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Posted: 4 years ago
#41

Originally posted by: laksh

You know how I feel about it. I don’t believe that she wanted EMA. I had once written about it and I will try to see if I can find that.

To be honest, her actions were also driven by emotions. She just didn’t know what she was doing too. She just wanted to stay close to Virat, somewhere where he would be around I guess. It was a foolish thing to think of getting married to someone so as to stay close to someone she loves. I also believe that if she ever loved Virat, she wouldn’t expect him not to move on. Love means giving and feeling happy for your loved ones whether you are happy or not.

Anyway, she didn’t even know what she was doing. She kept hoping that he would stop the marriage even at the mandap. I kind of have a mixed feeling about one thing. I feel that she was high in emotions that she didn’t think of repercussions of her actions and just decided that she would get married. It was only when she walked into CN as Samrat’s wife, only when she moved into Samrat’s bedroom, sitting in his room did she even realise what she had done, what she has gotten herself into. Her trance broke. She had realised the gravity of the situation only then. I would say that was why she had even made the call to Virat and cheek cheek ke bata rahi thi happened when she couldn’t stop herself from expressing or exploding in what mess she was. She didn’t realise that marrying Samrat would mean she would be his wife, she will have to live with him as his wife in his room. She didn’t realise that there would be expectations from her as a wife, as a bahu, being wife of Samrat. That made her scream out of agony and her own madness, foolishness that she loves and can only love Virat.

None of these are to justify her actions, it is my understanding of Pakhi during her wedding and also at that moment in her room when she was hit by the reality.


She had come up to Sairat’s bedroom because she wanted to show that only she had rights on Virat. She started to get restless after Virat got married and ever since she saw Virat getting drawn to Sai. It started during the rasams where he was impressed with Sai to have convinced Kaku to have food from her hands. And then came the reception. As and when days passed by she could see Virat’s growing fondness for Sai. She just couldn’t tolerate that he would give the position that he had once given and was planning to give her for the entire lifetime to someone else. She wanted to test Virat too whether he was planning to stick to the promise or not. She wanted to keep reminding him with her presence. All she wanted was Virat to think high only of her, Virat to have feelings for only her, Virat to get impressed only with her. She wanted his attention, his support and all of these developed without her own knowledge when she started to see Sai and Virat together, when she was noticing changes in Virat, when she could see Virat giving the position that he once planned to give her to Sai.

Her coming to his room or feeding him were all so that she tries to keep his thoughts away from Sai, so that he continues to think only about her and not Sai. She just wanted him to keep her at a place which no one else can ever take.

In her jealousy, her hurt turned to agony, into anger and at the end vileness too. She had lost herself in the process. She didn’t care about anything. All the things started to affect her and disturb her to such an extent that she didn’t care about what was right and what was wrong.

The Ladakh trip again was something that was only hers and Virats. She wanted it that way, for the trip to be only hers and Virats. She just didn’t want Sai anywhere around Virat. She started to get too possessive that she wanted him to spend time only with her. Virat spending time alone with Sai kept disturbing her. Sai getting whatever she had dreamt disturbed her. She wanted time away from Sai where Virat would stop thinking or talking about Sai and spend time only with her.

Every move that she made was when she got too desperate to keep Virat away from Sai or to distract Virat’s attention from Sai. If Sai or any other girl had not been in picture, if Virat had not fallen for that girl, I don’t believe that Pakhi would have become this desperate. I think that her theory about love is an eternal one where she can love only one person in her life. Where love happens just once. I think she had thought that even after marrying Samrat, she would continue to love only Virat and not give that place to anyone else in her heart.

Just my views. This is how or what I think about Pakhi. This is not to justify any of her actions. I am obviously against her behaviour and actions. But I don’t believe that Pakhi wanted EMA. She was getting emotionally dependent on him, and her initial phone calls are the proofs for it. I think she started to crave for his attention, his support as and when time passed, as and when she realised after she got married that her decision to get married was stupid and wrong, that she wanted to change it somehow. And when he got married, she lost her senses and started to get more and more desperate.

very well said laksh, even I don't feel pakhi ever wanted ema, she marring Samrat just happened in the heat of moment, yes she can maturely which she always says and stop the marriage but with few clips of her marriage what I understood is, she tried to make virat jealous while dancing with Samrat in Sangeeth or tried to make him realize that he is doing wrong by sacrificing and expected him to stop the wedding.... But none of it happened, but once she entered samrakhi room which was fully decorated, she was pulled into reality which she couldn't tolerate, even though I hate that she took vadha from virat, till she didn't turn evil I actually sympathize her, because everyone does mistakes and pakhi also did it.... But her jealous turned her heart less, even now I don't think she is looking for ema but she completely wants virat to herself emotionally and physically ( I mean he should stay virgen ) .... But I feel if sai is not in picture and Samrat is MIA , at someone she might try to marry virat ...
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Posted: 4 years ago
#42

