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Posted: 7 years ago
#21

Originally posted by: neverlandspirit



Don't you think it is immature to jump the gun and judge a whole religion based on a single country?
(Well if yes, please judge all Christians based on how Hitler annihilated millions of Jews, or how Hinduism practiced Sati.)

Women being prohibited to drive in Saudi is a Country culture, not Islamic ruling. In neighboring Muslim countries like United Arab Emirates (UAE), Qatar and Bahrain women are allowed to drive.
Also Women were allowed to ride camels way back during the dawn of the Islam, so what is to stop women from driving cars now?

Please do not mistake a Country Law with religion.


The legal system of Saudi Arabia is based on Sharia, Islamic law derived from the Qur'an and the Sunnah (the traditions) of Islam. 😆
Edited by monu_tan - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
#22

Originally posted by: neverlandspirit

Hi there,

I am bac. My sincere apologies for teh delay but I had some real life commitments to tend to.

Anyway back to the subject, I will try to give you short answers to the topics you posted.

-Men are in charge of women?
Well yes.
BUT BUT BUT! Not in the way one might hastily judge. Men are in charge of women just like how parents are in charge of children. That is to say, men are responsible for protecting and providing for the women.
Does this mean that men control us? No.

-Women stay at home?
Yes and No. While women are encouraged (not and never forced) at home to look after the family, there is no hard ruling that prevents women from pursuing a career. Women are not prisoners in Islam. They are free to go out, pursue their hobbies and the likes.
Did you know Islam, even back in those old ages granted women the right to have and start businesses?

-Women worth half?
NO!
Honestly, I don't even know where this came from but NO.

-Sex slavery.
Since this did not imply exactly what the video-maker means, I will keep the topic of sex slavery very basic.
Sex slavery is haram (prohibited) in Islam. Neither women nor men should practice this, no matter how dire their situation.

-Women are your fields?
What? I am sorry but what does this even mean? I can't comment on this because I don't understand what it means?

-Women are deficient in intelligence?
No! No where in the Quran can one find evidence to support the above claim.

-Women are satanic?
NO! (Going on a side note, the person who made this video is really off his socks... His video is a blatant hate rant towards Islam. Also note, the sources used are not credible to the slightest.)
Eve was created out of the loin of Adam. If one considers Adam human, by default anything created from him is Human. Also, the Lord dearly loved Adam. How could one think that He would create something Satanic for His beloved subject?

-Women are weak?
No. Claim out of context.

-Women must always submit to the husband's sexual desire?
Yes. But honestly, why shouldn't she? Just as a husband must always submit to the wife's sexual desire.
What the claim originally means is that a woman or man shouldn't deny their spouse sexual gratification without any justifiable cause. That being said any good spouse should understand a 'No' too.

-Women should be worshiping men?
NO! Women and Men should only be worshiping Allah. Worshiping anything or anyone other than Him, is a sin of the highest degree. This is shirk.

-Women can be held captive and raped.
NO!!!
This is Haram
(Honestly, I feel sorry for you. You have wasted your valuable time on a video made by an IDIOT.)

-Countries led by women are doomed?
What is the semblance to Islam here? Is Great Britain doomed?

-Women shouldn't complain when beaten?
Women shouldn't be beaten in the first place. The Prophet (Peace be Upon him) was once asked by a fellow, what must be do, if he gets angry at his wife and has to raise his hand on her. The Prophet replied that one mustn't hit his wife even with a handkerchief.
Abuse of any sort to anyone is unacceptable in Islam.

I hope this has helped clear any misconceptions :)

Thanks.




