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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Simplypriceless

^I agree she seems educated to be honest she can read and write well and she got a great art skill too. They're many things proven so far that she's a mutitalent girl. Look how well she design the mandap! She can also memorize without writing anything down. to be honest she seems more educated than Shivaay too going by how much she knows she is shown to be both book and street smart if Gul haven't mentioned about her not being a blue blood I am sure many of us will be guessing till now about her character and she's much more than she seems.



.. exactly and that is my point.
She exudes and oozes self confidence and grit. Has a unique style that is all her own. She is talented, smart and an extrovert with a mind of her own. I can point out many blue bloods (Prinku for example if you want to get closer to home) who do not have half of what Annika has. As you pointed out street smart and well read to add to that lovely package that God put together.
In all respects an Alpha Female who has Shivvay fearfully running for the hills. He likes his woman tamed and boring because it is less of a challenge. He is set in his ways at his age and does not want change.
Annika's official song for her Sangeet should be
"MAIN KYA KARU RAM MUJHE BUDDHA MIL GAYA" 🤣🤣
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Prinku is still young and she wasn't thought well by her father and brothers she's like the baby of the house while Anika been doing everything for herself at a young age so it's unfair to compare them

But Anika looks like she's more educated than SSO though. Her art skill is as good as Omkara. She works multijobs to provide for her and Sahil nothing she does have been cheap and bad she's well organized I know many people does clumsy work and made mistake but Anika does flawless work without making mistakes.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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@Napster a brilliant post... well written..👏👏👏

@asya.. another brilliant piece.. on Shivika..👏👏

You both have said it all.. nothing more to add.. plenty of food for thought. 😊
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Posted: 8 years ago
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I am worried too.. I don't want the magical blue blood .. I want a diff story and a diff reason for him to accept her ..

Pls no revenge marriage, accidental marriage nor any saving izzat marriage..

I think their love story is beyond that.. and hopefullyGul has planned something..

As of now nothing has hppnd the normal way.. I am loving it..
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Posted: 8 years ago
#75

Originally posted by: naj7

I am worried too.. I don't want the magical blue blood .. I want a diff story and a diff reason for him to accept her ..

Pls no revenge marriage, accidental marriage nor any saving izzat marriage..

I think their love story is beyond that.. and hopefullyGul has planned something..

As of now nothing has hppnd the normal way.. I am loving it..

Annika ke language mein kahoo tho... same-to-same😉
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Posted: 8 years ago
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@napstermonster awesome post. You have written everything perfectly
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Very well written.
The three oberio brothers have one extremist quality and thier partner is a total negation to it.

In Shivaay's case, the extremist quality is about lineage and bloodline. He is obsessed about family name and the love of his life doesn't have that. She has every other thing but she lacks blood!

Now the question is this is not a story which will love at unrequited love, it will not end with the hero loosing his biggest happiness because of one stubborn belief, he WILL fall in love .. but how?

I believe that for shivaay to fall in love with Anika he needs to go through redemption away from Anika. He doesn't need to do an ehsaan on Anika that he will overlook khoon khaandaan just for her, thats a huge dent on Anika's self respect, he needs to realise that his belief is wrong. He needs to understand that lineage does not matter, and he needs to do that not for Anika but for his own.

I dont know if anyone here has seen Tumhari Paakhi, but the protagonist of that show underwent the most beautiful redemption ever shown on TV.

Anshuman Rathore blames his wife for adultery and then she leaves him. Although he soon realises that he was tricked into believing that his wife was cheating on him so he goes and apologizes but his wife refuses to return, because she says you will always doubt woman, just because you love me you may not do it with me again, but that thing about your personality will never change, so i cant go back wtith you. You need to change that belief about you, and then leaves and returns only when he has redeemed himself of that.

THIS. This is what Shivaay needs .. he doesnt need to let go off lineage for Anika, he needs to accept Anika because he has let go off his belief about lineage.
Edited by Fantasia. - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Fantasia.

Very well written.

The three oberio brothers have one extremist quality and thier partner is a total negation to it.

In Shivaay's case, the extremist quality is about lineage and bloodline. He is obsessed about family name and the love of his life doesn't have that. She has every other thing but she lacks blood!

Now the question is this is not a story which will love at unrequited love, it will not end with the hero loosing his biggest happiness because of one stubborn belief, he WILL fall in love .. but how?

I believe that for shivaay to fall in love with Anika he needs to go through redemption away from Anika. He doesn't need to do an ehsaan on Anika that he will overlook khoon khaandaan just for her, thats a huge dent on Anika's self respect, he needs to realise that his belief is wrong. He needs to understand that lineage does not matter, and he needs to do that not for Anika but for his own.

