Does today's India NEED these regressive/sadistic tracks? - Page 7

Originally posted by: angel_juhi04

No use of sending any message. Gul will always give ridiculous excuses. During Qubool Hai, some people wrote complaints against the show at least 3-4 times but she only got worse after each complaint. You are right. Shivaay looks like a villain. It reminds me of hindi movie where a girl gets molested and raped after being chased by the villain and his men. If it was 70s or 80s, Shivaay could have easily passed as a villain. But in 2016, we get such nonsense. Still Shivaay is supported by girls here and on Instagram. No wonder why men are becoming more jerks in our country instead of treating women with respect. This Gul is only getting more creepy years after years. What next? Gul will show hero raping heroine as normal. Then also he will be supported. India has gone till moon but Gul is still in gutter and gandi naali.

Originally posted by: AshRun

With your reference to my future president and words like "jokes on you" and "unsuspecting NRIs", it seems to me like you are offended/upset by my honest views and are trying to start a India vs. America debate here for no good reason.

I do not wish to compare one country's president with content on TV which doesn't need millions of votes to change. Hope you got the point. P.S.- It is perfectly fine to start liking one aspect of a story and getting "hooked" to it, and then disliking the portrayal of emotional abuse, misogyny,classism etc. Who said opinions couldn't change and that it should be " jokes on you" if your opinions change. I really did not understand why you would judge me for liking a show for its romance which slowly turns into torture and a forced marriage.

Thanks for commenting, have a good one!

Originally posted by: MrsOmkaraOberoi

Apologies for butting in, but just a side note: Trump won due to the electoral college, but it was Hillary who won the popular vote. In other words, the PEOPLE actually chose Hillary so the analogy that was being made doesn't quite fit.

Regardless, I just had to clear this fact up. I have..rather strong opinion..if you will..on the president-elect. 🥱

Originally posted by: AshRun

Yes, thanks for mentioning that fact, and I am unfortunately aware of it. I'm kinda confused about whether you're talking about my bolded comment about millions of votes or baout Boxed In's comment on America not needing Trump. If you are referring to my analogy of millions of votes, then let me please try to word that better, so you can understand what I was trying to say :

The point I was trying to make was that millions of voters who didn't vote and who are Clinton supporters would be needed to change the fact that he is president-elect. I was just saying that something which is determined by millions of votes cannot be compared to something like changing TV content which you have a little more control over. The key word here was CHANGE, millions of votes in swing and large states ( not overall) would be needed to change the election results. So, I believe that the point I made about 1 thing needing millions of votes to change and not the other still makes sense.

If your talking about BoxedIn's comment, then yes. the analogy doesn't fit because as you so correctly said that the PEOPLE did try to make a better choice, so him getting elected can't be compared to TRP giving audience who are giving the numbers to stupid content.

Your input made for a good discussion, so thanks for your comment. 😊 Agree on the strong opinion about President-elect bit 🥱

Originally posted by: MrsOmkaraOberoi

I was referring to the underlined 😆, but nice input!

Originally posted by: AshRun

Such a smart point you made! Sorry, I embarassed myself because despite you saying the word "analogy", I didn't realize that you couldn't be referring to my comment bc it wasn't really an analogy in the first place 😆 I just wasn't sure so thought of asking you :) thanks!

Originally posted by: MrsOmkaraOberoi

Oh please, no need! 😆 It happens haha.

Might as well, while I'm here, point out that while this post is so relevant and made me go "Aah someone gets me," if I'm to be realistic, I don't think anything's really going to change in the direction that we want it in. I mean maybe it's just me, but the unapologetic way Gul spoke of such tracks and their impact on TRP

(referring to a reply she had to a "Dulhan swap" criticism, something along the lines of oh but when we did that in QH2 with Sanam, it garnered great TRP or something like that) makes it pretty obvious that she won't respond to any actual valid criticism but rather dodge it by bringing TRP into the conversation.

My whole deal with Gul is quite...tiresome I guess would be the right word. I know for a fact she's extremely talented, the initial high almost all of her shows see is testimony to that, but she sucks at maintaining the allure & standard. It almost seems to be that 4Lions becomes a business/money-making medium rather than a production house. I mean what's the point of becoming a producer and joining a creative field, there are so many other ways to make money. I'm not criticizing the fact they're goal is to make profit, obviously that is the projected outcome of any sort of endeavor, especially showbiz where you have so many people's livelihoods depending on you. But can there be a way to do that without using the first few months to play "hooky" and then reverting to tested, done to death, and more importantly regressive content. There were so many important discussions had in this show, especially the Mallika/the state of women in India track. It's just so heartbreaking because you know, and they know, that they are capable of making interesting AND entertaining content, AND make a profit. I mean at this point are you just that insecure of maintaining your ratings that at the end of the day, it all has to come down to this sort of bride-swapping, hate-marriage, contract-marriage, misogynistic nonsense?


