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Originally posted by: notaquitter

I completely agree with your points. You have voiced it out so well.

Sai has one mantra that she blindly follows without thinking ahead about herself or anyone else

“ she just can’t see anything wrong happening around her”

the CVS are working around her said mantra or teaching.

so she just dives from one problem to another without giving it any second thought. That too she loves Devi t’ai so I think she will go to any extent to make sure she is happy.

that being said , if Virat is in any trouble she will go to any extent to save him. We have proof, the way she went to DIG sirs office to save him.

the CVS haven’t put Virat in any trouble , to evoke her protectiveness and possessiveness.

Yesterday’s mera pati was very telling. When she said she won’t be quiet if someone accuses her DEALWALI husband

Originally posted by: notaquitter

I completely agree with your points. You have voiced it out so well.

Sai has one mantra that she blindly follows without thinking ahead about herself or anyone else

“ she just can’t see anything wrong happening around her”

the CVS are working around her said mantra or teaching.

so she just dives from one problem to another without giving it any second thought. That too she loves Devi t’ai so I think she will go to any extent to make sure she is happy.

Another thing is her age..She is just eighteen years old and thereby lacks the understanding of the ways of the world. She can’t even imagine Bhavani could do such nasty things and even lie without a bit of hesitation.

With age and experience humans learn a lot. Sai has no exposure to the outside world which is grey,black,manipulative and what not. I remember her stint with Jagtap where she accidentally gets into his van only in trying to escape from him.(.I really enjoyed Gadchiroli episodes.) That is Sai by nature. Too young,unexposed to anything dark or black.

She believed Pulkit by instinct connecting him with Devi’s occasional banter. Yes there is a chance that he may turn out to be a man with evil motives...but Sai being Sai won’t think about that possibility.

That is Sai ..the girl who did not think twice before putting herself in danger for Pari..who ran like a mad girl at midnight when she heard of her father’s accident.

There is a difference between other FL s Of ITV and Sai here. Sai ‘s characterisation is what makes her stand apart from all those self sacrificing heroines.

I genuinely think Sai did not even think of herself and Virat before moving ahead. This shows her as the childwoman still to grow up and savour the marital bliss in true sense. She needs to go a long way in his companionship to think in that perspective.

So the show for me holds interest because of Sai and then her great chemistry with Virat. The show falls flat if Sai is taken away from the story..for me. That much I love her with all her charecter traits from the bottom of my heart.

i stopped watching the show regularly,

pulkhit achanak saey chavan nivas mein khoodh padey😆..

aur precap: hope its not à dream..

Originally posted by: notaquitter

that being said , if Virat is in any trouble she will go to any extent to save him. We have proof, the way she went to DIG sirs office to save him.

the CVS haven’t put Virat in any trouble , to evoke her protectiveness and possessiveness.

Yesterday’s mera pati was very telling. When she said she won’t be quiet if someone accuses her DEALWALI husband

You know I really hoped that they show some follow back on what Sai said and what Virat said. It was a big deal. They stood up for each other as husband and wife. Normally, it would be a big deal. Couple would talk about it or at least have monologue about it, but nothing here. I think they are "Ghum hai kisi ke jhagdon main"

Originally posted by: methebest

You know I really hoped that they show some follow back on what Sai said and what Virat said. It was a big deal. They stood up for each other as husband and wife. Normally, it would be a big deal. Couple would talk about it or at least have monologue about it, but nothing here. I think they are "Ghum hai kisi ke jhagdon main"

Exactly, it’s such a big deal. I voiced the same thing in another thread. They should have had a follow up conversation to what happened. In the temple or atleast in the car.

They still might, because the time in CN stands still. A day will be dragged on to atleast a few episodes

Originally posted by: methebest

You know I really hoped that they show some follow back on what Sai said and what Virat said. It was a big deal. They stood up for each other as husband and wife. Normally, it would be a big deal. Couple would talk about it or at least have monologue about it, but nothing here. I think they are "Ghum hai kisi ke jhagdon main"

or I just think we are thinking way too logically for an ITV show

Originally posted by: jane_austen

I'm going to go a bit off-topic here - into the way female characters are written.

