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Posted: 8 years ago

#51

Originally posted by: ArhiIPKKND
Well done my dear...u put in words what i truly fear as well...beautiful story...well thought out this time...not much revealed but yes...is it too well done?... oh dear i hope not ...i am waiting to c this resolved satisfactorily n realistically...
One thought though...why IS shivaay so stuck on this??? His grandad was not khandaani(om mentioned this) his mom is more like annika (but his parents r not happy)...his ideal would b tej n janvi BUT they r a bigger disaster than his parents...while his dadi is d only one who seems to hv been happy...i wonder if d answeris somewhere in there...❓
Ur thoughts on this...if u hv d time...

Great point and something I think will be central to the story, (if GUL doesn't decide to ignore this) sorry I was at work so couldn't respond until now! but here is my take on this, and most of it is pure speculation, so bear with me!

Look at the marriages all three Oberoi brothers have as examples, and then look at the women they know in their lives. The best marriage they know of is Dadaji and Dadi, a love story for the ages--but not one of the boys have ever met their Dada-ji, they've just heard stories. In answer to your question--he knows his family position is owed to their name, and to money. And to maintain that position, he will do nothing to hurt that lineage. His name is his identity, and his identity has given him the strength to protect his brothers, the money to succeed for them so Omkara can go be an artist, Rudra can buy two cars a week, and the power to keep his family (and the women in it) safe.

He is very patriarchal in his attitude--and what he has of his Dada-ji (his idol) and Tej (his mentor) is just name, their blood and his relationship with them. All the powerful people he knows-dead or alive--are these men.

If Shivaay is the one most like his dead dada-ji,like Dadi says at the beginning, he going to fall, and fall MADLY, for ONE woman, and be her Ishqbaaz. But how will he value a woman enough to get there? To forget what has been his entire belief system, and change for her and JUST for her? No woman can change him to that extent, even now. The women he knows so far are submissive as hell. Prinku, Janvi, Tia, Mallika, Pinky--not one has stood upto him or even made dent in his inner circle. Only men are allowed into Shivaay's inner circle, actually-a hugely telling thing is that Prinku does not figure even once in his midnight talks or "Dil Bole Oberoi" dialogue.

Shivaay is a alpha male, his own father is certainly not someone he can respect, so the man he respects is Tej, a man no one can say is respectful of women, so that Shivaay can learn by example. That leaves learning from his mother-- and there Shivaay is right. He does not ---nor can he--- look up to his mother. Pinky and Shakti have a cold, loveless distant marriage. Pinky is someone both Shakti AND Shivaay are ashamed of. When he was young, Pinky did not value his brothers, she tried to manipulate him, and as the elder brother who adored his Om-Ru, this was unforgivable. Growing up, the brothers only had each other, and her campaign against Tej's kids has ensured that now, as an adult, Shivaay does not trust her. She does love him, but he still thinks she mainly wants him to be the family head, so she looks good. Janvi is his real "mother figure" and he respects and listens to her more than Pinky. But even there, what a horrible marriage! What a depressed, weak and unhappy woman! If you include Roop Bua, assuming she lived in the Oberoi Mansion while the brothers were growing up (she has implied this) -- she had her own husband jailed for her crimes, and is a sly and evil woman, not to be trusted.

Not a single strong, independent woman in any of the brothers' lives growing up (other than Dadi), and not one of them are in good marriages, either (Dada-ji is dead, after all).

I think all three brothers will have a hard time accepting partners that are in some ways, stronger and different than them, but most of all, Shivaay will struggle-- because Anika really IS stronger-- in ALL ways-- than him. The marriages they have as examples are so flawed with the power imbalance, there will be serious problems between their FL and the Obros. Look at the other brothers-- Soumya is smarter, stronger and much much more mature than Rudra, and it is Rudra who will have to really change to be worthy of HER. And as long as Om gets someone as strong, sly, manipulative and fierce as Ishana was, I will be happy with his FL, whoevere the hell she is!

But the issue is marriage--what example do these OBros have before them? And does a female empowerment message really mean the woman wont change at all and all the imperative to change is on the men? Doesn't that make the girls Devi like creatures **Romi** in a way? Thoughts?