Hi!
Came across this post while searching for something else, I would have avoided replying to you but thought that the person who asked this question is doing a thesis and hence wanted to give her correct information.I can refute all your points, but I'm in a hurry, let's just talk about sex slavery as of now.
I can say whatever you have written is very intelligently dishonest. I loved the way you thrashed everything by saying how sex slavery is haraam, Yes, it's haraam but only for Muslim women and men are allowed to keep non Muslim sex slaves.
Quran 4.24-And [also prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hands possess.
And just so some people know, right hand possess means sex slaves.
Ps: I'm an atheist
Edited by YehKyaTha - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
#23

Originally posted by: YehKyaTha


Hi!
Came across this post while searching for something else, I would have avoided replying to you but thought that the person who asked this question is doing a thesis and hence wanted to give her correct information.I can refute all your points, but I'm in a hurry, let's just talk about sex slavery as of now.
I can say whatever you have written is very intelligently dishonest. I loved the way you thrashed everything by saying how sex slavery is haraam, Yes, it's haraam but only for Muslim women and men are allowed to keep non Muslim sex slaves.
Quran 4.24-And [also prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hands possess.
And just so some people know, right hand possess means sex slaves.
Ps: I'm an atheist



Being athiest is nt smth to be proud of!!

Your existence and the maintenance of this universe can't never be an automatic process.When a team cant even run for seconds without a lead and authority,How come a whole universe will be running naturally?

I don't want to be rude to u.Bt don't preach your athiestity
Edited by tasnimrayian - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
#24

Originally posted by: tasnimrayian



Being athiest is nt smth to be proud of!!

Your existence and the maintenance of this universe can't never be an automatic process.When a team cant even run for seconds without a lead and authority,How come a whole universe will be running naturally?

I don't want to be rude to u.Bt don't preach your athiestity


Sorry to interrupt but you are being unreasonable. Above person did not preach about atheism, he/she just mentioned his stand on religion because whenever there is a debate about one religion, opposite person quickly brings other person's religion into it and thinks he is saying things because he believes in other religion.

@bold: why not? If someone can be proud Muslim, proud Hindu, proud Christian or proud Indian/Pakistani/American, why can't someone be proud atheist? REligion, nationality are just ideologies so is atheism. Why are you preaching that one should not proud of atheism?😕
Edited by kankabhor - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
#25

Islam honours women greatly. It honours women as mothers who must be respected, obeyed and treated with kindness. Pleasing one's mother is regarded as part of pleasing Allaah. Islam tells us that Paradise lies at the mother's feet, i.e. that the best way to reach Paradise is through one's mother. And Islam forbids disobeying one's mother or making her angry, even by saying a mild word of disrespect. The mother's rights are greater than those of the father, and the duty to take care of her grows greater as the mother grows older and weaker. All of that is mentioned in many texts of the Qur'aan and Sunnah Prophetic traditions).

For example, Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

"And We have enjoined on man to be dutiful and kind to his parents

[al-Ahqaaf 46:15]

"And your Lord has decreed that you wor'ship none but Him. And that you be dutiful to your parents. If one of them or both of them attain old age in your life, say not to them a word of disrespect, nor shout at them but address them in terms of honour.

And lower unto them the wing of submission and humility through mercy, and say: My Lord! Bestow on them Your Mercy as they did bring me up when I was young'

[al-Isra' 17:23, 24]

Ibn Maajah (2781) narrated that Mu'aawiyah ibn Jaahimiah al-Sulami (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: I came to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and said: O Messenger of Allaah, I want to go for jihad (battle) with you, seeking thereby the Face of Allaah and the Hereafter. He said, "Woe to you! Is your mother still alive? I said, Yes. He said, "Go back and honour her. Then I approached him from the other side and said: O Messenger of Allaah, I want to go for jihad with you, seeking thereby the Face of Allaah and the Hereafter. He said, "Woe to you! Is your mother still alive? I said, Yes. He said, "Go back and honour her. Then I approached him from in front and said, O Messenger of Allaah, I want to go for jihad with you, seeking thereby the Face of Allaah and the Hereafter. He said, "Woe to you! Is your mother still alive? I said, Yes. He said, "Go back and honour her (lit. stay by her feet), for there is Paradise.

Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Sunan Ibn Maajah. It was also narrated by al-Nasaa'i with the words: "Stay with her for Paradise is beneath her feet.

Al-Bukhaari (5971) and Muslim (2548) narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: A man came to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and said: "O Messenger of Allaah, who is most deserving of my good company? He said: "Your mother. He said: "Then who? He said: "Your mother. He said: "Then who? He said: "Your mother. He said: "Then who? He said: "Then your father.

And there are other texts which we do not have room to mention here.

