The Chasm: Semantic Possibilities - Page 7

Originally posted by: indranigupta

This is the chasm which I really believe that the lawyer will not be able to or even willing to bridge...he will just let this chasm be manifest in his life eternally...

As usual, J...your pithy statemnets elucidate what I couldnt do in a whole long essay...You are a marvel😆

Originally posted by: chicksoup

👏Wow, Indrani!

Beautiful!

The poem just so well describes Shravan and Suman...

The one dialogue that sounded odd to me- Sumo ne promise kiya hai ki shaaadi ke baad hum jo chahte hei woh kar sakte hai.

At first I wondered who was this hum?😕 Shravan and Suman?

But then it dawned on me- it was Suman Vs the Rest of the world...😉..with Shravan in it.😆 I found that a very cute statement. He was ganging up against her with her family.

And Suman agreed for this marriage, trusting her sixth sense that told her Shravan must still feel something for her. How true! Also how tragic that he would swear she was not the reason! Ramnath hinted on the same, but Suman's optimism refuses to take a beating. But the way he ditched her twice- once at the court and then at the bidaai- I wonder how unshaken that optimism still would be!

Interesting Chick...that is what it would seem, isn't it? She is cornered now...Yes that optimism would be tested, wouldn't it be? I would say about time too...there is a bubble she lives in. It causes her to put her relationship with Shravan on a low priority list but wanting best results nonetheless...becos she expects understanding from a man who is broken himself.

No rights and wrongs when it comes to analysing the two- when one does not exist without the other.

And here are the reasons I fell in love with this pair.

"You're beautiful, but you're empty...One couldn't die for you. Of course, an ordinary passerby would think my rose looked just like you. But my rose, all on her own, is more important than all of you together, since she's the one I've watered. Since she's the one I put under glass, since she's the one I sheltered behind the screen. Since she's the one for whom I killed the caterpillars (except the two or three butterflies). Since she's the one I listened to when she complained, or when she boasted, or even sometimes when she said nothing at all. Since she's my rose."

"You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed."

"It is the time you have wasted for your rose that makes your rose so important."

"In those days, I didn't understand anything. I should have judged her according to her actions, not her words. She perfumed my planet and lit up my life. I should never have run away! I ought to have realized the tenderness underlying her silly pretensions. Flowers are so contadictory! But I was too young to know how to love her."

"Of course, I love you,' the flower said to him. 'If you were not aware of it, it was my fault."

Antoine de Saint-Exupry, The Little Prince

@italicised Chick...absolutely the perfect extract to explain the conundrum facing this love story. In its imperfection...we can see the perfection. I remember once discussing this aspect with Indrani..about what should I call the "brittleness" (for want of a better word) of Shravan's love. It is a very interesting aspect really...He loved her as a teenager with all the sincerity he could muster but that love was tinged with bitterness towards the end causing him to view his entire experience with anger and sadness. He comes back in that frame of mind but his experiences from thereon embolden him to express his love for her...based on partly how he has started seeing Sumo anew, his own inability to stay away from her and also his understanding that Sumo loves in return. So, when Sumo gives him conflicting signals (or should I say...he reads them that way) he loses his well calculated composure and all the walls he had broken down come up again. I use the word "brittleness" not to belittle his love...i use the word to describe his perspective which is a result of his experiences and his inability to reorient his learning or vision. In contrast, Sumo's optimism and confidence in Shravan's love would appear an anomaly until we realise...Sumo has only that one life raft...Shravan... Her confidence in him comes from her experiences and her perspectives in life. She had only Shravan to confide in as a child, he was her kinght in shining armour...he promised her he would never let her all fall. So, even when she was desolate at Shravan's behaviour at the reunion, he has had her back since then always...never giving her too much reason to doubt her confidence in him...She has never realised that he was there for her...becos that is all he knows to do..sometimes in spite of himself. She has never realised that the one thing she never gave him was the only thing he craved for from her...her acknowledgement of his position in her life. His "brittleness" contrasted with her "nonchalance" 😆 Ek duje ke vaaste indeed...

This is what makes a love story perfect for me.

Originally posted by: nith125

This thread overwhelms me ❤️

@Indrani : Please write more often, or should I say please post what you write more often 😉

@Rekha : Quoting Gibran like that 👏 , you make me fall in love with your writing every single time. Of course, I admit I reread what you write 😳 not only because of my limited comprehension but also purely for the pleasure of reading such brilliant writing. I am lucky 😊

@JJKL : Take a bow ! You nailed it ! Semantic of the web, the curse of my life 😉

@chick : Need I say more after what you have quoted ?