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Posted: 8 years ago

#52

Originally posted by: napstermonster

Great point and something I think will be central to the story, (if GUL doesn't decide to ignore this) sorry I was at work so couldn't respond until now! but here is my take on this, and most of it is pure speculation, so bear with me!

Look at the marriages all three Oberoi brothers have as examples, and then look at the women they know in their lives. The best marriage they know of is Dadaji and Dadi, a love story for the ages--but not one of the boys have ever met their Dada-ji, they've just heard stories. If Shivaay is the one most like his dead dada-ji, he is powerful, ruthless, and ready to fall for ONE woman, and be her Ishqbaaz.

But how will he value a woman enough to get there? To forget what has been his entire life story, and change for her and JUST for her? The women he knows so far are submissive as hell. Prinku, Janvi, Tia, Mallika, Pinky--not one has stood upto him or even made dent in his inner circle. Only men are allowed into Shivaay's inner circle, actually-a hugely telling thing is that Prinku is so sweet and a part of his family and does not figure even once in his midnight talks or "Dil Bole Oberoi" dialogue.

Shivaay is a alpha male, his own father is certainly not someone he can respect, so th man he respects is Tej, a man no one can say is "female friendly" or someone who treats the women in his life with respect, so that Shivaay can learn by example. That leaves learning fromhis mother-- and there Shivaay is right. He does not, nor can, he look up to his mother. When he was a child, Pinky really alienated herself, she did not value his brothers, tried to manipulate him to get the Oberoi Industries for him. Her campaign has ensured that now, as an adult, he does not trust that she even loves him as much as she wants him to be the head of the family, so she looks good. Janvi is his real "mother figure" and he values respects and listens to her more than Pinky. But Janvi is weak and an alcoholic,

If you include Roop--she was a sly evil woman, Pinky is ruthless and grasping. Not a single strong, independant woman in his life growing up (other than Dadi), and not one of them are in good marriages, either (Dada-ji is dead, after all).

I think all three brothers will have a hard time accepting partners that are in some ways, stronger and different to them, but most of all, Shivaay. because Anika really IS stronger in ALL ways, than him. Also, the marriages they have as examples are so flawed with the power imbalance, there will be srious problems between their FL and them. Look at the other brothers-- Soumya is smarter, stronger and much much more mature than Rudra, and it is Rudra who will have to really change to be worthy of HER. And as long as Om gets someone as strong, sly, manipulative and fierce as Ishana was, I will be happy with his FL, whoevere the hell she is!

But the issue is marriage--what example do these OBros have before them? And does female empowerment message really mean the woman wont change at all and all the imperative to change is on the men? Doesn't that make the girls devi like creatues, Romi, in a way? Thoughts?

Once again, amazing point but I have a slightly different view to this. I am going to give you an analogy here that I learnt at my five years of hell in architecture school. I had a teacher who used to say to me that sometimes, its okay to not know what to do. Sometimes, your starting point can be simply being aware of what NOT to do!

It took me a long time to actually understand and more, getting on to implementing that but eventually, I did in fact come to terms with that. Suffice it to say, it was a lesson not only for design but also for life.

I think the same thing follows for these characters. These three brothers have examples of the worst marriages in front of them - hence they have been around plenty of wrongs and have a good deal of knowledge about how NOT to go about any relationship. So I think the rational and intelligent thing to do would be go about the opposite way. It's like Trickle Down Economics - why go about it over and over again time and time and again when you know that the only thing you will find at the end is nothing but economic recession?! Let's hope these characters will have enough sense for that.

But, I don't think that only the males have to evolve, the females have a long way to too. Think about it, what is the one thing that all these three brothers have but none of the females do? Each other! ShivOmRu are a unit and have been for a long time. Sure they each have a different set of role within this given unit, but they are used to leaning on each other - and hence leaning on some one - when the situation calls for it! Our girls don't have that. Yes, Anika has Sahil but she doesn't share her burdens with him. Soumya may talk to her mom but she handles things herself and simply tells her mother about it. So I think if the men need to learn about power balance in a relationship, then the girl need to open up and learn to lean - Not because they have to, but because they want to. They need t learn the difference between leaning on someone in the time of need and depending on someone.