@bold Isn't the fact that Sai is putting so much effort to unite Pulkit-Devi shows her more than compassionate nature? She is intelligent. Does she have to be self-sacrificing too? This is a classic ITV FL trope - if she isn't self-sacrificing she isn't an FL. More so in the case of Sai - she is moophat therefore it has to be balanced by self-sacrifice. World over, there is a tendency to iron out darker shades in female characters because of evidence that such female characters are poorly received by the audience (although similar male characters are easily accepted or even admired). ITV takes this trend a long way further to make the FL a self-sacrificing angel. Why does Sai ask Virat if he got food for everyone in the family in the middle of their (very private) moment of reconciliation(after a heart-breaking fight)? Why does Sai pray for the well-being of each and every member of CN during the alta episode? Is it realistically believable? Doesn't it rob the viewers the pleasure of relating to the characters or show layered female characters? Or are we to assume that being brought up by a single parent - Sai follows the teachings of her father to the 'T' because it has become a part of her identity (albeit a simplistic one)?

In ITV, spousal relationship takes the least priority for a FL - in-laws, social service takes precedence. How is hurting your spouse a good thing? True that Sai is not yet in a secure place with Virat. Still does it mean its okay to risk her standing? I do hope that she is taking this action in faith that Virat will understand - I'm bored of sacrificial lambs.😒

I think you have stated it in the spashth-est words @bold

The whole problem arises because there is this need to create "perfect" characters -- so both the protagonists have to have the "self-sacrificing" trait because in all the grey the self-sacrificing nature will be over emphasised to be the forever alibi to any action they do.

So, the female leads have to be the ones to encompass the 'Neeti Shastra' virtues that define a woman as a "good wife" (written by a man) ‘Karyeshu Dasi, Karaneshu Manthri; Bhojeshu Mata, Shayaneshu Rambha, Roopeshu lakshmi, Kshamayeshu Dharitri, Shat dharmayukta, Kuladharma Patni’. You've hit the nail on the head when you say that their flaws are accepted only because they have these virtues. At the end of the day, Bhavani keeps singing 'susheel bahu' paeans to Patralekha but the audience, despite Sai's moofat nature, has to accept Sai as the 'susheel' one. Why can't the female lead also be worried about her own relationship?

You pointed out the exact scene-- where she asks if Virat has brought food for everyone or not... in that moment, too, she had to think of the family. It is her inherent good nature as we have been shown -- yes teachings of Aaba for sure, but can it stretch to the point where you are ready to risk the very relationship that brought you in contact with the person who you are fighting for. Sai's relation with Devyani is because of Virat.

True that they are not exactly in a 'secure place' as far as their relationship with one another is concerned, but didn't they just speak about the "chance" that he wanted to make things right which he has given him and also the fact that he's spoken about leaving the family house with her-- who does that only for 'farz', when the biggest complaint that we have with him is his blind love for his family? She definitely heard and felt him in that moment -- she is also fully aware of his changing feelings but yes, there is a question about the unclear part of the 'vaada' that he has not addressed. Even then, she has been told she 'means a lot' and he values his relationship with her... So, at least one thought about what he would say -- would he agree with me or not? Will he be angry? Will he understand? what should i do to convince him?

She has not been shown to have any kind of thoughts about how Virat will react. Instead, even when Ashwini is talking about their marriage because Virat has really made a statement in front of the family which is far from the 'deal', she is only worried about Pulkit and Devyani. Like Virat said, "she doesn't think how her actions will affect those who stand up for her when they have no clue what she will do next."