Thank u Nith...i guess on behalf of all really...😆 we all have verbal diarrhoea

Actually I haven't read "The Little Prince" but had the pleasure of watching it because of my daughter and I was left dumbfounded. But chick, you connected that here 👏 love you for that 😊

There is something I liked to add though, a poem I remembered because @ShyNomad quoted one of Pablo's other works. It has a very Shravan feel to it.

"I do not love you except because I love you;

I go from loving to not loving you,

From waiting to not waiting for you

My heart moves from cold to fire.

I love you only because it's you the one I love;

I hate you deeply, and hating you

Bend to you, and the measure of my changing love for you

Is that I do not see you but love you blindly.

Maybe January light will consume

My heart with its cruel ray

Stealing my key to true calm.

In this part of the story I am the one who

Dies, the only one, and I will die of love because I love you,

Because I love you, Love, in fire and blood. "

- Pablo Neruda

Originally posted by: sanfan

Lovely post Chick...as usual!!

Originally posted by: sanfan

This really describes Shravan...doesn't it? lovely...Pyar ki paribhasha...makes you wonder..

Since we are quoting...i would like to quote Khalil Ghibran again...

"But if in your fear you would only seek love's peace and love's pleasure

Then it is better for you that you cover your nakedness and pass out of love's threshing-floor"

Originally posted by: chicksoup

Beautiful quotes, both of U!👏

This thread is becoming an amazing treasure trove!

In this part of the story I am the one who

Dies, the only one, and I will die of love because I love you,

Because I love you, Love, in fire and blood. "

Yes...I am the one who dies...Literally the 'I' Has to die...only then can love shine its rays and resurrect the 'us'.

The 'I' in both has to die...😳

Originally posted by: JJKKL

<font color="#000099" size="2">I read somewhere in this thread ( I think chick mentioned it) about Shravan's need to feel wanted by Sumo.

Maybe that is why he was more than eager to
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do all her work during school days.
rebuild her broken model throughout night.
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win Khosla case against his father's wishes years later
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sprain his leg (unconsciously) so that he can spend the day with her as per her wish
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Maybe that is why he keeps asking her what she wants.
Her wish is his command after all 😆</font>

Originally posted by: chicksoup

Sigh...Rekha,

It is impossible not to lend our hearts to both the lovers...

Brittleness...and Nonchalance.

I would like to add one more dimension to Suman's proviso- I'd call it Ignorance.

Ignorance of what Shravan's love is capable of.

As he himself said when he was confident his love was being reciprocated - he could love her like no one else. His love would overwhelm her. His love would put her over each and every other relationship in his life...If only Suman knew the depths of this guy's love and the special pedestal on which he has kept her and his love for her, she wouldn't waste any time acknowledging the honour he has bestowed on her.

Instead, she belittles her importance...rates herself far below his parents...Is it because she herself is an orphan that she is blind to who she is, for him!

Nonchalance...born out of ignorance... the word(s) I was looking for...I wanted to write only incomprehension at first, but I thot...its not that she is not privy..As you rightly said, .its her putting her so low on the priority list of Shravan that is the real thing...

How else could she tell Ramnath that she had worried for Shravan too when he went missing- not equally as the father- a little less, probably!!! A little less?!!

A little less? How dare she underestimate what she felt for Shravan! And what Shravan felt for her!

I missed this dialogue...Chick in that exchange...I can see where she comes from...As an orphan, she has learnt that families only stick for their own..everyone else comes second. even love... I can now actually see a different interpretation emerging from that exchange. If you go back to the father missing and Shravan completely losing his composure, it must have had deep impact on Sumo too...

This is where I proceed to call Suman Tiwari the biggest idiot Love has come across.

...A cute and lovable idiot who is the cause of all of Shravan's frustrations! 😆

LOL...Actually I remembered in one of my exchanges with Red, where I was asking for a certain perspective on Sumo's actions during the PCT Aditya phase..Red said one very interesting thing..., you need perspective to see Sumo, not great writing or directing or even acting...I agree...One must be ready to accept a flawed character's way of loving. Her character is placed in such a subtle way that if u miss nuances, you will end up not understanding where she comes from (or where the writer comes from...the writing can be more specific but that would take away the charm from the story telling). I really started getting Sumo from a scene where she sends a text to Shravan after he has blasted her on the Shivam text she sent him earlier. He blasts her.."U do all this so that I should miss u"...The sheer incredulity this girl exhibits after that exchange...After that fiery exchange, one would think that she would have reflected on the state of their relationship but all this madcap broken insecure girl reflects is "Does he miss me?" It broke my heart... @underlined...that she is!!😆😆