Again, this is all about balance. And I think ultimately that's what all these characters need for all of them, at this given moment, are into extremes. Shivaay is too rigid and set in his ways, Anika a little too childish at times. Rudra takes his carefree attitude too far, while Soumya is too locked up due to the lessons from her past. And Om needs to look at the double-dealings within his own home and heart and concentrate a little less on the idea of perfection in flawed human beings. Each and every single one of these characters are at two ends of a line and they need to walk to the middle individually in order to form a unit.

At least, that is what I think.

But again, can such a story really be portrayed outside of literature when it is so rarely found in the amazing and far reaching world of books?! Hope springs eternal, doesn't it?

So I guess, once again, hope for the best and prepare for the worst is all we can do! And in the meantime, there is day dreaming and fanfiction to hold us over!

Love,

A.C.

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199190

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Posted: 8 years ago

#53

Originally posted by: redkelly

I really really think Pinky and Anika can't be compared. Frankly it wouldn't be fair for Anika. Pinky and Shakti had an arranged loveless marriage and Pinky had none of the fiery spirit that Anika has; she accepts the status quo and tries desperately to fit into high class society (and fails classically).
I feel as many pointed out that it is Anika's EDUCATION and her refusal to accept the status quo that sets her apart from Pinky. You see, Anika WORKS HARD and she respects herself and this latter point is what makes her despite the whole incompatibility with Shivaay, perfect for him. Worthy of him (word used in the most ironic sense).
Jhanvi clearly didn't work out for Tej; if Shivaay ended up with a Jhanvi he would have not only have a loveless marriage, but the power imbalance between him and his wife would stretch on for miles- he'd get a fantastic ego boost (NOT SOMETHING HE NEEDS!) and never realise his shortcomings and the sad reality of his sad life. I meant that.
I guess this ultimately shows love conquers all and love is all we need as clichd as that sounds!
The point being: Anika is perfect. She carries her 'low class' status with style and the fact that this is an oxymoron proves it!
Love, love the comments here! I'm having a hard time believing an Indian drama can be analysed to death like this!

Well said sir/ madam

It is ok, to say that pinky and anika dont appear similar . Anika doesn't speak like her. She does not behave in an embarrassing manner .but i do think pinky has a fiery spirit. However i am afraid that the way pinky is given a footmat status by her husband , anika should not suffer a similar disrespect at the hands of shivaay. Tej and jhanvi had a disastrous marriage because tej is a man of questionable character( a man with mistress despite having a wife in my opinion is a man of questionable character , without any fault of jhanvi , she is perfect in every way possible and loves him too) shivaay is not like tej. If he married someone like jhanvi then he would have treated her with recpect and love. even if he marries queen elizabeth or any girl for that matter , he would never do that to his wife. My point is they should have shown anika with some solid education. I wanted anika to have a career on her own. I mean she is doing something as of now but i wanted something concrete , so that once this job is over she does not have to think what other field to work in.i have respect for all forms of human labour but i am not asking for alot. In future if tej tricks shivaay out of business or harms him , i want anika to retaliate with technicality. I don't bother about her class because in fiction class is seen as some sort of social evil which will eventually vanish for hero well thats ok its not real life. I hope in future anika does not have to strive for shivaays love, hope they wont show that he keeps on insulting her and she keeps on saving him and he says sorry and everything is rosy again . Because thats not what strong women do. Strong woman confronts when she is disrespected without any fault of hers. Hope gul keeps her promise of delivering a strong woman character. Someone like the old anika, who wont take anyones shit

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Posted: 8 years ago

#54

Originally posted by: dattu21

well said!

BOLD = Totally true & i want this in #ib but we know we won't Get it!
today EducAtion is essential &plays crucial role in everyone's life.it will be new point & realistic but here they even don"t keep anika outside oberoi mantion ! I want anika to make her career & become something ! JUST HOPE SO...

