The Chasm: Semantic Possibilities

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Hello All!

Missed me...What you didn't...Bad ...Naughty people..Seems like tedha Shravan entered all your bodies and corrupted your system..Well! even if you didn't miss me...I am here to bore you...you see, his tedhaness has infiltrated my very mind (Ask Anu and Roshni)...and as such, it finds expression in writing this post... invariably to make you all go mad😆😆😆

However, a cautious warning ...am not sure if I can cogently and coherently present what I felt in the last two episodes (Friday and yesterday's one)...Yet, try I will ...Hopefully, I make some sense..

Would like to point out that both Friday and yesterday's (Tuesday) episode were connected to each other...in the way words were used and hence, I shall start with my two cents from the Friday episode.. Words have a way to signify both time and space.. Words can suggest the past and the future as well as embody the present moment...Words give shape to a space, it does cover distances as well as propose the gaps to be filled...to be traversed... Friday's episode was pregnant with semantic possibilities...and the power of words to shape our world, to construct it

Shravan had taken the most important decision of his life ...a decision which he has lived with, felt it in these last ten years...he had said yes to a marriage with his Sumo...and yet, he was broken, disillusioned and almost driven to despair... Trying to drink away his pain... desperately attempting to find sense in the chaotic world of which he was a miniscule atom... He wanted to negate the reasons for which he was marrying Sumo...wanted to consciously reason it as because of his father's promise to Nanu...yet, a son whose father was everything...why didn't he feel the joy of doing something for him...Why? Because here was a man who was marrying the girl of his choice, of his dreams and yet, could not spell it out as love... His love could not be defined as such...it could not be given a name...but could only be verbalized in terms of duty and responsibility towards his father...His love was being crippled by terms where equal partnership was merely an illusion...Love here was a choice denied...He wanted to marry Sumo because he loved her...a conscious choice on his part... Not where, the choices though it leads to the same purpose categorically negates it as a choice...Shravan read Sumo as saying yes to the marriage not merely because he was the alternative choice but rather, he was the only available option/choice... He was chosen by a Nanu or Sumo because there was a need by her family to dispense her to anyone that comes along... A man who is driven to despair and disillusionment nevertheless feels the need to ensure his father that his marriage will not fail. Why does he bother about it failing or not? Its another matter that his father already feels he is doomed.

Shravan says he will not let Sumo to become a Nirmala...and this is where I say that the words begin to suggest more than what is being articulated...Meaning as of now, in the present moment Shravan still considers Sumo as different from a Nirmala. There is a huge chasm between the girl he loves (now unconsciously felt) and is marrying (as he wants to believe because of his father) and the persona of his absent and yet ever present figure of his mother. In his stated words he proposes that he shall ask her to forgo her ambition and her self-respect because he does not want her to be like his mother. His mother who left him as he has understood over the years because she chose ambition over her family...the mother who for him, is representative of a persona whose choices have had huge repercussions on those left behind. However, between the figure of Sumo and Nirmala is a huge gap, a divide which he wants to sustain...so, that his Sumo never leaves him. Sumo is not like Nirmala and he wishes to maintain this binary divide between the two...And for that chasm to be maintained he would do anything...so that his marriage works out...

What he fails to understand is that his father asked her to toe a line, to follow his regressive thinking...Superficially, this also seems to be Shravan's attitude, yet...I see it as a ray of hope.. as even in his drunken state and when he is almost oblivious to any and everyone's pain.. this man is able to see that Sumo is still not working under someone's shadow... Further, toeing the line masks his fear that she may leave him...as Nirmala left his father... This cynical man still believes ...fast diminishing ...yes...but, still there.. that his Sumo is creator of her own stories...❤️

Ironic... One can see this train of thought mirrored in Sumo's optimism ...she is willing to work, to make her marriage a success...because she believes even though there are many differences between Shravan and her...the love tangentially still holds or flows. Her viewpoint is positive...though they have several misunderstandings between them ...yet, there is an unseen, invisible connection between them... not yet spelled out but felt...Love..😳

She believes this marriage will work and she will make it work... How did she manage to find so much belief in her love for him? Keeping in mind the circumstances...she should have given up on him ...if not moved on...What made her believe as E. E. Cummings said:

love is more thicker than forget...