I dont know if anyone here has seen Tumhari Paakhi, but the protagonist of that show underwent the most beautiful redemption ever shown on TV.

Anshuman Rathore blames his wife for adultery and then she leaves him. Although he soon realises that he was tricked into believing that his wife was cheating on him so he goes and apologizes but his wife refuses to return, because she says you will always doubt woman, just because you love me you may not do it with me again, but that thing about your personality will never change, so i cant go back wtith you. You need to change that belief about you, and then leaves and returns only when he has redeemed himself of that.

THIS. This is what Shivaay needs .. he doesnt need to let go off lineage for Anika, he needs to accept Anika because he has let go off his belief about lineage.


Thank you for an amazing comment! I was actually a huge fan of Tumhari Pakhi, and I remember that portion of the show, when she basically walked out, and she had her family supporting her as she did it, which was truly amazing. And he went on a journey, to get HIMSELF back, which included understanding and accepting his own mother and his son before she would see him as redeemed and worthy of her. That was one heroine I don't think we'll ever see on screen again. What a strong, traditional, yet feminist character Pakhi was!


But if I may, think about this--- with Anshuman, he was not just an ass, he had to change wholly as a man, a father and a husband. Shivaay does not have anything close to that in terms of work to do.. and I would argue, he doesn't need to give up all that much, either. Full-on change means you are also saying his beliefs are wrong. With Anshuman, it was wrong to be a woman hater, to be a philanderer who expected his wife to be some white washed angel.

But-- What is Shivaay's problem, other than the extreme nature of his views? Don't those beliefs exist, to some degree all of us? And don't modified versions of that belief govern our eastern AND western society?

With Shivaay, I think the issue is absolutely what you say, that he must let go of his belief about lineage being the only thing that matters, or defines a person. But I don't agree he has to let go of his belief on the overall importance of lineage, given reality, given his social standing and the Oberoi business needs. His problem is one extreme--that lineage, and what people think is the ONLY thing by which to judge people. Of course this is stupid, and must change.
I absolutely agree that even "accepting" Anika's lack of lineage is a form of condescension, a hit on her self respect.

But Anika, as she is right now, is also an extreme example of the opposite belief- that society, and what people think, that family-ties of blood and community expectations are absolutely unimportant. The scene where she basically hands her "izzat" over to Shivaay almost on a whim pissed me off. It was done out of love, okay. But it was also because for her, it was literally nonsense-- and she does not live in a world where a girl's "image" can just be tossed aside.

Because the direct consequence of her loss of her "good" image (what a word🤢) means it affects how people treat her --and she is not living in a cave in the woods. Your lineage, or reputation, and how people view you, matter--when she tossed that away, it made her vulnerable, and lead to a threat of rape and violence. She IS living in a community where the perception of being part of a "sharif" family has moral implications. When she impulsively decided that didn't matter, her society decided she didn't matter, either. Obviously I am not supporting what happened to her. But it is naive to stand up in a crowded theater, yell fire and then be confused when there is a stampede. You cannot create a dangerous situation and be astonished or mad when you are a victim of that.

Your name is your identity, but also a guarantee that you wont cross certain lines, because if you do, it affects those you love, who carry your name as well. When she flouted that community's rules, and came home with a scarlet W on her head, she affected Sahil, her family's-- safety immediately. Its great to stand up for yourself--but not smart to deliberately create dangerous situations where you have to stand up in the first place. Because as she found out, no matter how tez Chameli or Chandni is -- she does need society's acceptance, and suffers without it.

So for me, she is not the gold standard here. While Shivaay needs to make the adjustment and accept society and others do not and cannot decide everything, Anika needs to temper that lone wolf vs society thing she has going on as well.


Edited by napstermonster - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: napstermonster


Thank you for an amazing comment! I was actually a huge fan of Tumhari Pakhi, and I remember that portion of the show, when she basically walked out, and she had her family supporting her as she did it, which was truly amazing. And he went on a journey, to get HIMSELF back, which included understanding and accepting his own mother and his son before she would see him as redeemed and worthy of her. That was one heroine I don't think we'll ever see on screen again. What a strong, traditional, yet feminist character Pakhi was!


But if I may, think about this--- with Anshuman, he was not just an ass, he had to change wholly as a man, a father and a husband. Shivaay does not have anything close to that in terms of work to do.. and I would argue, he doesn't need to give up all that much, either. Full-on change means you are also saying his beliefs are wrong. With Anshuman, it was wrong to be a woman hater, to be a philanderer who expected his wife to be some white washed angel.