Thank you so much for understanding my point of view. It is a not a lot to ask for. And they still have a chance to show this in future

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Posted: 8 years ago

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Originally posted by: 199190

Well said sir/ madam
It is ok, to say that pinky and anika dont appear similar . Anika doesn't speak like her. She does not behave in an embarrassing manner .but i do think pinky has a fiery spirit. However i am afraid that the way pinky is given a footmat status by her husband , anika should not suffer a similar disrespect at the hands of shivaay. Tej and jhanvi had a disastrous marriage because tej is a man of questionable character( a man with mistress despite having a wife in my opinion is a man of questionable character , without any fault of jhanvi , she is perfect in every way possible and loves him too) shivaay is not like tej. If he married someone like jhanvi then he would have treated her with recpect and love. even if he marries queen elizabeth or any girl for that matter , he would never do that to his wife. My point is they should have shown anika with some solid education. I wanted anika to have a career on her own. I mean she is doing something as of now but i wanted something concrete , so that once this job is over she does not have to think what other field to work in.i have respect for all forms of human labour but i am not asking for alot. In future if tej tricks shivaay out of business or harms him , i want anika to retaliate with technicality. I don't bother about her class because in fiction class is seen as some sort of social evil which will eventually vanish for hero well thats ok its not real life. I hope in future anika does not have to strive for shivaays love, hope they wont show that he keeps on insulting her and she keeps on saving him and he says sorry and everything is rosy again . Because thats not what strong women do. Strong woman confronts when she is disrespected without any fault of hers. Hope gul keeps her promise of delivering a strong woman character. Someone like the old anika, who wont take anyones shit

Call me madam love, it's much more accurate!

Anika IS educated. Remember the scene where Shivaay lists all these crazy names of various foods and Anika is drawing cartoons and not listening to him? Afterwards, when he shouts at her she repeats all the names back to him and reminds him that she specialises in catering. This shows the girl is highly educated and knows her stuff and has an area of expertise. She could have gotten jobs but they were all shot down by Shivaay back when he was being a cow (oh wait, he's still a cow). She also experiences the automatic class disadvantage which prevents her from getting a good job that matches her qualifications.

Also Shivaay has a very traditional view of the role of women and men; he's always said he wants the woman to be the homemaker and not have any aspirations beyond that. So if he ended up with someone like Jhanvi who is classy and intelligent and loyal, she'd just be downtrodden by him, exactly as Tej did.

Also I think the biggest barrier Shivaay and Anika face is Shivaay's ego. You can tell he knows she's right but he can't admit it because then what would that make him? Someone completely worthless who can't rightfully sat he's accomplished anything in life. That would really smash his ego (excuse the violent language). I felt this when he let the goons beat him up all the while remembering all the horrid stuff he said to her. It was like he was punishing himself for doing what he did and even entertaining a low opinion of her when he knows she's way way above that. And that's why I think there is room- very little but room nevertheless- for him to change. He's on his way there and he don't even know it.

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Posted: 8 years ago

#56

Originally posted by: redkelly

Call me madam love, it's much more accurate!
Anika IS educated. Remember the scene where Shivaay lists all these crazy names of various foods and Anika is drawing cartoons and not listening to him? Afterwards, when he shouts at her she repeats all the names back to him and reminds him that she specialises in catering. This shows the girl is highly educated and knows her stuff and has an area of expertise. She could have gotten jobs but they were all shot down by Shivaay back when he was being a cow (oh wait, he's still a cow). She also experiences the automatic class disadvantage which prevents her from getting a good job that matches her qualifications.
Also Shivaay has a very traditional view of the role of women and men; he's always said he wants the woman to be the homemaker and not have any aspirations beyond that. So if he ended up with someone like Jhanvi who is classy and intelligent and loyal, she'd just be downtrodden by him, exactly as Tej did.
Also I think the biggest barrier Shivaay and Anika face is Shivaay's ego. You can tell he knows she's right but he can't admit it because then what would that make him? Someone completely worthless who can't rightfully sat he's accomplished anything in life. That would really smash his ego (excuse the violent language). I felt this when he let the goons beat him up all the while remembering all the horrid stuff he said to her. It was like he was punishing himself for doing what he did and even entertaining a low opinion of her when he knows she's way way above that. And that's why I think there is room- very little but room nevertheless- for him to change. He's on his way there and he don't even know it.

