Why pakhi positivity is not accepted? - Page 6

What makers u think aishwariya/papi will be a female lead with tiktok acting skills

Originally posted by: Kumuda-123

@bold how it is platonic when he is giving her mesmerized looks, feeding her, allowing her to button his shirt as a typical wife does. Only bedding her means giving her wife rights? Claiming her as their wife in society, doing anniversary celebrations with her, letting her come to his personal space, initiating advances towards her, and now ready to share the same bed with her. Won't these come under wife rights?

They have not consummated in these 8 years. Eight years is more than enough to make your place in a person's heart. Sai was not there at that time.

When Virat gifted the necklace to Pakhi in front of Sai, Pakhi doubted that Virat was doing that to make Sai jealous.

She also asked a direct question to Virat. But he denied it.

Pakhi knows from the bottom of her heart that Virat does not love her.

His words do not match his actions.

When Pakhi asked Virat in an intoxicated state if it was to choose between her and Pakhi whom he would choose, Virat avoided that question.

When he saw Jagtap saving Sai from falling, he started fuming with jealousy.

Even Jagtap told Virat he had the sickness of doubting her purity, and Virat got speechless.

Whenever he saw Sai with Jagtap, he still questions Sai.

Even if he had seen Sai with a man other than Jagtap, he would have reacted the same way.

Yes, Jagtap killed Sai's dad and Samrat, but he reformed by surrendering himself to the law and changed drastically.

In my perspective, there is no redemption for murder. But he loves Savi as his child.

Yes, Virat got mesmerized by Pakhi, but he saved Sai first and Pakhi knew that Virat would prioritize Sai.

Whatever he says to Pakhi, his words do not match.

Virat does not know what he wants.

Originally posted by: ShipIsSailing

Most of the audience is for Sai now. Because she is clearly the main lead. but the moment, they officially make Pakhi the main lead, people will begin to watch the show. Yes, there might be a trp drop because the story might get boring for many, but if they bring an interesting plot, people will start watching it again.

Basically, my point is that if the audience sees the means of their entertainment they won't stop just because there isn't any particular character present. Of course, if the story truly gets boring, the trp will drop.

It has happened quite a lot of times on ITV.

That show USP was shivika & brothers bond. When audience didn't get it, they rejected the show which made the show shut in 3 months.

But in ghum usp is drama. People watch it as long as they are served with drama.

Pre leap too there isn't much sairat. They hardly has ss together. Most of their scenes are in hall or with pakhi presence. Once or twice in a week they get alone scenes unlike virakhi who is getting long uninterrupted scenes in every episode. So trp audience are used to not watch sairat together which is why leap is working. Because most of the ghum episodes filled with drama, not much romance,zero comedy angle, limited happy scenes.

Originally posted by: kavitha_r

They have not consummated in these 8 years. Eight years is more than enough to make your place in a person's heart. Sai was not there at that time.

When Virat gifted the necklace to Pakhi in front of Sai, Pakhi doubted that Virat was doing that to make Sai jealous.

She also asked a direct question to Virat. But he denied it.

Pakhi knows from the bottom of her heart that Virat does not love her.

His words do not match his actions.

When Pakhi asked Virat in an intoxicated state if it was to choose between her and Pakhi whom he would choose, Virat avoided that question.

When he saw Jagtap saving Sai from falling, he started fuming with jealousy.

Even Jagtap told Virat he had the sickness of doubting her purity, and Virat got speechless.

Whenever he saw Sai with Jagtap, he still questions Sai.

Even if he had seen Sai with a man other than Jagtap, he would have reacted the same way.

Yes, Jagtap killed Sai's dad and Samrat, but he reformed by surrendering himself to the law and changed drastically.

In my perspective, there is no redemption for murder. But he loves Savi as his child.

Yes, Virat got mesmerized by Pakhi, but he saved Sai first and Pakhi knew that Virat would prioritize Sai.

Whatever he says to Pakhi, his words do not match.

Virat does not know what he wants.

@bold so virat getting mesmerized with pakhi is ok because he saved sai first? Him saving sai undo the fact that he got mesmerized with pakhi beauty?

Virat pakhi relationship has everything what a husband & wife relationship should have except physical relationship.

There is haq, respect, care, sensitiveness from virat towards pakhi.

