! 😃

This morning I logged in and came across posts appreciating and literally commemorating Garima's slap on Khushi. Her anger and shock as a mother is justified, but slapping her daughter in front of everyone, that too her in-laws! - was jarring to me. Especially knowing how Khushi's nature is...she is not a wayward child...heck, she is not a child to be treated like that.

That scene was shot that way to create a dramatic impact...typical of Indian soaps.

It completely put me off.

Khushi is in for more anguish and distress...we should brace ourselves!

I only hope that on Monday they show someone stepping in and rescuing her from the firing squad!

i also feel ASR shouldnt act da way he did. i think cvs doing this 4 trp coz all the sash bahu drama and husband hating waife is wot ppl like 2 watch...IPKKND is the best show hell only show i eva eva seen on tv coz heard from my mom its not typical saash babu drama...ASR is back and going 2 stay as long the whole truth dosent come out...all i hope and pray dat khushi wont forgive him so quick...IF member wrote an os loves first step trust i so agree with dat... wot asr likes her yeah but love dont think so he has a long way 2 go before he understand true mening of love...if u dnt trust ur love or give a chance 2 explain den how can u call it LOVE???? luvd the post btw 👍🏼[/QU

later too when he sees the truth he will go after her for selfish reasons, not becoz he loves her but he knows he wont be able tolive without her

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Someone even said, Kushi will realize this was a good thing. Please. An 18 year old, who has taken the Guptas burdens on her is being emotionally scarred like this, and people think it is good for her, just because ASR is played by Barun and we all love Barun and we all know ASR deep down loves Kushi, so Kushi will be alright. Just like everyone can understand ASRs pain as he doesn't know the truth of Shyam completely, but no one is ready to accept Kushi's pain and how cruel of a punishment this is for a 18 year old and actually say ASR loves Kushi so it is ok what is happening.

Yes. It is a story. Yes, CVs have every right to tell it like they want. Yes Barun is better than 90% of actors in the country. But let is not forgive and glorify ASR because we understand his pain, but turn a blind eye to Kushis pain.

Originally posted by: Elysia

@sunflower52: No, hun. I haven't studied psychology 😊 I have just always found a great joy and interest in observing people and understanding them.

Yes, that is exactly my point. People deal with trauma in dissimilar ways and not everyone has/understands the tools to turn something bad into something good. But I believe that if people show potential for good, signs of it, and if they try, then they deserve the benefit of the doubt. I will never excuse anything Arnav has done to Khushi, but I won't condemn him for it either. Not until/unless the writers eliminate all the redeeming qualities in him and turn him into a Shyam villain 😆

Originally posted by: sunflower52

Me also, I am also not excusing Arnav for all things he has done to Khushi and I am not condemning for it. I do not think the cv's will make the hero into a villain. Unless they want the audience to kill them.

They will show him conflicted, he wont be able to hurt Khushi too much.

Khushi is stronger from the 2 can give a good fight. She will soon find out the reason.

Originally posted by: Elysia

I have to first 👏👏👏👏 for the way you pen your thoughts. All though they are diametrically opposite to mine, I enjoy reading them more than penning down my own thoughts. That is almost weird right? 😊

I am not sure if I have managed to clarify my point as eloquently as you have.

I love ASR character and the layers and the grey shades and all the emotions the story has for him. And BS makes me forget ASR is a fictional character. I like it when he yells at Kushi for no fault of her. I like it when he turns naughty the next day. I like it when he arrogantly claims he has brains and smirks at the same time. I love all his quirks, mannerisms BS brings to the role and etc.

But I started this post only because, I was a bit disappointed reading all those posts where they claimed Garima to be Mother Theresa and ASR to be Mahatma for doing what they did. I love ASR character with all his faults and I also love when he is doing wrong things.

But at the same time, I am going to call a spade a spade and say what ASR is doing is wrong. It is not because I don't understand his sorrow or pain. I do. Out of his emotions he is taking steps which are not correct. But to him they are correct. I understand that.

I couldn't stop myself from posting when people are saying ASR did not have choice to do what he did and almost in the same breath say he is Mahaan for giving Kushi a choice of choosing her life over her sister's life. To me that kind of fanatism is what made me start this thread.

But maybe it came out somewhat like I am supporting Shyam or hating on ASR or do not like ASR and that cannot be further from the truth.

I enjoyed the journey of him learning to say sorry and realizing, how much impact the small word has when said truthfully. The journey where he realized his pull towards Kushi was more than just physical attraction. Why else would you he react when he see tears in her eyes. The journey where ASR changed to Arnav. The journey where he became playful, naughty. The journey where he still kept his arrogance and could one day say we have to win at all costs and then turn around and say winning is not everything in equally arrogant fashion. The journey of discovery that there is one more person in this world other than his stupid Di (sorry Anjali is grating on my nerves lately) who now has the power to shatter him if anything happened to her. I loved all of this. But looks like the journey has come to a abrupt, unscheduled roadblock and is forced to take a detour and a bumpy ride. I am sure I will like this journey equally, where he is committing sins, mistakes and eventually realize his mistakes and will try to make amends, suffer and become playful and naughty again.

At the same time I sympathize with the fate of Kushi much more than I sympathies with the fate of ASR. Unfortunately, I only sympathize with Anjali, when she has scenes with her brother. All other times, especially in her scenes with Shyam, I cringe at her and cannot identify with her .

Hope you understand what I am trying to say. I wish I could explain, the way you have explained to me.

PS : Excuse any spelling mistakes.

Originally posted by: vimmiya

All your logic is fine but the difference here is Khushi had showed her feelings for ASR. Therefore, ASR felt that she loved him and now he felt that she is betraying him. So it became a personnel vendata. That six months is for saving his sister and he is leaving her so that she can start the life with Shyam.

When he knows that he is mistaken never will be leave her no matter. He will move mountains to woo her back. Regarding Lavanya, he had no problem with leading a life with Lavanya but subconsciously he started loving khushi. When he knew that he cannot give Lavanya the happiness she deserves he was frank with her. When he broke the engagement he was unaware that khushi engagement was also broken. Therefore, he was faithful to the relationship with Lavanya.

we are human and each individual has his way of thinking. ASr is a logical and analytical person but deep down he is quite emotional. When his rational brain comes into force he will recollect him. Just wait until the character unfolds. If ASR's character is diluted, the serial will go to the drain.