Well just the way comparing anika to pinky is wrong to anika in the same way comparing shivaay to tej is offensive to shivaays character. Tej i will repeat is a man of questionable character. He has a dutiful , beautiful, loving , highly educated wife and still he got a mistress for himself and cheated on his wife repeatedly. If shivaay had a wife like jhanvi he would treat her the same way as tej did no way. Thats not possible . Not possible in this or any parallel universe. Shivaay does believe in traditional goals for woman but he does not have loose morals like tej does. As a matter of fact if shivaay had a wife like pinky even then shivaay would not have treated her the way tej treated jhanvi. Shivaay maybe a little streotypical but he respects woman. Shivaay is a man of high morals. And that cant be denied. And i personally never blame shivaay for believing in class , family name or lineage.he has been shown ruthless in the past to anika even though because at that time he believed that anika was responsible for ill state of his brother whom he loves passionately. Most of us in society belive in class and family name. There is nothing wrong in a man wanting to marry a woman with high class. Nothing at all. And regarding shivaays ego , yes shivaay has a big one but he has said sorry and thank you to anika when it was required even though he has not yet acknowledged his love for her so in future it would not be a problem as is evident from previous gul shows that after the guy falls in.love he compromises his ego even though it is so damn difficult for him and shivaay has started compromising his ego now itself at an early stage that shows courage and integrity . Shivaay stands by his beliefs . And i want his woman to compliment him in every walk of life someone who is equal to him in every aspect that can be possibly named. I don't require his girl to be blue blood but someone who has achieved things so that she can be respected despite not being blue blood. It was my opinion that i am entitled to. And it is not wrong in anyway. Every one has aspirations regarding how a story should shape. Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion

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#57

Originally posted by: 199190

Well just the way comparing anika to pinky is wrong to anika in the same way comparing shivaay to tej is offensive to shivaays character. Tej i will repeat is a man of questionable character. He has a dutiful , beautiful, loving , highly educated wife and still he got a mistress for himself and cheated on his wife repeatedly. If shivaay had a wife like jhanvi he would treat her the same way as tej did no way. Thats not possible . Not possible in this or any parallel universe. Shivaay does believe in traditional goals for woman but he does not have loose morals like tej does. As a matter of fact if shivaay had a wife like pinky even then shivaay would not have treated her the way tej treated jhanvi. Shivaay maybe a little streotypical but he respects woman. Shivaay is a man of high morals. And that cant be denied. And i personally never blame shivaay for believing in class , family name or lineage.he has been shown ruthless in the past to anika even though because at that time he believed that anika was responsible for ill state of his brother whom he loves passionately. Most of us in society belive in class and family name. There is nothing wrong in a man wanting to marry a woman with high class. Nothing at all. And regarding shivaays ego , yes shivaay has a big one but he has said sorry and thank you to anika when it was required even though he has not yet acknowledged his love for her so in future it would not be a problem as is evident from previous gul shows that after the guy falls in.love he compromises his ego even though it is so damn difficult for him and shivaay has started compromising his ego now itself at an early stage that shows courage and integrity . Shivaay stands by his beliefs . And i want his woman to compliment him in every walk of life someone who is equal to him in every aspect that can be possibly named. I don't require his girl to be blue blood but someone who has achieved things so that she can be respected despite not being blue blood. It was my opinion that i am entitled to. And it is not wrong in anyway. Every one has aspirations regarding how a story should shape. Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion

That's fine: everyone's entitled to their opinion like you said. I'll have to respectfully disagree with you though because I don't have such a high opinion of Shivaay's character. I think he has a long long way to go and he has real egoistical issues especially in terms of the fact that he has to feel he is in control. His ruthless business man persona and attitude towards life/class etc which I completely disagree with makes him an almost carbon copy of Tej in my view.

But yes, we all have different opinions.

Sorry if it seemed like I came on too strong.

