Originally posted by: MrDarcyfan
I am a bit late to this party. Just saw the last few episodes as I finally got some time, so thought to write a comment here. I have followed some of this PH's shows in the past and their regressive attitudes towards the two sexes persists. I have to go out on a limb and say that Annika and Shivaay are probably more progressive than their previous offerings and that is saying a lot.
@Angel_Juhi:
We both know how bad things can get. Lets not go to the last hero of the final season of G's popular show. He was more a criminal than a hero. Enough said. Your right. Rich guy with a bad past can be a good person too. Does not need to go to extremes always. We can all wrongly judge people, but we need not go to the other such an extent in our prejudice that it looks downright unnatural. Like Shivaay's strange obsession with Khoon and khandan to the extent of ruling his life.
@ TM: Yes this so called ONS misunderstanding? NOT getting this! Is Shivaay is a relationship with Annika? No. Has he in any way confessed to her he has feelings? No. Has he even really accepted to himself he has feelings? Yes and No. But mostly NO, it's denial. So in such a situation, what right does he have to expect anything from Annika? She is a FREE agent. HE is marrying someone for a business deal to further his empire. HE is also doing it for money! He is marrying a woman (that I suppose he knows he has to be intimate with, share a bed with etc) to further his business? He can also be classified as "Paiso ke liye kisi ke saath sona" etc. What is different between what he is doing and what he thinks Annika did? Is it because he is an Oberoi and she is not? So what she does is lowly, but what he does is high class? It's hypocrisy at it's worst!
What does he expect? That Annika will remain unmarried and a "V" for the rest of her life, just so that he can feel she has not become someone else's? Dog in the manger, and totally selfish? How can such selfishness be celebrated as passion or possession? Passion and possession means throwing CAUTION to the wind, and going against one's own beliefs to claim the person one loves. Everything else can go to hell! THAT is an Ishqbaaz! What Shivaay is doing is not Ishabaazi at all. BlackmailBaazi and SelfishBaazi more like.
I actually prefer Shivaay to some of his predecessors in other shows. At least HE got slapped, kind of early in the piece too. (5 months, not bad). Even still, the writing is not progressive and still trying to give it that "spin" of progression. GK is still addicted to old Mills and Boons. She thinks controlling men are sexy. No their not. Only 16 year old girls think that, and if grown women do to, well then, Houston We have a Problem! 😆
Jokes apart, even I think they should not insult the intelligence of the audience. The actors choosing western shows over their own? That's their choice, but that means they don't believe in their own product. Not a shining endorsement. I am not from India, and I am also Non -Indian. So for me, this is a diversion and a glimpse into a different culture etc. I live in the west and grew up watching American and English, Australian etc shows. That is my usual thing and I only started watching Indian TV shows a few years ago. One or two shows have actually impressed me, coz they tried to do something new. Most of them were short-lived, but that was to be expected. The main attraction for me on THIS show is the OBros. I signed up for their stories. In plural. I started late as well, so caught up only 1 month ago. I am still invested in seeing the stories through, but hope for a little bit more progressive attitude to be shown. I am still waiting!
Thing is, I LIKE Shivaay, just not his attitude and what he represents!
Yeah! Like my deal is that I don't care if they wanna watch American/English or any other non-Indian shows in their personal life, but they cannot DISRESPECT the Indian masses by dishing out material that they themselves do not watch or appreciate. Like my McDonald's quote, they are feeding us unhealthy material while they are themselves reaping the joys of success and wealth. Hypocritical to the max, that is. Not to mention, the young actors actually make fun of the stories while teenage girls sit and dream of having these kind of love stories and so-called heroes in their life. As you said, " Houston We Have a Problem" ( I'm from Texas btw 😆) .
And exactly, they messed up big time by showing Shivaay's hypocrisy. I love how the man looks and how the actor acts, but I cannot forgive the double standards. He was pretty much selling himself too, more obviously when he was about to marry Tia in a few days to distract everyone from the Gayatri fiasco. I didn't see Annika calling him names then. How could she ? It would make the man look less sexy for the makers and cause a drop in TRPs. Like...there's no logic despite having such a good platform and opportunity to show sooo many new things. There are a gazillion romantic novels to draw inspiration from, look what Pakistanis do. Zindagi Gulzar Hai was such a hit, novel-based, not OTT, addictive, made money etc. She has all these examples in front of her and yet fails miserably at achieving QUALITY control & money together. Why can't a producer show off her intellect and earn money together? Do others not do it ? How will people change if they are not even exposed to more logical shows? I think every channel should have a few pathbreaking/experimental shows which are not TRP-driven, so that they can slowly change people's appetite. But, they do not even try.
Good luck waiting for the Obros stories to unfold, I have lost hope, I thought she learned from her mistakes after I eventually gave up on all her shows, but she hasn't learned. She has this way of making you believe that she's gonna do something different this time around, but then you have a "rinse,wash,repeat" cycle of old concepts after a few glorious months.
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