Why He'll Lose Her--And Gul Will Struggle Bringing Her Back

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Navin

@napstermonster

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Posted: 8 years ago

#31

Originally posted by: teehee
I agree ! Reposting my comment from the Hotstar spoilers thread.
I really liked today's episode and I am also Ok with not hating on Shivaay for a while. If you notice the karwa chauth sound bytes Surbhi keeps saying they are attracted to each other and like some of each other's qualities but it is not LOVE. So I think its natural that Shivaay is denying it. ALSO unlike IPKKND, where ASR enjoyed torturing Khushi especially by modelling the jewelry whereas Shivaay though found Anika beautiful acutely felt her discomfort. He is fighting his own attraction and exercise control but doesn't want to be explicitly mean to her. I like that.

Exactly! This guy is a class act, even if what he did was not pleasant, it was honest. And there is nothing classier than a guy who tells you, to your face, his exact thoughts, and the truth is easier to face than to live in some la-la land, (get it? get it? Lavanya?😆) only to be seriously hurt later. If Anika still falls for him, she's been warned, she does not fit what he needs, and she will go into it with her eyes open. But he cant be blamed for her feelings -- he grabs her hand to tell her --- Look, something happened last night, there is something between us, I like you, but I'm putting a stop to it. Here is the truth, given our backgrounds, I cannot be with you, please understand.--- It hurt us as the audience on Anika's behalf, because we love the girl, but its not cruel to be open and up front about your intentions--its cruel to lead people on, and hurt them.

And that is what he is NOT doing.

He is not jaado hai nash hai-ing Anika to the poolside for a stolen kiss after which he will get engaged to Tia, chase after her, call her names that breaks her fragile heart, until she is as confused and traumatized as we, the audience are. He cant do it for two reasons. This girl, Anika, is a lioness, and he is a better man than ASR. He has been respectful both of her feelings, comfort and her right to be told the truth. Its not his fault he cannot act on his feelings, its who he is, what he believes and he has full rights to choose an easier life partner--Tia. Of course we know how much that will NOT work out--but its still an issue-how will he go from Tia to Anika, without any change in his beliefs?

I'm glad you posted!

Edited by napstermonster - 8 years ago

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preity_d

@preity_d

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Posted: 8 years ago

#32

Yes, a logical, must needed post. Yes, we may have problems with SSO and we are not doing anything wrong by doing so. But if we compare him with any of Gul's previous heroes, he is different. He is more human, more subtle and nicer human being. They both are attracted to each other but he doesn't go over board with his feelings. He respects girl's personal space, be it Tia or Anika, unlike other Darcy heroes of Indian telly. Anika also somehow still manages to be strong and controlled in front of him. But I hope they remains same for long, can't trust on Gul and Indian telly.

The story is sensible with lots of potential. But CVs of Indian telly has never completed a series in same pace, with same plot ever. So I'm afraid.

As the are actually RIGHT in each others place, It's not easy to let anyone not s classy s you enter in your lifestyle. Love is not the only thing in life, When people lives together they have to have problems because they re TWO different individuals and here the re from two complete different world too. Anika won't be the next pinky she is more than her, though under educated. It will be nice if they show them coming to place in between both trying to do something new, trying to dpt in each others world. Both have to adjust to have each other but I m afraid will Gul show us that thoroughly? and most importantly first Shivay have to accept her despite his khoon, khandan jaap and that's the most difficult part what CVs have to do. They have to show transition of Shivay's thought process convincing enough other wise no use.

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redkelly

@redkelly

Beginner

Posted: 8 years ago

#33

Originally posted by: fallingpieces

Ahhh and this is what makes me sad. Because unless it goes down the filmy "HAHA I AM RICH NOW AND SO WE ARE EQUALS" and if Shivaay sticks to his Khoon AND Khandaan entry requirements, at the minute the only path I can see in which Shivaay marries Anika is if he does it to save her somehow, which would serve only to extend the already gigantic chasm he believes exists between them. That imbalance of power would be unacceptable for a woman like Anika who has lived her entire life ignoring what everyone else thinks and getting by on her own merit, by working hard and proving wrong anyone who tries to shame her or bring her down. It would make them both miserable.