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Posted: 8 years ago

#58

Originally posted by: 199190
I feel as many pointed out that it is Anika's EDUCATION and her refusal to accept the status quo that sets her apart from Pinky. You see, Anika WORKS HARD and she respects herself and this latter point is what makes her despite the whole incompatibility with Shivaay, perfect for him. Worthy of him (word used in the most ironic sense).
Jhanvi clearly didn't work out for Tej; if Shivaay ended up with a Jhanvi he would have not only have a loveless marriage, but the power imbalance between him and his wife would stretch on for miles- he'd get a fantastic ego boost (NOT SOMETHING HE NEEDS!) and never realise his shortcomings and the sad reality of his sad life. I meant that.
I guess this ultimately shows love conquers all and love is all we need as clichd as that sounds!
The point being: Anika is perfect. She carries her 'low class' status with style and the fact that this is an oxymoron proves it!
Love, love the comments here! I'm having a hard time believing an Indian drama can be analysed to death like this!Also I think the biggest barrier Shivaay and Anika face is Shivaay's ego. You can tell he knows she's right but he can't admit it because then what would that make him? Someone completely worthless who can't rightfully sat he's accomplished anything in life. That would really smash his ego (excuse the violent language). I felt this when he let the goons beat him up all the while remembering all the horrid stuff he said to her. It was like he was punishing himself for doing what he did and even entertaining a low opinion of her when he knows she's way way above that. And that's why I think there is room- very little but room nevertheless- for him to change. He's on his way there and he don't even know it.

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Sorry, quoting two different posts has messed up the formatting. But having read both of your passionate arguments, i find myself wondering whether for the first time,we are getting a realistic conundrum/couple from Gul Khan --long overdue, after 5 plus shows. The issue is, BOTH of you are right, in a way. Let me explain:

Firstly, maybe it is the snob in me, maybe its the realist---but I agree with 199190 in her assertion that Shivaay's beliefs are not wrong, and should not be dismissed or condemned. As those beliefs stand right now, they are extreme, sure-- I mean, he chooses who his enemies and his friends are based on their background, and that's just ridiculous-- but when it comes to who he marries? I think it makes sense. Who do you know who has married WELL beyond his/her class, (and yes, I'll be NON PC and say--married much richer or much poorer partners without the matching education/upbringing) and has been happy with the choice all throughout? That happens only on film, come on --- and even Raja Hindustani or any Govinda film with this plot-line showed the couple had problems before love winning all.

The idea that love conquers all and all you need is love and love is going to make everything okay is amazing and sweet and romantic and totally, totally dangerous. Love does not change human nature, and it is human nature to want certain things from your partner, and it is human nature to resent them if you are disappointed in them, let down by them.

Shivaay shouldn't be made to give up what he can expect from his bride just because he has to fall in love, and Gul has decided that love means a character transplant for any hero she creates. So far, she has given us a nice two edged sword, where we understand BOTH viewpoints coming from Anika and from Shivaay. And because his one is obviously the extreme viewpoint, we are expecting that one to change. But -- We live in the real world, maybe not the high society of the Oberois, but even where we live, I think I can count on one hand how many marriages I know have WORKED when it comes to the hugely different background of the husband/wife.

Just love is not enough. Love has to adjust to the reality of daily life, of kids, of in laws, of friends and society and bosses and the workplace and expectations from all those places/things that is placed on both the husband and the wife to manage and balance.

And with the Shivika marriage being as unbalanced to extent Anika and Shivaay's will be, right now,??? How can this make sense if neither one of them (and I INCLUDE Anika) changes for the other, OR if JUST Shivaay changes, and Anika goes on like she is??

Its not just the issue of appearance which honestly, Anika absolutely nails--I find her manners, her bearing and her maturity very very compelling, and easily can see her being a bit more polished if Janvi and Prinku decided to give her a hand. Already, her taste, her morals and even the way she presents herself is quite impeccable. Its very notable that when she speaks to her contemporaries like Prinku, OmRu, Mallika Shivaay etc, she uses her funny hindi and tapori dialogue. She is always proper when she speaks to Dadi, in front of the Chabra family, or to Tej/Janvi/Pinky. That is because she is not some village belle, she is an independent, urban, smart Mumbai girl who has worked for years and knows how to behave. And that means, even though she DOES lack an education and it is too late for her to be a doctor or something, it means she has the skills to change. AND I think she SHOULD change, because a marriage has to be between them both, and Shivaay Singh Oberoi is not some typical office worker/chawl dweller.

