Why He'll Lose Her--And Gul Will Struggle Bringing Her Back

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Today's episode has brought us to the real meat of Shivaay and Anika's track, the one that this specific couple's USP always promised. For once, I am hopeful that though SSO is a Gul Khan hero, there is a chance...maybe a SLIGHT chance--that in this one, the hero will have a redemption track equal to his "crimes"-- but honestly, Gul will have to be a genius to get him, and Anika out of this one.

So what makes me worried? Ladies, its the exact wrong thing to be worried about--the hero and the heroine are both right. Shivaay Singh Oberoi's crime is that he is an arrogant ass, with a bee in his bonnet about
khoon khandaan parivaar, but other than that, he is a pretty nice guy. And his issue is a totally sensible view for a man who's business, class and society will not accept Anika. And Anika is not someone who will change. I think we should not underestimate how little she cares for people's views about her, when it took her less than a second to destroy her "izzat" for a friend/ex boss--she literally could not give a damn. And no matter how much they are equal internally, on the outside, Shivaay needs a Janvi, not a Pinky, in his life. Again, he is right, his own mother has revealed what being a Pinky in the Oberoi family has done to her. Why should he marry Anika and make her (and himself) miserable?

If you look at Gul's past heros, you will agree with me that Shivaay's actions are not just acceptable, they are nothing compared to her other heros, who were horrible people. ASR from IPPKND was such a cruel man, he married Khushi literally so he could torture her. Barun is the only actor I know off who could humanize the character he played. Even the biggest fan of that show STILL cannot tell you-- what the hell Khushi did that finally made ASR fall in love with her. There was no real growth between them as a couple, and as for being equals in marriage or life? ASR and Khushi? Please...

I don't want to write an essay here, but the other Gul heros? Lets take a quick look. One married the pregnant wife of his brother, and because of his temper, put her life in danger constantly. Sahir from Hunsafars hates his heroine and deliberately sets out to make her fall in love with him because she talks back a lot,
while he is married. And the less said about the disdain, misogyny and shaming Zoya faced from Asad, the better. My point is, on any medium other than a Hindi soap, these men would be anti-heros, maybe out and out irredeemable. And so, redemption let the women come back and "fix" them.

In contrast, what has Shivaay done?

He has NOT led Anika on, first thing. He did not seek her out, or harass her. Its not his fault they are attracted to each other, he's fought that attraction like its his full time job. He has been upfront about the Tia shaped problem in his life. He has fallen hard, but not once has he invaded her space or her person to do
haq jataana. He was drugged and drunk the two times when he expressed what he felt. First time they both decided to never talk about it, and today, he tried to apologize for the second. He finds her beautiful but he wont make her uncomfortable, nor is he physically intimidating, he doesn't hate women, he has had healthy relationships with people, all his life. For a Gul hero, the man is a saint.

His beliefs, on the other hand--they are not of the "gold digger, low aukaat" crap we know by heart.
He really is regretful that such a great, smart, funny, beautiful, kind girl has such bad blood. He's not wrong, here. He truly feels bad that there is a lakeer--he doesn't gloat, he is stating facts, and not even that often, because its like an embarrassing detail about your friend you don't mention. This for me is why I am worried Gul wont be able to transition them into a love story--why should he change his mind for her? Just because he finds her attractive? He isn't an uncontrollable guy who takes decisions without thinking-- he is the most deliberate hero I have seen. And because he is so "dimaagi" he actually likes her-- his opinion about her is not a bad one, he likes, respects and even trusts her. Her blood, on the other hand--its JUST not good enough and nothing she OR he can do, will change that. Pasand hai, bohut pasand hai, dusro se alag bhi hai, per class nahi hai. And if he somehow marries her, she will be forever trying to make up for her blood--and never being able to fix what is wrong in her.