In the real world, this is probably where the story of Anika and Shivaay would end. And that makes me so sad to think about I want to just sit on the floor and cry a little.

The power imbalance you brought up is so important. If we really think about it, there will always be a kind of premeditated power imbalance between a man and a woman because unfortunately that's the kind of world we live in.

I feel we may be thinking too much about what Shivaay and Anika could do to bridge the gap between them. Maybe all they need (and every other potential couple who are mismatched in terms of class/religion/ideology) is to ACCEPT and RESPECT the other person for who they are, with all their 'flaws'. Kind of like, yes we are insanely different, and I may not agree with you, but I respect you and your opinions.

Actually, that sounded pretty revolutionary when I wrote it down!

I guess this is how we learn to treasure slightly simple minded people like Rudra- it's funny and fascinating how the whole class lineage war just flies over his head. I'm a little more cautious about Om, because although he is THE dream man, he is wholly idealistic and his beliefs about equality haven't been put to test.

ANYWAY with Shivaay and Anika, it's clear they're not at the love stage yet; Shivaay likes her immensely but he isn't ready to throw everything on the line for her. When he's in love (which will obviously require drastic changes in his life) with her, I can't wait to see him turn into a completely reckless madman.

...I think I've gone off on a tangent!

But seriously, what is so great about being rich anyway? Why are people so shallow?! What happened to appreciating someone's character and being satisfied with that? The chasm you mentioned that is between them is a myth...I cannot wait for Shivaay to realise this because it's so obvious!

Girl, the real world is horrid and judgemental and selfish. So I'm hoping the drama world will give me a break (Don't let me down ISHQBAAZ!)

Edited by redkelly - 8 years ago

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Pritha Roy

@pritzz

Dazzler

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Posted: 8 years ago

#34

What gul said was Shivaay is all flawed.. He lives in his own kingdom and has not known what world outside is... His journey from the The oberoi to an Ishqbaaz is where he learns and rectifies his flaws .. so Anika being a blue blood is scraped out here... He will accept her the way she is because Anika has lived and has been surviving strong in the real world of common people and Shivaay has always seen the world through glass doors ...

Now what makes him change his principles and what makes him choose HIS life over FAMILY NAME is what we got to see... This story is not actually about Shivika or RuMya or Om-whoever , it is about Shivaay Singh Oberoi , about Rudra Singh Oberoi and about Omkara Singh Oberoi.. It is their journey alone .. where not their partners but how do these Obros turn the world upside down to reach their partners...

So any change in Anika is impossible

Buy Shivaay being Realistic ... Naah I don't agree.. The world he has come from yes They have been brought up with silver and Golden spoons and always been taught about class , background, religion, fame, etc etc... in which they miss out life... what does he know other than Business and Deals and The grey side of people?? Anika will teach him that... she will make him realise that sometimes splitting grey to black and white will make his life simple and easier to breathe in.. sometimes Not mind but heart will help him win the deal, sometimes not money but love will make him happy and bring peace...

About Anika being a misfit for Oberoi's is something we can never answer... because sometimes about 1 in 100 .. love is all you need.. because love is just not romance, love is just not care, love is just not partnership, love is just not sacrificing. LOVE IS NOT FANCY... It's the ONE AND ONLY TRUTH of every single relationship in this universe..! The day shivaay turns an ishqbaaz No society will come his way to say .. Man your wife is No class .. because When he stands for her ... she will reflect him just as when she stands for him... he does..!

For Love just requires two people and Anika when falls in love can understand better because she is reality and Shivaay will take time because he will travel to reality.. !

Neither will change and I don't wish them to change let shivaay be blue blood and Anika be there bad blood... when they unite .. it's still gonna stay red and lately the world is gonna know that too...

