P&P Part III - Page 56

Originally posted by: kizh72

@Kavi, @Shradha,

Giving Viv the benefit of doubt, when they first started dating and decided on getting married, they did confess their feelings for the other (she had quoted Pablo Neruda to him once). But when the whole Inder/Naina thingy happened, I think the emotional support she expected from him didn't happen. He was caustic in his attitude towards Naina, her sister. The same way he doesn't like to hear anything about his mother, even if she was wrong. That's how we all are. They broke up then, she felt the differences between them in the way they look at life was way too different, inspite of the love they felt for the other.

Where has she not shown her empathy? She knew something was off with him when that job situation happened and had told him she could fight with anyone for him. And when it comes to his father too, she does respect and like Satyen a lot. They got married for him, there can't be a better act of empathy than that, that she felt she needed to do it for this man who had always been good and kind, that she wouldn't have lived with the guilt if not. She didn't tell him about the rejection but later on she did say that she wanted to wallow in self pity for some time considering the amount of time and effort she had put in for that application. And in a way her wanting to get along with his family is also for him isn't it? The same way Anubha puts up with Dadi and doesn't tell Akash everything. We all do that, with our in laws, even if our patience is tested we go along and we do it for our spouses😆 I think the differences in the social milieu that they grew up in and also gender differences with respect to these things show up. He thinks there is no need to get along with Lekha or try to do so (Smrita doesn't care for Mitali, does she?), whereas she feels the need to build relationships (not a repeat of Anubha and Garima). Why would she do that if she was waiting for the marriage to get over?

With Naina, she was Viv's secret keeper, the one she told everything to. Things that can't be told to her parents. If there is one thing she kept from her it is that confession from Raanav when he told her he was in love with her. Isn't there a line that her PhD dreams and relationship with Naina is what kept her going? The breaking down of that relationship is bound to hurt. Plus she has been reeling from one thing to another, events seem to have gotten out of her hands. Bound to erupt. When things seem to go out of hand, I guess it is human nature to want to hold on to that which is familiar and loved, here it is her family. She comes home to feel better, for that emotional support even if she may not let out she is in need of it. Only thing left to see is if her trust in Naina is misplaced or not. It is her (Naina) who needs to put in some thought about what her actions has done to her loved ones. The impact it has had on relationships. Plus I don't know why she needs to drag Abhishek into every conversation, didn't Viv tell her about his penchant for young girls and that he had never been into the relationship fully, the way she wanted him to be? It had been all about him. I don't know why she said that line about been in it for the sex, to show Naina that she also did what Naina had done?

Viv and Raanav, they would need to put the other first and fight for them if the relationship needs to work, going forward. Even if it means telling a few home truths to mothers and sisters😆

I agree that her strengths were Naina and her ambition to do a PhD and now both are not there.

And Viveka has been trying to get her sister's affection back too. But Priya, most of us face rejections, changes in our lives. We all have moved on, found newer aims, found strengths in different forms.

How long will Viv look for her sister's strength when Naina is not even putting any effort to reciprocate Viveka's attempts?

And did Viveka think that telling Naina something like she married Raanav only for his father's health situation and to have good s**, will eliminate that gap that has been created between them?

Did Viveka not marry Raanav for any other reason apart from the above two?

Just imagine if Anu and Akash heard this, they will be heart broken.

I feel in her obsessive need to win Naina's love back, Viveka is ruining her life in the process.

If Naina tells this out in the open, their parents would be heart broken, Raanav-Viveka's marriage will break and this time Satyen too will not side with Viveka. Worst is if Anu's health issues come up, then Viveka will never be able to forgive herself or look into her father's eyes.

Originally posted by: canapoem

I agree that her strengths were Naina and her ambition to do a PhD and now both are not there.

And Viveka has been trying to get her sister's affection back too. But Priya, most of us face rejections, changes in our lives. We all have moved on, found newer aims, found strengths in different forms.

How long will Viv look for her sister's strength when Naina is not even putting any effort to reciprocate Viveka's attempts?

And did Viveka think that telling Naina something like she married Raanav only for his father's health situation and to have good s**, will eliminate that gap that has been created between them?

Did Viveka not marry Raanav for any other reason apart from the above two?

Just imagine if Anu and Akash heard this, they will be heart broken.

I feel in her obsessive need to win Naina's love back, Viveka is ruining her life in the process.

If Naina tells this out in the open, their parents would be heart broken, Raanav-Viveka's marriage will break and this time Satyen too will not side with Viveka. Worst is if Anu's health issues come up, then Viveka will never be able to forgive herself or look into her father's eyes.

I would hate it if we read her wrong all along. We are all human beings and we make mistakes, absolutely. This is Viveka’s trial, hopefully she’ll realize where she’s going wrong and where she needs to course correct.

She asked Raanav why Naina’s siblings should be answerable for her decisions and actions. It’s time she acted as if she really meant it.
And Naina, satbuddhi de bhagwan😆 she’ll know better about where and what to keep her mouth shut.

You know as I was reading the sisters conversation ..was thinking at least on Naina bit like you ..oh the needy sister Naina starts again..has conveniently forgotten about Abhishek Weiner habits etc.

But her breakdown and summary of their relationship to just sex and about a "good man" being made happy is revealing and the state of her relation with Raanav.