Its easier when the hero is clearly in the wrong. Its easier when its just a cruel mentality, or misunderstandings that are the issues, these things can be fixed. How do you fix blood? Since starting from Geet, moving to Khushi, staying on course with Zoya/Arzoo and finally now with Anika, Gul has given her heroines bigger and bigger obstacles, and they have overcome those, to get their man. Geet's inconvenient baby disappeared, Khushi went to a makeover show, Zoya turned out to be immortal --but now she has given a problem to Anika that is literally impossible to fix.

He will lose her, she will walk away...but Gul...how will you justify bringing her back?
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PenguinBaby thumbnail
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Posted: 8 years ago
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I hope Gul doesn't try and magically make her a blue blood. She can do that you know.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Thats what i was also thinking. Today when she threw his khoon khandaan words back at him too, his ego was not hurt. I thought he was seeing how much he hurt her with those words. In real life scenario, i can see him settling with a tia like wife in a compromise deal marriage and live thru it.

I thought maybe he himself is not an oberoi and something happens. But gul has denied that also. Then how will Shivaay get out of this khoon khandaan thought process!😕
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: SanyaEterna

I hope Gul doesn't try and magically make her a blue blood. She can do that you know.



Gul denied this also😆
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An easy way would be to show Anika as the daughter of some millionaire or thakur or some moth-eaten aristocrat of bluer blood than the Oberois. But that will dilute the whole conflict between the leads. Their problems get solved as though a fairy godmother or a blue father waved a wand or money plus castle and made the issues disappear.

Lekin ek prob. Even if her long lost baap turns out to be the King of Mysore or the Thakur of Jodhpur, how does it change what Anika is today? She would still be the intelligent but under-educated, hard-working girl of the chawl. She would still use words like tadi and michmichi. She would still be Sahil's sister. She would still be the girl who ran college canteens and can't match him in education and social interactions.

No, I don't want another Pinky in the house. Nor do I want a Shivaay who marries Anika against his brain's warnings. That would be a disaster in the making. I often felt sorry for ASR. At times I seriously wondered why he was with Khushi.

The writing in this serial has been deep, complicated, sensitive, well thought out, well-planned, well-plotted so far. I hope and pray it continues to be so. Seeing a good serial go to waste is a terrible kind of anguish that puts one off all forms of entertainment in the future. It takes away trust in the viewer that a strong hand is controlling the puppets.

The characters here have been detailed well. And the serial has the potential to rise to great heights if written sensitively. I hope the writers love their characters as much as we the viewers do.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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A bang on much needed post girl kudos to u


About anika yes her blood lineage and d fact dat she doesn't know her past are hurdles when it comes to shiv dats y I wanted shivIka to have a relationship based on understanding , mutual respect faith along with love these r achieved in a long run and only love doesn't cure or make all things good ( in real life at least ) add these things and maybe some more their relation will sustain every hurdle


About shivaay ...yesss he isn't d clichd gul hero ...today also even struck by her beauty he didn't make her uncomfortable ( I never liked those greedy hungry gul hero looks dats just creep alert ) ...

These both characters individually are so different dat gives me so much hope and expectations for their love story ...
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For arranged marriages we will look for lineage class n all...its true...For love marriages no one will look for class lineage naa...we lyk a person so irrespective of class lineage we choose him as partner...actually shivaay s a person who looks class lineage even for keeping friendship /enemity...He even judge d character of an individual lineage n class...n gul s showing us d class lineage doesnt matter character matters...
(If a rich girl loves a poor boy /vice versa they r so many family / parents who object d relation due 2 lineage n bloodline...)
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I think you put it really well.
About what you said for both Shivaay and Anika, these are two intelligent, headstrong people, who are secure about their positions in life, and in the world.
I think they will have to come to a mid-ground which will open up their minds about how they want this relationship to work.
Anika is too independent a soul to be tortured in the name of revenge or something, and Shivaay is too kind and cool headed a guy to do that, he's never been portrayed as a monster, like you said, and yet, neither of them believe in love.
This will have be a relationship of equals, when it does become a relationship; it's always been depicted as such, and edging towards it too.