It's definitely not platonic when he is giving mesmerizing looks to her, feeding her, now ready to share bed with her.

If virat behaves normally when pakhi is with other man infront of him then I will agree that what he showed towards sai jagtap angle is jealousy.

For me vanraj not liking anupama anuj together is same as virat not liking sai with other man. It's not love jealousy. It's posession.

That man didn't mind sending sai to jail permanently. So he has anything but love towards her.

My opinion is that no matter whether Patralekha is worse or Virat is worse, both of them have acted irredeemably horribly and that is the real problem. Despite all their actions, even their criminal actions, the show is portraying them both as mahaan. I can't even look at their faces when I watch the new episodes because all I see are two characters that should be imprisoned. I'm also slowly losing respect for Sai because she's not pursuing legal action against both of them and their whole toxic family. She should, and take both the kids and run where the Chavans will never find them again.

But there will never be any consequences for either of them because the ITV audience has a short memory. The problem with this show and other shows like this is that they run too long with no clear end planned. Ghum has been running for over 700 episodes. The TV audience doesn't follow this daily, they just watch it once in a while. On the forums we care about holding these characters accountable for their actions because we see them as continuous characters from the start of the show to the end. But perhaps it would be better and less frustrating to see the show more like Tom and Jerry. An episodic daily show where the actions of one episode have no impact on the next. They should, but they don't.

Originally posted by: Dewdrops1995

What makers u think aishwariya/papi will be a female lead with tiktok acting skills

I don't think makers will make Pakhi the lead. It is way too much of a risk to take. I am just pointing out that it is a myth that Ayesha is the only reason most of the people are watching the show. That is not to say she isn't one of the reasons but still, definitely not the only one

Originally posted by: Nja91

I disagree.

If P becomes the main lead, people will stop watching in due course.

Its not unusual to see shows shut shop pretty quickly and suddenly. Since ghum has been running atleast 1-2 shows have been prematurely shut down.

V and P lack chemistry on screen. P lacks the acting prowess or goodwill to hold fort as a lead and for audience to watch it.

A plot is important but unlike in movies/web shows in itv - a good actor, a popular jodi can salvage a BS plot but a good plot never sustains because itv writers arent really capable of a good script. Its only broad stroke ideas but they always fall prey to itv masala and theatrics. So interesting plot on V P cant salvage show if Sai- the person whom the audience connects with is gone.

A bad plot can be ignored for a good couple (the current scenario). Similarly, a bad couple and chemistry can be ignored for an interesting plot.

Personally, I don't believe they will remove Sai, for if they do, they will need some really good drama to keep the show afloat, but I do believe that thinking that Sai is the only reason the people are watching the show and that they will all stop watching if she goes away is also wrong. The tv audience in general don't feel as strongly about Sai's character as we do. And if they will get good entertainment, they won't hesitate watching Pakhi as main lead.

But, yes, if there isn't any good plot nor any good acting, then the trp will drop. This is why I know that Sai won't be going anywhere, coz like you said, makers aren't capable of making any good plot, but if by some miracle they do create a decent storyline, then the lack of Sai's char won't be a reason for people to ignore the show. At least, that's what I have seen happen throughout the years on ITV.

Originally posted by: Kumuda-123

There are shows like ishqbaaaz too which didn't work when they retained only ml not whole cast after generation leap.

That show USP was shivika & brothers bond. When audience didn't get it, they rejected the show which made the show shut in 3 months.

But in ghum usp is drama. People watch it as long as they are served with drama.

Pre leap too there isn't much sairat. They hardly has ss together. Most of their scenes are in hall or with pakhi presence. Once or twice in a week they get alone scenes unlike virakhi who is getting long uninterrupted scenes in every episode. So trp audience are used to not watch sairat together which is why leap is working. Because most of the ghum episodes filled with drama, not much romance,zero comedy angle, limited happy scenes.

Also...ishqbaaz was a mess post leap.😵

Originally posted by: ShipIsSailing

A bad plot can be ignored for a good couple (the current scenario). Similarly, a bad couple and chemistry can be ignored for an interesting plot.

Personally, I don't believe they will remove Sai, for if they do, they will need some really good drama to keep the show afloat, but I do believe that thinking that Sai is the only reason the people are watching the show and that they will all stop watching if she goes away is also wrong. The tv audience in general don't feel as strongly about Sai's character as we do. And if they will get good entertainment, they won't hesitate watching Pakhi as main lead.