Originally posted by: notaquitter

@bold I think she takes Virat’s statement at face value. Just the other day he said he has full faith in her and then in the mandir he said he will do anything to ensure that Devi t’ai is fine. Plus he took a stand against his family, so she feels she can reason with him once he meets Pulkit. She feels he will trust her when the truth is in front of his eyes and not just the information. This will obviously at some point back fire on her.

she doesn’t consider the closeness of her relationship with Virat. She hasn’t really given it much thought. From everything Virat said the other day it is clear to some extent that he harbours great care towards her but to her it can still come under the umbrella of zimmedari. Plus his PP equation is still not clear for her. But to me personally him saying he Will leave the family for her is a big sign. If someone was to say that for me I would definitely think that person cares a GREAT deal more than responsibility for me.

Sai is used to dealing things on her own that she is unable to lean on even Virat.

Originally posted by: notaquitter

I completely agree with your points. You have voiced it out so well.

Sai has one mantra that she blindly follows without thinking ahead about herself or anyone else

“ she just can’t see anything wrong happening around her”

the CVS are working around her said mantra or teaching.

so she just dives from one problem to another without giving it any second thought. That too she loves Devi t’ai so I think she will go to any extent to make sure she is happy.

I agree with you. My question is not coming from the fact that she has any wrong intentions-- for Devyani to really be united with Pulkit, it would need a drastic step and only Sai has the nerve to do it. I get all that. But, my only issue is that as a partner -- not even a wife, let's say a companion only and because she is aware of his feelings for her -- shouldn't she think even once, "What will he say? Should I ask him?" The only two times she has asked him was to find out if he was 'willing' to find out about Devyani. Both times, he said a very eager 'Yes' but of course he's skeptical about the story of the marriage because the family has been kept in the dark by the three elders who guard the secret.

Twice, he has asked her directly about PD Sir in their private conversation -- bedroom and temple... she could have dropped some hint to gauge his reaction instead of just bringing him face to face with Pulkit. And at least now that she knows he will come face to face. Virat would have heard and been prepared, at least, like he was eventually prepared for Amey. He would have also seen Devyani's reaction to the whole situation with a better perspective.

I also understand that it is not her decision to call Pulkit but Pulkit's self-invitation. But she is the one who knows. She is the one who's preparing Devyani for the meeting but has not taken a single person into confidence. I also know that she believes in Devyani's story and she thinks that she has heard both sides of the coin-- she doesn't care what the Chakram gang thinks and it is fine. But what makes her feel that they will not have a story ready to turn the tables and completely refute Pulkit's story, put down Devyani's due to her mental state and use the legal options available to restrain Pulkit by blaming him for something. And because the groundwork has not been done well, it will only complicate the matters.

@bold: It is not a simple statement coming from someone like Virat. It really translates into :"You are my everything now" in Virat's jalebi language. She should have given him at least one thought, to be fair. And then gone ahead and done the right thing if he refused to side with her because she is Sai Joshi anyway. 😆

Originally posted by: ltelidevara

Totally agree with you. It is her charecter trait. She never thinks that she is sacrificing her own security and happiness for others. If she loves someone she dives deep into troubled waters without a second thought,only to help others. This was well established since the introduction of her charecter supported by the incidents that happened in her life at Gadchiroli then and at Nagpur now.

Another thing is her age..She is just eighteen years old and thereby lacks the understanding of the ways of the world. She can’t even imagine Bhavani could do such nasty things and even lie without a bit of hesitation.

With age and experience humans learn a lot. Sai has no exposure to the outside world which is grey,black,manipulative and what not. I remember her stint with Jagtap where she accidentally gets into his van only in trying to escape from him.(.I really enjoyed Gadchiroli episodes.) That is Sai by nature. Too young,unexposed to anything dark or black.

She believed Pulkit by instinct connecting him with Devi’s occasional banter. Yes there is a chance that he may turn out to be a man with evil motives...but Sai being Sai won’t think about that possibility.

That is Sai ..the girl who did not think twice before putting herself in danger for Pari..who ran like a mad girl at midnight when she heard of her father’s accident.