One of the rights which Islam gives to the mother is that her son should spend on her if she needs that support, so long as he is able and can afford it. Hence for many centuries it was unheard of among the people of Islam for a mother to be left in an old-people's home or for a son to kick her out of the house, or for her sons to refuse to spend on her, or for her to need to work in order to eat and drink if her sons were present.

Islam also honours women as wives. Islam urges the husband to treat his wife in a good and kind manner, and says that the wife has rights over the husband like his rights over her, except that he has a degree over her, because of his responsibility of spending and taking care of the family's affairs. Islam states that the best of the Muslim men is the one who treats his wife in the best manner, and the man is forbidden to take his wife's money without her consent. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

"and live with them honourably

[al-Nisa' 4:19]

"And they (women) have rights similar (to those of their husbands) over them to what is reasonable, but men have a degree (of responsibility) over them. And Allaah is All-Mighty, All-Wise

[al-Baqarah 2:228]

And the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "I urge you to treat women well. Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 331; Muslim, 1468.

And the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "The best of you is the one who is best to his wife, and I am the best of you to my wives. Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 3895; Ibn Maajah, 1977; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.

And Islam honours women as daughters, and encourages us to raise them well and educate them. Islam states that raising daughters will bring a great reward. For example, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Whoever takes care of two girls until they reach adulthood, he and I will come like this on the Day of Resurrection, and he held his fingers together. Narrated by Muslim, 2631.

Ibn Maajah (3669) narrated that Uqbah ibn Aamir (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: "Whoever has three daughters and is patient towards them, and feeds them, gives them to drink and clothes them from his riches, they will be a shield for him from the Fire on the Day of Resurrection. Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Ibn Maajah.

Islam honours women as sisters and as aunts. Islam enjoins upholding the ties of kinship and forbids severing those ties in many texts. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "O people! Spread (the greeting of) salaam, offer food (to the needy), uphold the ties of kinship, and pray at night when people are sleeping, and you will enter Paradise in peace. Narrated by Ibn Maajah, 3251; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Ibn Maajah.

Al-Bukhaari (5988) narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Allaah, may He be exalted, said to the ties of kinship: Whoever upholds you, I will support him, and whoever breaks you, I will cut him off.'

All of these qualities may co-exist in a single woman: she may be a wife, a daughter, a mother, a sister, an aunt, so she may be honoured in all these ways.

To conclude: Islam raised the status of women, and made them equal with men in most rulings. So women, like men, are commanded to believe in Allaah and to worship Him. And women are made equal to men in terms of reward in the Hereafter. Women have the right to express themselves, to give sincere advice, to enjoin what is good and forbid what is evil, and to call people to Allaah. Women have the right to own property, to buy and sell, to inherit, to give charity and to give gifts. It is not permissible for anyone to take a woman's wealth without her consent. Women have the right to a decent life, without facing aggression or being wronged. Women have the right to be educated; in fact it is obligatory to teach them what they need to know about their religion.

Anyone who compares the rights of women in Islam with their situation during the Jaahiliyyah (pre-Islamic days of ignorance)or in other civilizations will understand that what we are saying is true. In fact we are certain that women are given the greatest honour in Islam.

There is no need for us to mention the situation of women in Greek, Persian or Jewish society, but even Christian societies had a bad attitude towards women. The theologians even gathered at the Council of Macon to discuss whether a woman was merely a body or a body with a soul. They thought it most likely that women did not have a soul that could be saved, and they made an exception only in the case of Mary (Maryam peace be upon her).

The French held a conference in 586 CE to discuss whether women had souls or not, and if they had souls, were these souls animal or human? In the end, they decided that they were human! But they were created to serve men only.

During the time of Henry VIII, the English Parliament issued a decree forbidding women to read the New Testament because they were regarded as impure.

Until 1805, English law allowed a man to sell his wife, and set a wife's price at six pennies.

In the modern age, women were kicked out of the house at the age of eighteen so that they could start working to earn a bite to eat. If a woman wanted to stay in the house, she had to pay her parents rent for her room and pay for her food and laundry.

See Awdat al-Hijaab, 2/47-56.