it is most sane and sunly

and more it cannot die

than all the sky which only

is higher than the sky

Her hope is made possible by the fact, that it is a hope invested not only in her personality but in the person to whom she is marrying.. Why do I say it? Ten years before they had a fall-out..and Sumo waited for him to come back...he did...❤️

One can see this semantic possibility further ...in Ramnath's threat to Sumo...to let him know what were her plans to ensnare Shravan? Was Ramnath scared? Why was he so interested in knowing those so-called plans? Anyways, the word plan is interesting...we know neither Sumo nor Shravan had planned...neither had Nanu...yet, as Sumo said... Shravan jo mujhse nafrat karta hain aur mujhe respect nahin karta...sochiye woh kitna desperate hoga mujhse shaadi karne ke liye" -😎 That is the crux...Shravan was desperate to marry Sumo?

Shravan used one open window of guru dakshina to make Sumo his own...it may not be consciously felt...or reasoned... but, nevertheless, it was not to be a good son that Shravan was marrying Sumo. Had he been a good son, he shouldnt have ever married her...as he knew his father believed she was an exact replica of the woman who had abandoned them. The last semantic possibility that was there in the Friday's episode was Shravan saying it did not matter who he married...the result would have been the same...he would have still been broken. My question why? Only Sumo and Nirmala had wronged him...why blame the other nameless women out there in the world...

The results would have been the same only because these were the two women whose loss he felt so strongly...

One can see that chasm in his sense of loss as against Sumo's sense of hope...

In both ways, you feel so strongly because the love itself was the most powerful semantic thread... He loved her and he believed he has lost her...hence, the rage, the conflict...

She loved him and hence the optimism...she will win him again...In both accounts...the belief is not in oneself but invested in the other...❤️

Coming to yesterday's episode...Many have discussed as to who is right and who is wrong...Am not going to discuss that...As I am concerned with words and how words not only mean what it says but also what is unsaid...what is implied...

The lines ...Pati_patni...😆

Remarkable...as much this dialogue was irreverent, mocking, sneering at Sumo's self-respect...

This dialogue opened up a world-view which is prevalent about language today...Language is understood by theorists (poststructuralists) as a system of signs...Where meaning is evolved as being a part of that system...So, if one were to ask how to define phoneme "A"...the answer is A is what B is not...A in itself has no identity, no intrinsic self...it can only be understood in terms of relationships...Shravan may sign all the papers in the world... He may become the husband...but, as he impudently mentioned...he needs her to sign on the papers as the wife... for him to become a hubby...A relation...where both work together... but, more so it brings to mind Daboo's eternal query? Kya aap Suman didi ke Shravan ho? He replied no...paradoxically, yesterday...he redefined himself without comprehending that those words manifested not the chasm...but distances traversed... Shravan cannot be what he wishes to be without Sumo...

And Sumo...who was hurt beyond measure by this suave but cynic and manipulative man...did not refuse to let him be that hubby...

Ten years before...a friendship started because of a challenge ...can you complete this puzzle of a cube...in one a half minutes...Someone had rose to that challenge...Yesterday, it was the other half who did not hold back ...and took the plunge...to answer Kaun Sumo? The girl who loved...😳

There is another powerful dialogue in yesterday's episode...you can easily marry, but you have to live with it and you cannot come out of it as easily...as much as this reflected a foreboding of things to come...it also reflected of a man torn...between his desires and the collapse of those desires...

There are other aspects to it...which I shall leave for Rekha (Sanfan) to explain (she is the best person to explain it😳)...

I know I have bored you all long enough...But before I sign off...a small poem by Christiana Rossetti...which speaks very well for SS...

I loved you first: but afterwards your love

Outsoaring mine, sang such a loftier song

As drowned the friendly cooings of my dove.

Which owes the other most? my love was long,

And yours one moment seemed to wax more strong;

I loved and guessed at you, you construed me

And loved me for what might or might not be -

Nay, weights and measures do us both a wrong.

For verily love knows not mine' or thine;'

With separate I' and thou' free love has done,

For one is both and both are one in love:

Rich love knows nought of thine that is not mine;'

Both have the strength and both the length thereof,

Both of us, of the love which makes us one.