Apologies for the long rant, that's also kind of why I only commented "Someone please send this to Gul" first 😆, the topic's kind of a dukhti nass.

Originally posted by: AshRun

LOL at Dukhti nass! And I couldn't have said it better than you 👏 Omg, along with the "Shivaay will never accept her comment, another one that annoyed me was her obsession with TRPs when she talked about QH2 andthen Kasam becoming "slot leaders" by showing bride swap. To me, it showed that at first, she wants the fans loyalty to make the show popular and throws bones at us in the form of interviews of the actors, pictures, songs, videos, and then a few months later, she focusses on becoming slot leader and money.

One person on insta said the actors are responsible for the success or something along those lines, which I agree is wrong, but she commented rudely/sarcastically and said "yeah they are ones who do the design and camera work too, the world probably rotates because of them too". Frankly, it made her sound hypocritical because at the end of the day, she is not using production value or writers to earn money, she is putting the actors at the forefront, manipulating their characters, manipulating THEIR personalities to make money. The online audience never sees her posting praises of her behind the scenes people. She flaunts her friendship with those very actors and videos of the male leads to grab attention. It's high time she accepted that her leads made her famous. I agree with you that she is talented and the first few months of her shows are addictive, but after that she doesn't make it look like there is much "art " and "designing" and "creativity" going on. It feels like the writers/directors are getting paid to just crank out an episode and make it as melodramatic as possible for TRPs.

On the Malika track - I agree, some dialogues by Malika and her MIL stuck with me, it was a modern-day problem which a lot of women face and which isn't tried and tested yet. And I loved how Malika acknowledged " there will be problems and we will deal with it" in front of her MIL. That was so progressive and practical to me. It was much better than the idea of people forcing and threatening each other for marriage and the actors promoting it all on their social media accounts. Thats another thing, along with Gul's mindset, I find these actors very scary at times. They themselves don't watch/approve of such content ( they admit to it after shows are over), but while they are doing them, they promote them instead of remaining silent and doing their work. Also agree that all I can really do is rant because she is not open to change. 🥱

Originally posted by: AshRun

With your reference to my future president and words like "jokes on you" and "unsuspecting NRIs", it seems to me like you are offended/upset by my honest views and are trying to start a India vs. America debate here for no good reason.

I do not wish to compare one country's president with content on TV which doesn't need millions of votes to change. Hope you got the point. P.S.- It is perfectly fine to start liking one aspect of a story and getting "hooked" to it, and then disliking the portrayal of emotional abuse, misogyny,classism etc. Who said opinions couldn't change and that it should be " jokes on you" if your opinions change. I really did not understand why you would judge me for liking a show for its romance which slowly turns into torture and a forced marriage.

Thanks for commenting, have a good one!

Originally posted by: MrsOmkaraOberoi

I honestly (and this is just me) don't really care about the off-screen equations 😆 which is why if I'm to be honest I won't really have anything substantial to add here. Though I think the hypocrisy becomes quite obvious when you point it out, apart from Gorky, there's really no crew-appreciation that goes on, it's a lot of (or at least it came across as such when I saw her instagram) as look at me and my celebrity friends that you all love. But like I said, partly because I really don't feel very strongly for the matter of her and her offscreen equations, I don't have much to say. Maybe at one point I might've, but at this juncture I think I've become quite apathetic towards these matters and to be honest it's blessing 😆

BUT, about feeling insulted that the very actors who promote content they would personally never watch--HELL TO THE YES. But at one point, like the Mallika track or even at other earlier points in this show, there were some great conversations and just the basic screenplay was so tight and polished (or at least I felt) that tbh I felt the cast was quite proud of what they were making, which is again why such a drastic turn of events is heartbreaking.

As for Gul's obsession with TRPs, it became evident to me that this show was not going to be an exception when she decided to scrap Om & Ishana--oh lord don't even get me started. The potential there was insane, like for once we have a male character who isn't a basic asshole/stereotypical arrogant rich businessman and a female lead who's moral compass isn't crystal clear with a defined black and white. But alas, this is another "dukhti nass" so I won't get into it, however again this goes to prove again, she IS able, she just cannot bear it seems to break barriers.

Which is also why in the realm of TV-producers, I really don't think I'll be able to respect Gul despite acknowledging that she's talented. Your show IS successful, you HAVE the outreach to a giant mass, now change their diet. Because honestly, here I don't see how TRP is even an excuse if you don't even bother and TRY to be different at junctures like the marriage between the leads. Like I said, are you that insecure?

The outrage is particularly personal for 4Lions shows because unlike many other PHs, it's quite obvious they know the difference between regressive and not because they've excelled in making both, albeit the former facet dominates in the end. There are PHs that genuinely seem to not recognize that their bullshit is regressive (pardon my French), and while that's certainly not okay, the problem there has a deeper root and might even hint at making amends upon realizations. But here they're very well aware, and despite that them seeming to choose to revert to these tracks.

And yes well, ranting is in our hands, so I say why not?