He is an Oberoi, and she will be his visible partner, and she will love him and he will have made a pretty huge adjustment to have her in his life. I'm not saying she should be grateful to him, please don't misunderstand--but being an Oberoi bride----That is a job as much as anything else she does right now. It is something Pinky HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO DO, and regretted, all her life. And janvi DOES, and has done, in the past. Being a modern woman does not automatically mean working--plenty of people work with their husbands, after all.

Anika has to care enough about Shivaay to realize it wont affect her self respect to improve, or at least learn to fake, the polish that is expected of his wife. If he can change enough to accept her as she is-what cant she change to match him more? Just a little?

Or have I torn just up my woman/feminist/female power card here? 😆

(Totally as an aside--- I think of Khushi from IPKKND, and I wonder--why the hell couldn't she have been given Anika's amount of self awareness and COMMON SENSE? I mean, Anika is not that much more "educated" and she still knows how to speak, dress and conduct herself in the Mansion. Come on, Khushi couldn't pick up a fashion magazine once in a while, or learn how to behave at a classy party from Payal --WHO DOES SO MUCH BETTER THAN HER??? 😆 Rant over)

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Anu

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Posted: 8 years ago

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I ace been following this thread from yesterday because your post was disturbing to say the very least.It kind of burst my very pretty pink bubble on Shivika. In the modern day like so many smarter people have commented before me , love is not enough...after the initial romance and eyelocks it will wear off and leave only regret in its wake. I loved the many solutions that people presented, Shivaay having to live like a commoner and Anika getting a good education so that she can match upto him, make a name for her self and establish a name for herself, even if it doesnt have a surname.

As for Khushi, she led a relatively sheltered life unlike Anika. Anika becomes street smart and made an identity for herself. She is not even formally adopted by Saahil's parents!! But Khushi had the love of her Bauji, Amma and sister and even her sometimes unkind buaji cared for her. She was still the baby of the family and they entertained her craziness and antics. I do agree on the fact that this is no excuse for her behaviour...I am merely stating the reason why their characters are probably poles apart.

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Posted: 8 years ago

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Hi Guys, So I am pretty new to India Forums and Ishqbaaz is probably the first Indian drama that has had me completely hooked. Having read some of your amazing views on the show and especially Shivaay's character development - I had this nagging feeling of penning down what could be some of his own struggles since the last couple of episodes.

Shout out to Napstermonster and all of you guys who have been sharing insights of the story - I love reading them and yes, I completely agree with what has already been said.

I have written this short OS and would love to share this with you guys. It follows from two episodes ago when Shivaay had announced his wedding to Tia in front of his full family.

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"That soft tug - what was that?"

[Shivaay's POV]

I couldn't work. I couldn't sleep. I couldn't eat. I couldn't function in this way. And I knew this - I knew this feeling - frustration. Yes that was it; I rationalized, this was frustration. But there was something else too, was it anxiety?

Anxiety. Yes, now this was certainly a first. Shivaay Sing Oberoi was anxious?

Why? This was absurd. Even the word sounded so alien. Tiredly, he rubbed his forehead. Of course there were some major issues circling his family again - but for the first time in his life it seemed that his mind refused to prioritize his family. But even as the thought crossed his mind, he immediately (more like an involuntary reflux) started grappling with the whole murder mystery instinctively.

It was obvious that Gayatri had been trying to harm his family since the last few months - and she had been murdered? How? Wasn't she hiding and running from him?

And even as he struggled with the memories of the accidents' and incidents' of the last few weeks, suddenly, his eyes flew open as he settled on a most recent memory.

That night - the last phone call - when he was with Anika - yes - Gayatri had mentioned others? There were others? Others who would like to harm the family? Some who would go so far as to commit murders?

He groaned as the throbbing in his head worsened.