I'm guessing there will have to be a family revelation which will make Shivaay leave his home and his ideals behind and become a 'realist' again, in a different way, one who knows what his life is now, and who he wants to share it with.
Wasn't it what the initial promos kind of hinted at?
I know it isn't much to go on about because the initial tracks are almost always altered.
But that sort of a new beginning would make more sense than the easy way out: to make Anika a pedigreed blue blood.



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Brilliant post <3 This is exactly what i was thinking. How is he ever going to get over his problem with her? It would be so wrong if he changes his ideals regarding Khoon Khaandan all of a sudden. The change has to be very very gradual. And well i don't know how they are going to make even a gradual change look convincing too. And i saw a lot of posts blaming him for leading her on, which i really don't think he did. Well at least not on purpose. Compared to other hero's that Gul has given us..Shivaay Heera hein Heera😆 Not saying he is perfect..but i am sure anybody who has watched her previous shows have to agree that Shivaay is much more level headed and even pleasant that the others are😆

Gul has told has that she is not going to make Anika some long lost rich kid because that would defeat the purpose of the couple. Well whatever purpose they have in mind i hope that they attain it in a believable logical way. I can't say i will stop watching if they don't..i have seen a lot of promising serials become crappy and continued to watch it😆 But well after IPK this is the first show i look forward to soo much every day. So they better not mess it up😈
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: smitar

An easy way would be to show Anika as the daughter of some millionaire or thakur or some moth-eaten aristocrat of bluer blood than the Oberois. But that will dilute the whole conflict between the leads. Their problems get solved as though a fairy godmother or a blue father waved a wand or money plus castle and made the issues disappear.


Lekin ek prob. Even if her long lost baap turns out to be the King of Mysore or the Thakur of Jodhpur, how does it change what Anika is today? She would still be the intelligent but under-educated, hard-working girl of the chawl. She would still use words like tadi and michmichi. She would still be Sahil's sister. She would still be the girl who ran college canteens and can't match him in education and social interactions.

No, I don't want another Pinky in the house. Nor do I want a Shivaay who marries Anika against his brain's warnings. That would be a disaster in the making. I often felt sorry for ASR. At times I seriously wondered why he was with Khushi.

The writing in this serial has been deep, complicated, sensitive, well thought out, well-planned, well-plotted so far. I hope and pray it continues to be so. Seeing a good serial go to waste is a terrible kind of anguish that puts one off all forms of entertainment in the future. It takes away trust in the viewer that a strong hand is controlling the puppets.

The characters here have been detailed well. And the serial has the potential to rise to great heights if written sensitively. I hope the writers love their characters as much as we the viewers do.


Thank you! Soul sister in the house. Thanks for pointing out the nature vs nurture thing as well--because even if you are the bluest of bloods, your parvarish, education and life experiences form you. Pinky, now that she's been given an actually layered and depth filled persona beyond the greedy vamp/mother shows us a glimpse of this. When she speaks of her home and family in Punjab, the red broken car, the half done college before being married, you can see how un-bridgable the gap has been between her and the family she married. She shouldn't have married here, and she knows it. And its not an issue of love. I believe Shakti, Shivaay, her mother in law and even Janvi love her-- but this serial startled the hell out of me with the Mallika track, when it was made clear-- love is not enough, and girls shouldn't settle for JUST love. With Pinky, she knows she has not succeeded in being an Oberoi wife. She has been miserable, her self esteem crushed, her own son lost to her, and she knows this is because of her background. Its something that will inevitably repeat with Anika, but worse--because Shivaay is not mild Shakti, and he has a chip on his shoulder because of Pinky already. If he marries someone who's background is a grey blur, who's name and blood is literally unknown, he will not forgive her, or himself. Somewhere it will rankle, it will come out, and it will HURT, more so if he is somehow forced into marrying her (a Gul Khan special) And Anika will not try to learn English and turn into comic relief and fight with Soumya/Unknown Om Heroine for attention-- the depth of love she is capable of feeling for Shivaay means she will be destroyed.

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