What gul is trying to show is LOVE IS SUPERIOR

The show is titled ISHQBAAZ I.e. LOVERS - not because JUST LIKE THAT ... ! 😉

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ArhiIPKKND

@ArhiIPKKND

Inactive

Posted: 8 years ago

#35

Well done my dear...u put in words what i truly fear as well...beautiful story...well thought out this time...not much revealed but yes...is it too well done?... oh dear i hope not ...i am waiting to c this resolved satisfactorily n realistically...

One thought though...why IS shivaay so stuck on this??? His grandad was not khandaani(om mentioned this) his mom is more like annika (but his parents r not happy)...his ideal would b tej n janvi BUT they r a bigger disaster than his parents...while his dadi is d only one who seems to hv been happy...i wonder if d answeris somewhere in there...❓

Ur thoughts on this...if u hv d time...

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jarir2010

@jarir2010

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Posted: 8 years ago

#36

Originally posted by: ArhiIPKKND
Well done my dear...u put in words what i truly fear as well...beautiful story...well thought out this time...not much revealed but yes...is it too well done?... oh dear i hope not ...i am waiting to c this resolved satisfactorily n realistically...
One thought though...why IS shivaay so stuck on this??? His grandad was not khandaani(om mentioned this) his mom is more like annika (but his parents r not happy)...his ideal would b tej n janvi BUT they r a bigger disaster than his parents...while his dadi is d only one who seems to hv been happy...i wonder if d answeris somewhere in there...❓
Ur thoughts on this...if u hv d time...

I think like om,shivaay also have a past,which made him this much obsessed with khun,khandan and money.
Our character shaped from our upbringing and surrounding society whete we live.shivaay' s paremts r pretty simple,his mother is like annika.his bade ma is a sober lady with open mind,his dadi is sweet and down to earth.except tej no one in his family is this much snobbish.and of course the oberoi khandan was made by a middle class down to earth,honest man,his dadaji.and his dada-dadi was very happy as a couple.
So this particular character trait he got from from?except tht he may experience something in his life which made him,what is he today.

Edited by jarir2010 - 8 years ago

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Pritha Roy

@pritzz

Dazzler

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Posted: 8 years ago

#37

Don't get me start about arnav and khushi...🤢

For how much I loved Barun Sobti I hated Khushi... Sanaya is a brilliant actor but Khushi 🤢 (p.s although I loved the show coz , 1. It was love story and 2. Barun is hot).

Khushi was the most annoying character to be very frank... Sanaya's acting was Good but the character was 🤢 what was she? She was child (forever) immature is not even the least I could say.. No strength of Character ... To be very very frank.. Arnav was all fallen for her beauty ... nothing else ... later for her innocence that's much later after their marriage... Khushi always required Arnav... with out arnav and his money.. Khushi was NOTHING... she couldn't fight a single war alone.. Arnav had to be their, she was never a match for arnav even after marriage.. who serves chaas and jalebi in a High class party??? No even in dreams never who dances desi girl in a high class reputed mans party out of nowhere... but

Anika ...

She is as poor as khushi or more poor than her and is even an orphan but did you notice she has class... nobody can look at her and her taste of choice and say she is unclassy.. she is wedding planner of OBEROI's and mind it every design she chooses at the cheapest price is loved by all...by all I mean even the high class people.. gul has done absolute justice to her character to be paired opposite Shivaay.. she knows what rich people want , she just limits the costing.. she brings the same cloth material in 250 rs which the rich oberois may buy from a high class shop in 90K rupees... Remember jahnvi said.. the cloth she brought is of a better quality than the mehenga wala ... THAT IS IT... she is smart ,she is intelligent, she is not gavti , she is modern just that she is not a blue blood and not educated .. but in no way less then the blue bloods .. she is infact powerful than them...

And khushi was just a glam doll to arnav.. she was only and only his wife nothing else.. anika is not and can never be only... she has Learnt and studied WORLD and she exactly knows what to answer and how...

Hope this anwers your post.. to some extent...