But-- What is Shivaay's problem, other than the extreme nature of his views? Don't those beliefs exist, to some degree all of us? And don't modified versions of that belief govern our eastern AND western society?

With Shivaay, I think the issue is absolutely what you say, that he must let go of his belief about lineage being the only thing that matters, or defines a person. But I don't agree he has to let go of his belief on the overall importance of lineage, given reality, given his social standing and the Oberoi business needs. His problem is one extreme--that lineage, and what people think is the ONLY thing by which to judge people. Of course this is stupid, and must change.
I absolutely agree that even "accepting" Anika's lack of lineage is a form of condescension, a hit on her self respect.

But Anika, as she is right now, is also an extreme example of the opposite belief- that society, and what people think, that family-ties of blood and community expectations are absolutely unimportant. The scene where she basically hands her "izzat" over to Shivaay almost on a whim pissed me off. It was done out of love, okay. But it was also because for her, it was literally nonsense-- and she does not live in a world where a girl's "image" can just be tossed aside.

Because the direct consequence of her loss of her "good" image (what a word🤢) means it affects how people treat her --and she is not living in a cave in the woods. Your lineage, or reputation, and how people view you, matter--when she tossed that away, it made her vulnerable, and lead to a threat of rape and violence. She IS living in a community where lineage or at least, the perception of being from a "good" family has moral as well as social implications. When she impulsively decided that didn't matter, her society decided she didn't matter, either. Obviously I am not supporting that idea, or those actions. But its stupid to stand up in a crowded theater, yell fire and then be confused when there is a stampede--its human nature.

Your name is your identity, but also kind of a guarantee that you wont cross certain lines, because when you do, it will affect those you love who bear that name as well. When she flouted that community's rules, and came home with a scarlet W on her head, she affected Sahil, her family, and her own safety, immediately. Its great to stand up for yourself--but not smart to deliberately create dangerous situations where you have to so stand up.

So for me, she is not the gold standard here. While Shivaay clearly is the one who needs to make the bigger adjustment and accept society and others do not and cannot decide everything you do, Anika needs to temper that lone wolf vs society thing she has going on as well.



Oh you are a Tumhari Paakhi fan? .. ahh!! .. I LOVE LOVE LOVE that show! What beautiful strong characters and probably the only show where characters werent butchered. However, let me stop bfr i indulge into my non stop droling over the show! 😆

I totally agree to you, Anhsuman had to change ALOT as compared to Shivvay, it was not just a belief that woman cheat, but he had to let go off his basic nature of hypocrisy and manipulation too. shivaay on the other hand just needs to cut out one belief from his system, rest he is a fine person.

and i loved what you said about Anika. She thinks the society and lineage does not matter which is a complete opposite extreme, and for the izzat scene, Anika didnt bother about the society and ironically Shivaay thanks her only because he placed her act in the context of the society and realised how big a deal it was. So this toning down needs to be done from both sides - very well pointed out.

Also, i feel extreme self reliance is also what can make them inhibited to enter a relationship. A relationship has to be co dependent. It cannot be formed between two extremely self reliant people, and once shivaay lets go off the khoon khaandan stuff, they both need to work on this minor part of thier personality too, because Shivaay and Anika are two totally self reliant people.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Fantasia.


Oh you are a Tumhari Paakhi fan? .. ahh!! .. I LOVE LOVE LOVE that show! What beautiful strong characters and probably the only show where characters werent butchered. However, let me stop bfr i indulge into my non stop droling over the show! 😆

I totally agree to you, Anhsuman had to change ALOT as compared to Shivvay, it was not just a belief that woman cheat, but he had to let go off his basic nature of hypocrisy and manipulation too. shivaay on the other hand just needs to cut out one belief from his system, rest he is a fine person.

and i loved what you said about Anika. She thinks the society and lineage does not matter which is a complete opposite extreme, and for the izzat scene, Anika didnt bother about the society and ironically Shivaay thanks her only because he placed her act in the context of the society and realised how big a deal it was. So this toning down needs to be done from both sides - very well pointed out.

Also, i feel extreme self reliance is also what can make them inhibited to enter a relationship. A relationship has to be co dependent. It cannot be formed between two extremely self reliant people, and once shivaay lets go off the khoon khaandan stuff, they both need to work on this minor part of thier personality too, because Shivaay and Anika are two totally self reliant people.



Absolutely correct ... I liked everything about Annika except that part ... staking her reputation

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