But that was it, as soon as he had thought that name; he was again pushed into this new labyrinth of alien emotions. Anika. Even within the constraints of his mind, the name sounded almost like a reverent murmur - a plea - what was this?

In an instant, he was taken back to the previous night when he fallen asleep in her lap. And for the first time, Shivaay Singh Oberoi admitted to himself that this alien anxiety and this confusion affected him. She affected him.

But why? This was the question that he struggled with the most.

In the quietness and the privacy of his mind, he grudgingly admitted that he had been completely wrong about her. She was not only deserving of his respect, but he had started admiring her. And even as he accepted this foreign revelation to himself, he realized that he was drawn to her in ways he had never imagined possible.

She intrigued him. But why? That was his final thought as he succumbed to exhaustion for the night.

This confusion, this uncharacteristically absurd assault of his own emotions - they seemed to now have taken up his entire focus - hence leaving him outwardly dysfunctional it seemed. Wherever he went, these emotions, they seemed to always be at the back of his mind - resurfacing every now and then - especially when he was doing something that his mind could reconnect with her.

Like now, when he was drinking his morning coffee, and he was immediately rewarded by the memory of her recalling the name of the coffee - Sairabano - Americano? What? He remembered correcting her with mild indignation - it was an espresso for crying out loud. But what had actually thrown him completely off was the hint of a smile on his face that he had caught on himself in the mirror as he walked past it - and the hurricane of warmth that had surrounded him as he played out that memory. Of course there was no end to this invasive torture.

Because even as he turned the corner in the passageway, he slowed down involuntarily as she came into view on the other end of the corridor.

Even before he had finished that thought, he felt the full force of the emotion hit him for the first time. He had felt some of this before - but he had never felt its full force till this moment.

Involuntarily (again, he reveled in fascination) his eyes were drawn to hers - and for a moment he could swear that time had stood still.

She had beautiful dark honey brown eyes he noted.

And even as his legs continued towards her, he could feel the full force of emotions engulfing him and he struggled to break the eye-lock - a necessity he realized if he wanted to keep to his original plan.

Trying to understand these different emotions - he struggled to even remember where he was actually going then. Why were his palms all of a sudden slightly sticky? He felt the familiar wharf of warmth as his senses recognized her presence - but this time there was something else too.

His heart felt a little heavy - and for the first time he felt his heat beat quicken.

Moments felt like years as they started to cross each other - and then a jolt. A soft tug at his right hand brought him to a complete standstill.

Feeling completely vulnerable for the first time in his adult life, he turned around only to come face to face with her fully.

This proximity left him momentarily incapable of movement - which seemed to have given her a chance to try and gently tug at his offending sleeve that had stuck to her bracelet again.

She was tugging at his cufflink gently he realized; and that's precisely what brought him back. Even as he stared into her eyes for the second time in that corridor, he realized that the vulnerability that he had been battling with now and every single second of the day was reflecting back in her beautiful almost doe-like orbs too.

Even as he battled with this vulnerability - he realized that there was an even more overpowering emotion. He was feeling protective. He didn't want her to be thrown into this mess - she should not have to deal with such demons.

Could I make this better? Should I tell her something?

Instinctively he reached to unhook the bracelet from the cufflink - and even as he gently tugged on it - he could feel a familiar pull at his heartstring.

Even as the bracelet fell free - he felt both him and her turn instinctively away from each other.

As if needing to put as much physical space as possible between them; he hurried to the nearest exit corner and turned.

Still reeling from the burst of emotions, he leaned back into the wall to try and gain back some of the control on his extremely foreign emotions.

But he was slowly realizing that he had lost the battle (again), he was drawn to her in some sort of a magnetic way. Because suddenly he had this uncontrollable need to look at her one more time.

Possessed, he turned and half peeked back through the corner. But he couldn't see her - and he wasn't ready to feel that slight pang of disappointment that rushed into him as he turned back into the wall.

What was this? What was happening to him? He closed his eyes in defeat and reveled in that moment when he had felt her softly tugging at his sleeve where her bracelet had been stuck.

His eyes flew open in shock as he realized that that soft tugging mimicked the exact rhythm that he was reeling from when he had felt the slight tug at his heartstrings.

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