Neruda (I love you without knowing how etc) was maybe true during the infatuation period and like you said after the Naina fiasco and their breakup..fizzled out..or love was not allowed to grow. She married him and that was magnanimous on her part because of Satyen's health.and that she could not live with it if something happened to Satyen.

Anyway I do agree she is out of her element at the Parasher residence..otherwise the old Viveka would not have bragged to Sid that "she did not want cars and jewellery as a gift.and got philanthropist names from Satyen".

So going to family when things are breaking down in her life (ph.d rejection) makes sense..but not even once she has questioned Naina's comments/behavior. Be it about Abhishek or her sister constant need to know why she could marry Raanav? Or the foolhardiness/recklessness of a 28 year old.sexually active sister who uses her period cycle for contraception. Or talking about Inder's wealth or grandness of Parasher's residence --- wrong for a outsider to misunderstand that as a gold digger? She really is.not privy to what Raanav has heard/overheard about Naina

P and Kavi I responded to you both earlier but forgot to tag you.or quote your comment. 😏 Will get the hang of using the forum ways eventually

I still am not able to accept that Viv told Satyen's health and good sex were the reasons for her to marry Raanav.

So would she have married any other guy if that guy's father would have asked Viv to marry?

For instance her professors or her co-NGO sponsors, maybe they have sons too. Would Viv had married their sons if asked?

I really feel Viveka needs to sit and think about what Raanav means to her.

I love Viveka and I appreciate so much about her. I really don't want her to throw away her life like this.

Naina, Smrita etc etc, all come later on.

She should put herself, her dreams and her marriage above everyone and everything for now.

Naina is a grown woman, and she has to face the consequences of her actions. Viv should stop worrying about Naina and her relationship with her for now.

Originally posted by: bakwas_serial

You know as I was reading the sisters conversation ..was thinking at least on Naina bit like you ..oh the needy sister Naina starts again..has conveniently forgotten about Abhishek Weiner habits etc.

But her breakdown and summary of their relationship to just sex and about a "good man" being made happy is revealing and the state of her relation with Raanav.

Neruda (I love you without knowing how etc) was maybe true during the infatuation period and like you said after the Naina fiasco and their breakup..fizzled out..or love was not allowed to grow. She married him and that was magnanimous on her part because of Satyen's health.and that she could not live with it if something happened to Satyen.

Anyway I do agree she is out of her element at the Parasher residence..otherwise the old Viveka would not have bragged to Sid that "she did not want cars and jewellery as a gift.and got philanthropist names from Satyen".

So going to family when things are breaking down in her life (ph.d rejection) makes sense..but not even once she has questioned Naina's comments/behavior. Be it about Abhishek or her sister constant need to know why she could marry Raanav? Or the foolhardiness/recklessness of a 28 year old.sexually active sister who uses her period cycle for contraception. Or talking about Inder's wealth or grandness of Parasher's residence --- wrong for a outsider to misunderstand that as a gold digger? She really is.not privy to what Raanav has heard/overheard about Naina

You're absolutely right about her not questioning Naina about her actions, behavior. I guess that's her prejudice acting, same like Raanav's in not really calling out his mother on certain things. But letting things just slide except for making some snarky comments. Viveka on the other hand is trying to smoothen things between her and Naina, instead of calling out Naina on the bull shit she has pulled. Time to take off the rose tinted glasses where her sister is concerned and see her for the adult she is, who has been selfish in the way she has acted, expecting understanding from others without offering the same in return. Raanav was not fully wrong in terming her selfish.

Originally posted by: canapoem

I still am not able to accept that Viv told Satyen's health and good sex were the reasons for her to marry Raanav.

So would she have married any other guy if that guy's father would have asked Viv to marry?

For instance her professors or her co-NGO sponsors, maybe they have sons too. Would Viv had married their sons if asked?

I really feel Viveka needs to sit and think about what Raanav means to her.

I love Viveka and I appreciate so much about her. I really don't want her to throw away her life like this.

Naina, Smrita etc etc, all come later on.

She should put herself, her dreams and her marriage above everyone and everything for now.

Naina is a grown woman, and she has to face the consequences of her actions. Viv should stop worrying about Naina and her relationship with her for now.

I'm still not sure why she said what she did. I don't think she would've married someone else in the same situation, the same way he wouldn't have married someone else. They did it because of what they shared, even though things had gone down the drain.

She really needs to leave Naina to her devices, and not treat her like an unruly child who needs to be humored.

Originally posted by: kizh72

You're absolutely right about her not questioning Naina about her actions, behavior. I guess that's her prejudice acting, same like Raanav's in not really calling out his mother on certain things. But letting things just slide except for making some snarky comments. Viveka on the other hand is trying to smoothen things between her and Naina, instead of calling out Naina on the bull shit she has pulled. Time to take off the rose tinted glasses where her sister is concerned and see her for the adult she is, who has been selfish in the way she has acted, expecting understanding from others without offering the same in return. Raanav was not fully wrong in terming her selfish.

None of us like Naina (modern,educated,older Lydia)..maybe Nisha will surprise us 😋

“We”

Nupur is fishing for information and not getting any from Viveka. Smrita as always trying to drive a wedge between Viveka and Raanav.

Satyen is hardly well himself but still remembers to look after Viveka.

Pro bono

Raanav is supposed to be a smart lawyer. Why does he not see what his mother is doing? That text by Smrita was out of line, but he is still not getting Viveka's point.

What will Raanav say to his aunt about Naina?