But, yes, if there isn't any good plot nor any good acting, then the trp will drop. This is why I know that Sai won't be going anywhere, coz like you said, makers aren't capable of making any good plot, but if by some miracle they do create a decent storyline, then the lack of Sai's char won't be a reason for people to ignore the show. At least, that's what I have seen happen throughout the years on ITV.

yes but we have seen 700 + episodes now. We know they lack the ability to actually produce a good storyline. and if by some huge miracle they do, they need people who can deliver the goods. Having a poor actor as lead will screw up a good plot also. I do believe that even TRP audience is connected to Sai the most. I believe that TRP aunties will take the OTT and cringe drama as long as there is a bouncing back of FL and something to look forward to. In this show, even TRP audience is connected to ONLY Sai. I dont think they are connected to V or P or Chavans. And they are probably also connected to both kids now. but TRP audience will never be able to connect to P. the actor just does not have it in her. and neither does the jodi of VP have that spark to attract views. TRP audience likes watching P get her due from Sai's verbal lashing or to see Sai be the forgiving, ideal , large hearted person who is nice even to her enemy P. They dont connect with bechaari mahaan P. They will accept mahaan Sai but not P. Nobody is feeling sorry for P. They watch for Sai.

But yes, Sai or Ayesha is NOT irreplaceable. but the replacement cannot be just anybody. Lack of Sai can only be replaced by equally engaging characters and actors , or new cackling chemistry waali jodi as the focal point. V and P are not it. Ya if they take a leap and focus on Savi or Vinu and launch a totally new plot like Naamkaran did in the past or like YHC or YRKKH or Imlie have done they may have a chance- but even that will need new actors. They cannot use the actors playing V and P to move the plot without Sai.

Originally posted by: Kumuda-123

@bold, so virat getting mesmerized with pakhi okay because he saved sai first? His saving sai undone the fact that he got mesmerized by pakhi beauty.

Virat pakhi relationship has everything that a husband & wife relationship should have except a physical relationship.

There is haq, respect, care, and sensitivity from virat towards pakhi.

It's not platonic when he is giving mesmerizing looks to her, feeding her, and now ready to share a bed with her.

If virat behaves normally with another man in front of him, then I will agree that what he showed towards the sai jagtap angle is jealousy.

For me, vanraj not liking Anupama and Anuj is the same as virat not liking sai with another man. It's not loving jealousy. It's possession.

That man didn't mind sending sai to jail permanently. So he has anything but love for her.

@bold: That is why I say Virat does not know what he wants. Virat moved on in his life, but if Sai does the same, he will get jealous.

Saving Sai first is not the point. Virat told Pakhi that if he has to save her and Pakhi, he would prioritize her.

But when it came to that, he did just the opposite.

Do his words match his action? Pakhi never got carried away by his talks as before. She keeps telling Virat that he should never make promises he cannot keep.

If Virat loves Pakhi, why does she ask whether he is gifting the necklace to make Sai jealous?

Pakhi is obsessed with Viray and wants to marry him at any cost. She never realized whether it would be helpful to her or not. She wants to have Virat only for herself. She doesn't care whether he loves her or not.

Her life revolves only around Virat.

I never said that Virat loves Sai.

For that matter, Virat does not love anyone except himself.

He is selfish, self-centered, fickle-minded, and shallow.

Virat trusts Pakhi, but does she trust him? If she had trusted him, why did she call Sai and tell her to leave Nagpur?

Pakhi knows that Savi is Virat's daughter, and he won't let Sai take Savi when she leaves the place.

I feel that Pakhi's positivity is too good to be true. She expressed her hatred towards an innocent child-like Savi.

What harm did she do to her?

Is it Savi's fault that she saw a father figure in Virat?

I feel there is some suspense which we have to wait and watch.

I am getting the vibe that adopted Vinu is Sairat's son, and it might be bk or Pakhi or both who might have planned a bus accident and put Vinayak in an orphanage.

It is nothing new for bk. When she can deprive her daughter of her child, then why can't she do this to Virat?

If Pakhi shows her true colors yet again, then I won't get surprised. As per the theme, it will happen sooner or later.

We only have to wait and see patiently.