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Posted: 8 years ago
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Its definitely the audience who needs to change their thinking, rather then writers and TV channels, because PH and channel are in for money and they would gladly show whatever the audience loves and would bring in TRP.

I will give an an example of another which I'm watching, which about an Obese girl who because of some unfortunate circumstances get married to the most eligible guy in their town. Initially the TRP's was very low, because the girl despite being overweight was shown very confident of herself and had lots of emotional support from most of her family. But no sooner her marriage was fixed and she got married and started facing taunts and emotional abuse from her family and even her hubby the TRP's increased !!! This is the basic formula for successful and long running shows !! Unfortunately the target audience are the TRP aunties and most of them lead such miserable lives themselves that they can only relate to FL who are as miserable as them.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Guesswhat

Being an Indian I am hating this track... I wonder what makes Shivay a 'hero'? He is a thorough hypocrite who looks down upon every human being unless he/she is rich... He is not willing to learn, and thinks he can do anything to the poor... he is a AH!


True that. I was willing to overlook this flaw of his until her highness Gul PROUDLY announced that Shivaay will NEVER be able to accept her being from a low socioeconomic status.Does that make a guy hot,sexy and irresistable? I think it does for the PH which is why they think its normal to show this as a story. How is it love when you will NEVER accept someones background even after seeing their other good qualities ?
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Posted: 8 years ago
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I know what u r saying, it's not only about Indian TV but also about Indian movies...first of all we need to understand what is today's India??? the youths who live in urban cities don't only represent today's India...it all has people living in small cities and villages and backward sections of society, these people still have a backward mentality...they r not so intelligent to understand good plots with interesting characters...they want the same stereotyped plots with stereotyped characters...Ultimately it's their choice but these tracks give a very wrong message and believe it or not...movies and shows do effect our mentality...producers dont care about creativity...all that matters to them is TRP...its everything for them but I dont think so...otherwise a channel like sony wouldn't have existed ...i dont even want shivika marriage, they could have get married after confession but gul cant think beyond hate/contract marriage and bride swap.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: xaviara

Its definitely the audience who needs to change their thinking, rather then writers and TV channels, because PH and channel are in for money and they would gladly show whatever the audience loves and would bring in TRP.

I will give an an example of another which I'm watching, which about an Obese girl who because of some unfortunate circumstances get married to the most eligible guy in their town. Initially the TRP's was very low, because the girl despite being overweight was shown very confident of herself and had lots of emotional support from most of her family. But no sooner her marriage was fixed and she got married and started facing taunts and emotional abuse from her family and even her hubby the TRP's increased !!! This is the basic formula for successful and long running shows !! Unfortunately the target audience are the TRP aunties and most of them lead such miserable lives themselves that they can only relate to FL who are as miserable as them.


@bold- Yes, but as an American I can tell you, young college students here also live very difficult lives. Working to support themselves financially while studying, working multiple jobs etc. But they are open to watching shows where people live a different life from theirs because the writing is so creative and intelligent. Its like the Mcdonalds quote form Pakistani Actor Shehreyar Munawar that I used : this stuff pollutes peoples minds and they will not like how their thinking shapes up 20 years from now. People in India/Pakistam start accepting what they get because the culture is not individualistic, but someone has to be bold and show new material. Writers have a huge responsibility, people will eventually adjust if they are repeatedly exposed to new thoughts.
writers just need to show some effort.


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Posted: 8 years ago
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@ ASHRUN...true i have an option not to watch but our own audience rejects good stuff...REPORTERS on sony was an awesome show which was chic modern the male/female had an awesome relation the male was arrogant but girl was rocking n he accepted her..but the TRP aunties HATED it!!!! so ya money is alll ekta was the leader n gul is 2nd best..i DONT SEE any ekta shows n GUL is on my hit list now
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: uppaas

@ ASHRUN...true i have an option not to watch but our own audience rejects good stuff...REPORTERS on sony was an awesome show which was chic modern the male/female had an awesome relation the male was arrogant but girl was rocking n he accepted her..but the TRP aunties HATED it!!!! so ya money is alll ekta was the leader n gul is 2nd best..i DONT SEE any ekta shows n GUL is on my hit list now


No, I said that for myself because you know how some people say " Just change the channel" or "don't watch". so, I was saying that yes, I don't need to watch, but that doesnt mean that I can't comment on whats so bothersome about our daily entertainment sources. Didn't mean to tell you not to watch 😊
Yeah, I never watched that show, but saw an episode or 2 and found it very relaxed and normal. No OTT drama and tension inducing stuff lol
@bold- Totally on the same ship.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: AshRun


@bold- Yes, but as an American I can tell you, young college students here also live very difficult lives. Working to support themselves financially while studying, working multiple jobs etc. But they are open to watching shows where people live a different life from theirs because the writing is so creative and intelligent. Its like the Mcdonalds quote form Pakistani Actor Shehreyar Munawar that I used : this stuff pollutes peoples minds and they will not like how their thinking shapes up 20 years from now.