There is a difference between other FL s Of ITV and Sai here. Sai ‘s characterisation is what makes her stand apart from all those self sacrificing heroines.

I genuinely think Sai did not even think of herself and Virat before moving ahead. This shows her as the childwoman still to grow up and savour the marital bliss in true sense. She needs to go a long way in his companionship to think in that perspective.

So the show for me holds interest because of Sai and then her great chemistry with Virat. The show falls flat if Sai is taken away from the story..for me. That much I love her with all her charecter traits from the bottom of my heart.

@bold: That is really what it is. And I agree with this explanation of yours totally. For her, the relationship with Virat does not matter at this moment as much as it matters to Virat -- that's exactly what I have been trying to say. My questions are not from the pov of questioning her intention-- it is her character trait -- but she's just felt that passionate feeling he has for her when he told his family he will walk away -- and as we discussed the 'touch' in the parking lot. She knows they are a team too. So, I am thinking if her total lack of thought for Virat's reaction comes from her confidence in his support or from not being bothered? I don't tink she is "not bothered" but if she has to choose between Devyani-Pulkit union and her own marriage, she will let go of her own marriage.

That's why her statement to Devyani today gave a bit of an insight into her mind: Saccha pyaar thokar khaane se nahi toot ta... May be it was also her way of suggesting that the trust between Virat and her would eventually be that.

But although she's different from the other kitchen politics bahus, one can't deny that they are still making her do a few things that pander to the stereotypes of the 'bahu material' but that is only for the mass appeal I guess. I agree that the show is watch worthy only for her.

Originally posted by: jankiraghav

I agree with you. My question is not coming from the fact that she has any wrong intentions-- for Devyani to really be united with Pulkit, it would need a drastic step and only Sai has the nerve to do it. I get all that. But, my only issue is that as a partner -- not even a wife, let's say a companion only and because she is aware of his feelings for her -- shouldn't she think even once, "What will he say? Should I ask him?" The only two times she has asked him was to find out if he was 'willing' to find out about Devyani. Both times, he said a very eager 'Yes' but of course he's skeptical about the story of the marriage because the family has been kept in the dark by the three elders who guard the secret.

Twice, he has asked her directly about PD Sir in their private conversation -- bedroom and temple... she could have dropped some hint to gauge his reaction instead of just bringing him face to face with Pulkit. And at least now that she knows he will come face to face. Virat would have heard and been prepared, at least, like he was eventually prepared for Amey. He would have also seen Devyani's reaction to the whole situation with a better perspective.

I also understand that it is not her decision to call Pulkit but Pulkit's self-invitation. But she is the one who knows. She is the one who's preparing Devyani for the meeting but has not taken a single person into confidence. I also know that she believes in Devyani's story and she thinks that she has heard both sides of the coin-- she doesn't care what the Chakram gang thinks and it is fine. But what makes her feel that they will not have a story ready to turn the tables and completely refute Pulkit's story, put down Devyani's due to her mental state and use the legal options available to restrain Pulkit by blaming him for something. And because the groundwork has not been done well, it will only complicate the matters.

@bold: It is not a simple statement coming from someone like Virat. It really translates into :"You are my everything now" in Virat's jalebi language. She should have given him at least one thought, to be fair. And then gone ahead and done the right thing if he refused to side with her because she is Sai Joshi anyway.

My wish would have been for a saiRat united stand on this issue as well. She could have shared her thoughts when Virat asked her in the bedroom. But alas, lost opportunity to increase the drama quotient 😢

@bold it’s her focus towards one goal that she hasn’t thought the repercussions through. They were building something beautiful but everything is going to come tumbling down. Even before she could analyse the damage she has done to their budding relationship, Virat might end up doing something bigger which doesn’t leave Sai to analyse her own mistakes and the damage she is doing. Same thing happened during the Pulkit house visit episode. No self reflection on Sai’s part.