Edited by pritzz - 8 years ago

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Bhavika

@bhavi09

Navigator

Posted: 8 years ago

#38

everything apart this khoon khaandan parivaar is sucking the hell out of me 😆 konse zamane me rehte hai jo accept nai kr skte :/ i m not pointing at SSO he is like that its his nature but gul is taking it tooo wayward i don't know how she is gonna amend this

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butterfly_16

@butterfly_16

Explorer

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Posted: 8 years ago

#39

It takes some crazy good writing to get me hooked to an Indian serial, but Ishqbaaz has managed it😆 and I'm hoping it stays like that!

A lot of people have already posted excellent replies. Not much to add especially to what A.C. said. That was 👏.

I'm not really an analyzer - my forte is more fiction, but there is one thing I'll say from experience. There's one thing Daadi said to Shivaay in the first episode when Shivaay was all my entire life is in my control that when it comes to love rings absolutely true. "Love ka toh poora process hi out of control karne ka hota hai." Doesn't matter who you are - sadakchaap or bluest of the blue bloods - when love happens and you've accepted it (ie. Not in denial like Shivaay😆) and you understand just how important that person is to you and that you can not under any circumstances afford to lose them - you will do anything for them. Sounds corny, eh? 😆 Corny things can be true, believe it or not. True love has a way of turning your entire world around - your theories, your ideologies...it's a process definitely. Beautiful things take time. There will come a time when Shivaay Singh Oberoi will happily risk falling stocks for Anika, but they still have a long way to go. It'll be a beautiful journey if they manage to show it right and I'm hoping against hope they do😆 I guess what I'm saying is don't underestimate love. Anyone a HP fan here?😆 A quote from HBP: "When you have seen as much of life as I have, you will not underestimate the power of obsessive love."

With love,

Zai😳

P.S. Some things in life can't be taught or explained. Some moments must simply be lived.

Edited by butterfly_16 - 8 years ago

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yellomellow

@yellomellow

Voyager

Posted: 8 years ago

#40

Awesome post and yes many of us wondering about this too.

I have no idea how the writers will handle this. I don't have any expectations, but I'm curious to see how they do it. My bet is that it will be just love. He may like her, be attracted, subconsciously trust and respect her, but he doesn't love her. He has no concrete feelings for her, prompting him to see his flaws let alone making him want to change. I don't think he is wrong for wanting to marry Tia or any other rich heiress because Anika was never a choice. We love her, but let's be honest she never had a chance. The same could be said for him.

I agree with you. He has been very clear about where he stands. He has never lead her on (she isn't under the impression there is something there either). He likes her, but it can't be her. She is staring to feel something, but it's weird and it confuses her. The dress scene was telling he sensed her discomfort and tried to resolve it. Take away his prejudices (and his horrible temper) and he really is a nice guy , which makes it hard to hate him😆

I don't think he needs to lose everything or walk a mile in her shoes to truly love or recognize her value. Just having her in his life would be enough to make him see what a treasure she is. All I think he needs is just to really fall in love with her. When he falls in love is where things will get interesting. Why?

"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength, while loving someone deeply gives you courage." Lao Tzu

Love does change people sometimes for the better or sometimes for the worse---but it does change people. Falling in love is what will make him change not only for himself but for her too. He will want to become better, kinder, and become worthy of her(his comment about her being too nice and how he isn't said it all). Now, its a mixture of affection, infatuation, and regard but he needs to really fall in love. The type of love where all their differences don't matter. He needs to be where Anika is, in terms of not caring what others think or say about her. Labels don't affect or scare her. There are just that... labels.

He could easily abandon all his bias, but the key is needs time to fall in love, accept his feelings, and change for the better. I will play Soumya here for a minute but research has shown that love does fundamentally change people inside and out. Our brains work differently when we are in love. We actually become smarter because it triggers the brain's dopamine center. It changes peoples' personalities, views, interests, dislikes, etc. People in love are happier, more supportive, take more risks, become overprotective of their partners and more importantly become less judgmental (which is one of his major flaws). So it wouldn't be unrealistic for him change, accept, and love her for the exactly the way she is.

It will be fun watching them experience a love that shakes their core and defies all logic especially neither of them believe in love or looking for it. I feel like when he falls in love it's game over. Nothing and no one will stop this man (...well maybe Anika 😆)

Edited by yellomellow - 8 years ago

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