Originally posted by: Rdigest

I don't think Virat would have ever agreed to marry Pakhi. Cannot pinpoint but the way he clearly denied telling anyone about them in samrat wedding and then walking away from the wedding tells me he never really loved her not was interested in fighting for her. Also he is a man of principles he would never deceive his Jeeva.

I completely agree with this....

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: tptwi

I agree that she was never intelligent enough to plan and plot...but that is different from hoping and wanting, right? So, maybe she did not scheme herself into this situation in hopes of an EMA, but she might have still desired it. I agree that when Virat married Sai, her jealously took over. She became vile, when she was just emotional before. But, then, what do you make of her entering their bedroom in the middle of the night trying to kick Sai out so that she could be alone there with him? And what about her insisting to pack his things in the same suitcase and go on the Ladhak trip without Sai- that, too, to save a few days at the end for vacation? Sure, she was fighting for his attention and him to keep her place above Sai's, but doesn't this behavior scream a desire to get close to him? And what about her dream holi dance with Virat? She was imagining herself getting close to him there too....

All the above scenarios you quoted attributes to jealousy. She wouldn’t have a problem if Virat was just being a friend or distant like he did after marriage if he was unmarried or had a deal marriage in real sense . Due to her jealousy, she was trying to get close with the fear that he will fall in live with Sai . In her opinion, Ladakh trip was a olden opportunity to get close to Virat and remind him of their yoga resort days . If there was no Sai then she wouldn’t be threatened of losing and wouldn’t have become desperate .
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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: 404_NotFound

All the above scenarios you quoted attributes to jealousy. She wouldn’t have a problem if Virat was just being a friend or distant like he did after marriage if he was unmarried or had a deal marriage in real sense . Due to her jealousy, she was trying to get close with the fear that he will fall in live with Sai . In her opinion, Ladakh trip was a olden opportunity to get close to Virat and remind him of their yoga resort days . If there was no Sai then she wouldn’t be threatened of losing and wouldn’t have become desperate .


@bolded: I cannot get myself to believe this. Even just looking at her behavior of screaming on the phone to Virat on her SR. She was shouting "I love you" at the top of her lungs..this to me was already showing her desperation. Sai was not part of the picture then. In addition to the moments I have listed, the scene when she is sniffing his shirt is also clearly sexual. And what about the scene when she calls him into her room in her red night gown? Or when she doesn't not want him to stop touching her cheek on holi? All of these, to me, indicate a desperation for his touch....

Edited by tptwi - 4 years ago
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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: sadiltl

This gets me to wonder...if sai is not in picture and Samrat dies...would Virat have agreed to marry her? Looking at his sponge like dil, i am sure he would have...the line is clear then.


Dont throw chappals. Just a hypothetical scenario.


PS: Pooja, you opened a can of worms yaar. ab dekh mujhe lagadenge pitayi.

In case where Samrat died and there is no Sai in the picture… and family members and Didi herself pleading to consider.. he might have married her out of pity.. He is a man with a big heart and always puts his family first..

Not out love.. but out of sympathy he would have agreed.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: tptwi


@bolded: I cannot get myself to believe this. Even just looking at her behavior of screaming on the phone to Virat on her SR. She was shouting "I love you" at the top of her lungs..this to me was already showing her desperation. Sai was not part of the picture then. In addition to the moments I have listed, the scene when she is sniffing his shirt is also clearly sexual. And what about the scene when she calls him into her room in her red night gown? Or when she doesn't not want him to stop touching her cheek on holi? All of these, to me, indicate a desperation for his touch....

I agree with you about the above incidents .. it indicated towards physical desire . I was talking about initially she didn’t intend EMA but off late it looks like she is desperate for him in all sense
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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: tptwi


What about her sniffing his shirt and touching his pillow? Did that not indicate sexual desires? Also, what about these moments that Rdigest has listed....