How can this compare to Islam which enjoins honouring and kind treatment of women, and spending on them?

Secondly:

With regard to the changes in these rights throughout the ages, the basic principles have not changed, but with regard to the application of these principles, there can be no doubt that during the golden age of Islam, the Muslims applied the sharee'ah (Islamic law) of their Lord more, and the rulings of this sharee'ah include honouring one's mother and treating one's wife, daughter, sister and women in general in a kind manner. The weaker religious commitment grew, the more these rights were neglected, but until the Day of Resurrection there will continue to be a group who adheres to their religion and applies the sharee'ah (laws) of their Lord. These are the people who honour women the most and grant them their rights.

Despite the weakness of religious commitment among many Muslims nowadays, women still enjoy a high status, whether as daughters, wives or sisters, whilst we acknowledge that there are shortcomings, wrongdoing and neglect of women's rights among some people, but each one will be answerable for himself.

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Posted: 7 years ago
#26

I just came to the forum and saw this thread 😆
Vah pehli reply hi ye dia maine😉

There's a discussion with Saudi Arabia! So...

Yeah Saudi's legal system is based on Quran and Sunnah but Quran & Sunnah is not based on the S.A legal system.



Many people try to understand Islam in light of Arab. No that's not right. Yeah Arab is an important place for Muslim. But what happened 1000 years ago shouldn't be judged now! I mean in some cases they're stuck in time..there was a time when staying home was actually a better and safe option but they're clinging to that idea...but I'm sure not everyone!


If anyone wants to know something about Islam try to find quotes and verses from Quran or Sunnah. Don't go to YouTube as sometimes you can't distinguish between the ajeeb ones and real ones!😆


And about the right hand possess thing it was legal at one point in time to keep slaves and sex slaves. But Prophet Muhammad (PBH) had declared this illegal too. There's proof that one point in time it was not a problem or haram for men to keep a slave BUT it's HARAM (forbidden) now or has been for many years!

If anyone has heard of the speech of the last Hajj of Prophet(PBH) then we know that he said slavery was forbidden as it was not supposed to be present there at all!
Edited by eufara_naghm - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
#27

Originally posted by: tasnimrayian




Being athiest is nt smth to be proud of!!

Your existence and the maintenance of this universe can't never be an automatic process.When a team cant even run for seconds without a lead and authority,How come a whole universe will be running naturally?

I don't want to be rude to u.Bt don't preach your athiestity


Such extreme level of intolerance!
Why are you theists so hateful towards atheists. Really it pisses me off. The laws for apostasy are the worst. Yes, I believe that this world is controlled by none, but you believe in eternal heaven for believers and hell for non believers. Now probably you'll threaten me with hell. But if someone called God really exists, I can for sure say that he's not going to burn me in hell forever because of my atheism. Also I'm not preaching atheism here. Infact some members preach about Islam in this forum, so probably even that shouldn't be allowed. What say? Let's be fair.
I hold the same view for all religions, but I believe we can achieve spirituality without religion.
And I'm proud of being an atheist because I'm a lot better than you theists( applies to all religions)
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Posted: 7 years ago
#28

Originally posted by: kankabhor


Sorry to interrupt but you are being unreasonable. Above person did not preach about atheism, he/she just mentioned his stand on religion because whenever there is a debate about one religion, opposite person quickly brings other person's religion into it and thinks he is saying things because he believes in other religion.

@bold: why not? If someone can be proud Muslim, proud Hindu, proud Christian or proud Indian/Pakistani/American, why can't someone be proud atheist? REligion, nationality are just ideologies so is atheism. Why are you preaching that one should not proud of atheism?😕


Very well said!
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Hello everyone!
I can see that people are fighting over my post. My intention of making this post was never to spark a debate of theism vs atheism/ Islam vs other religions. I truly apologise in case this post has created unnecessary debates. I've almost completed my thesis, and I respect everyone's faith. My request to people is not to fight over this issue. Faith is a very personal thing and that's the reason I'm deleting this post as I don't want any fights over here.
Edited by AProudWoman - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Since topic maker herself deleted the post and apologised , so lets not further discuss on this issue ..

Closing this topic
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