That's the thing, am not talking about you and me or college going students or even the people working for a living, mostly all the TRP aunties are housewives and their problems are usually marital or domestic.

We are independent because we work and earn our own living, so our hardships and struggles are different from those TRP aunties. They don't work and are dependent bother emotionally and financially on their hubby or in laws so when they see FL being emotional tortured they can relate, or when they see the FL fighting against all odds, they can relate. A TRP auntie cannot relate with a FL who had a mind of her her own and who wouldn't give a damn about what her hubby thinks and who actually have the guts to give back to him after whatever crap he throws her way. It is very sad and unfortunate and what's more shocking that its not just women who are uneducated, even very educated women under different circumstances fall prey to such situations that they tolerate the emotional and even physical abuse thrown at them.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: xaviara



That's the thing, am not talking about you and me or college going students or even the people working for a living, mostly all the TRP aunties are housewives and their problems are usually marital or domestic.

We are independent because we work and earn our own living, so our hardships and struggles are different from those TRP aunties. They don't work and are dependent bother emotionally and financially on their hubby or in laws so when they see FL being emotional tortured they can relate, or when they see the FL fighting against all odds, they can relate. A TRP auntie cannot relate with a FL who had a mind of her her own and who wouldn't give a damn about what her hubby thinks and who actually have the guts to give back to him after whatever crap he throws her way. It is very sad and unfortunate and what's more shocking that its not just women who are uneducated, even very educated women under different circumstances fall prey to such situations that they tolerate the emotional and even physical abuse thrown at them.


I understand your point, but then in Pakistan itself, didn't Zindagi Gulzar Hai do well? It had modern couples' problems and not much abuse by in-laws but the writing stole the show, so even people with sad lives loved how the female lead learns to appreciate life's blessings. So, it is not necessary that people want to only want to watch their sort of problems on screen or they can't watch people get married in a normal way like the leads on ZGH got married. The writing was so tactful and skillful that people loved the real problems. These hate marriages and contract marriages are not as real and that is not the reason why they can hope to strike a cord with the audiences. They should show arranged marriages if they really want to connect with TRP audience, but this OTT hate marriage is unacceptable and people are being forced to love it.
I will have to respectfully disagree with you on this, but I really appreciate you giving your insight on it.
Edited by AshRun - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Hey, good post. And believe me, I hear you. I find it so frustrating that people enjoy such stuff on TV. I don't mind some dramatization, but the concept has to be practical for me. I generally tend to stay away from TV shows for that reason, I know that at the end, I will be disappointed.

I do agree that India is progressing at a very fast pace. But I also believe that it may be the more fast paced in the urban areas. And even here, maybe the present generation is more open minded in comparison to our parents and grand parents. As amazed as I am at times, much to my chagrin, I realize that the orthodoxy, traditionalism, submissiveness, martyr-ism are all so much higher in my parents / in-laws than it is in our generation. They are still bound by rituals and societal pressures against practicality in a lot of occasions.

Since the general TV watching audience is maybe middle-aged (for all of us watch shows on laptops / online I am assuming), such tracks may still be popular.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Luna46

I know what u r saying, it's not only about Indian TV but also about Indian movies...first of all we need to understand what is today's India??? the youths who live in urban cities don't only represent today's India...it all has people living in small cities and villages and backward sections of society, these people still have a backward mentality...they r not so intelligent to understand good plots with interesting characters...they want the same stereotyped plots with stereotyped characters...Ultimately it's their choice but these tracks give a very wrong message and believe it or not...movies and shows do effect our mentality...producers dont care about creativity...all that matters to them is TRP...its everything for them but I dont think so...otherwise a channel like sony wouldn't have existed ...i dont even want shivika marriage, they could have get married after confession but gul cant think beyond hate/contract marriage and bride swap.



I agree, the tracks do give wrong messages. And I wanted to throw up when Annika was crying under the veil, shivaay was telling her to cover her face and dragging her for pheras. In real life, wedding guests would call him out on that behavior.

Yes, today's India doesn't just include the urban population. But then isnt rural India changing fast too ? They are so much more aware now. Auto drivers' children are becoming doctors, engineers, which is amazing. People in villages and chaiwalas are using PAYTM and cell phones. I'm sure they will learn to exercise their brains if writers also do the same.

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