- touching Virat at every opportunity she gets

- wanting to feed him with her own hands

- asking him to come inside the room in the red night dress

- asking him to calm down and she would get food for him in her bedroom

- her wanting to have dinner with Virat in his room right after Sai was kicked out

- dreaming about sitting on his lap during the holi song

- not wanting to lose his touch on her cheeks during holi

- insinuation dialogue by Kaku about how beautiful she looks when she is ready for the trip and her all shy about the same


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I agree that if Sai was not in the picture, she would not have been psycho. But all of the above listed moments have nothing to do with Sai. They have everything to do with her own desires for him... at least to me...

This is the problem with unnecessary emotional closeness. It leads to familiarity and taking liberties. Pakhi's touch may not have sexual connotation.

Touch can also be a great way of initiating/strengthening emotional closeness. Pakhi's attempt to put a reassuring hand on his shoulder, to bring food for him etc can be seen as her desperate attempts to bring back the emotional intimacy that she felt she was losing. Other attempts like feeding him etc also came from the same desperation.

Pakhi trying to support Virat while he has collapsing at the hospital was Pakhi imagining herself as caring for her true love.

Pakhi clutching Virat's shirt is her mourning the life she could have had with him. She was ready to settle for less - having him by her side and remaining emotionally attached to him. But she lost even that - after Virat has fallen in love with Sai. Knowing that all her hopes are gone - and her attempts to separate SaiRat are futile - she is finally acknowledging and grieving.

These two have been far too emotionally close / familiar and these liberties is a spillover from that.


I think this is what they wanted to portray


Having said that, I'm not okay with what is being shown. I agree that a lot of scenes are executed so poorly. They give the vibes of EMA or harassment or creepiness.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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We know what she did everyday. So not to mention her harkati, all I realized she clearly wanted and expecting EMA and that desire intensified by Virat's silly VADA. It was clear from many many of her behaviour that she harbour sexual desire with Virat. She was NOT clearly looking for veg (broccoli, avocado, cabbage, coliflower) relation rather was total despo to get into nonveg (chicken, mutton, lamb) relation. Sai's presence make her complete psycho as she realized Virat's attention will be drift away and gradually drifting towards Sai and that causes distress in her mind and today she is full blown psycho. The marraige night she literally shouting in phone and telling Virat that now she have to stay with Sam in same room. She clearly did not accepted Sam as husband and day dreaming Virat. Her obsessive characteristic fueled further. But it was pure EMA relation expecting.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: nethraa_99

This is the problem with unnecessary emotional closeness. It leads to familiarity and taking liberties. Pakhi's touch may not have sexual connotation.

Touch can also be a great way of initiating/strengthening emotional closeness. Pakhi's attempt to put a reassuring hand on his shoulder, to bring food for him etc can be seen as her desperate attempts to bring back the emotional intimacy that she felt she was losing. Other attempts like feeding him etc also came from the same desperation.

Pakhi trying to support Virat while he has collapsing at the hospital was Pakhi imagining herself as caring for her true love.

Pakhi clutching Virat's shirt is her mourning the life she could have had with him. She was ready to settle for less - having him by her side and remaining emotionally attached to him. But she lost even that - after Virat has fallen in love with Sai. Knowing that all her hopes are gone - and her attempts to separate SaiRat are futile - she is finally acknowledging and grieving.

These two have been far too emotionally close / familiar and these liberties is a spillover from that.


I think this is what they wanted to portray


Having said that, I'm not okay with what is being shown. I agree that a lot of scenes are executed so poorly. They give the vibes of EMA or harassment or creepiness.


I'm sorry Nethraa... I am just not convinced by this 😭

Maybe it is because, as you have said, the execution has been so poor. But many of the moments that @Rdigest has mentioned have screamed sexual desire to me. When Pakhi was drunk on holi, she quite literally imagined herself sitting in Virat's lap. That is way beyond emotional intimacy in my opinion. Or the way she blushed when kaku complimented her before the Ladhak trip... why blush when you don't have intentions to seduce the man you are going on the trip with? And the red nightgown scene is really something else... 🤢

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: tptwi


I'm sorry Nethraa... I am just not convinced by this 😭

Maybe it is because, as you have said, the execution has been so poor. But many of the moments that @Rdigest has mentioned have screamed sexual desire to me. When Pakhi was drunk on holi, she quite literally imagined herself sitting in Virat's lap. That is way beyond emotional intimacy in my opinion. Or the way she blushed when kaku complimented her before the Ladhak trip... why blush when you don't have intentions to seduce the man you are going on the trip with? And the red nightgown scene is really something else... 🤢

See if majority people are feeling this way, they should have introspected and tried to find out where they are going wrong in execution. But they are infact increasing the inappropriate quotient. What to do? I hope KD portrayed it better?

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