If you have managed to read this post...and found some meaning in it...do leave your responses as well...😃😃


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Kavila thumbnail
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Posted: 9 years ago
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RES.

Baba go it wilo take time ..indrani.

But u are a creator gosh..

Will be back on it..

Btw latest news adi kidnap shravan.. God i am still laughing god the way goons were finding it hard to mange 6 feet ka kambha god.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Indrani 👏 was this what you were keeping from us ?
Brilliantly written 👏 👏
And I agree with you completely. After I watched the episode, I must say the Pati-Patni dialogue stood out. And yes he will not let her become Nirmala and neither will she let Shravan remain this way.
I am borrowing from my own post about Snakes and ladders to add to this point where I had rambled on how some of the inanimate things have had a significant role to play.

Daal : The ubiquitous daal, snake to ladder. Intially it created a small problem between them but in the end it is symbolic of their relationship. Remember what Shravan says, that Sumo is special to him and he doesn't think of her like the other women, but the important line comes after that, he asks her to add something (her love) in the daal , to make it hers and then he will eat it. He will never accept Nirmala and Sumo has the same qualities but her love makes a big difference to him and his love will transform her.


Hats off to you girl !
Edited by nith125 - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Oh man..😆

Res...

Hope I can fill up something here later. Will need to read your post atleast five times to get it.

Unres ...

Are you my English professor in disguise? Don't mind my lousy reading comprehension please. 😆

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My 2 paisa,
Spoken words follow the rules of scrabble. The weight of each word depends on the words that come below it. That is why I cringe every time I hear Shravan speak. Once the poisonous word arrows are let go they cannot be recalled.

I agree with you to a great extent. Poor Shravan, he was hunting for a reasonable reason to marry her. And he found the flimsiest see through reason to do what he always wanted to do. 😆

In fact I think part of the reason he finds Sumo irresistible is because she has always been elusive and forbidden. She is a big mess of different colors that he can 'sort out' like his very own rubiks cube. His dad not liking Suman has made it all the more challenging for him.

Over the coming weeks he will overwork his brains to make sure she is chasing her own tail. The fact that she will fight him tooth and nail will make it all the more delightful for him.

He has married her because he never plans to let her go again. He will do anything to make this all work. Because he has never believed that she has been like Nirmala. His only worry is that his father will think she is like Nirmala due to her behavior.

That is why he is telling his dad(in his mind of course)

'She might be what you think she is. But again she won't be.
I will never let her be what you don't want her to be.
Because she is so totally NOT in the first place!
I will present her in a nice even light by shuffling things.
I will create the image of her comeliness through my own devices.'

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Edited by glassdoor - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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UNRES

I'm so glad that we were able to persuade you into writing this piece on semantics, Indrani! As you well know, I had been struggling with the reasons for Shravan to accept the marriage. Reading this, I begin to see how the marriage is really Shravan's choice, his desire - a reality that he doesn't want to accept, and is desperate to hide under the glare of a rude and uncaring exterior.

His despair and disillusionment now makes all the more sense. Imagine having to "find" reasons to get married to the person you have been hopelessly in love with for the better part of your wise years. And even then while you find your reason, you do so with a heart shattered by the belief (however mistaken here) that he was just a compromise for her. She was NOT choosing him.

We have heard Sumo say that she is going to do whatever it takes to make the marriage work. And Shravan's promise to his Dad that Sumo will not walk the Nirmala route also portends that he will also do all it takes to make sure their marriage doesn't break. Their paths might be different - Sumo's more positive, while Shravan's seems more cave-man-ish. (Make her toe the line? Yeah right! She'll have you eating out of her hand with just a few smiles, IF she decides to get cute with you. But with Sumo, you never know what gets her back up! Anyway, totally digressing here! 😆) So while their paths might seem different, their goal is really the same - not letting go of each other.

Quoting Indrani:

Ten years before...a friendship started because of a challenge ...can you complete this puzzle of a cube...in one a half minutes...Someone had rose to that challenge...Yesterday, it was the other half who did not hold back ...and took the plunge...to answer Kaun Sumo? The girl who loved...

I said this in a post somewhere that Shravan Sassy Malhotra yesterday was very smug in the belief that he made Sumo toe his line, bend to his will. It'll take some time, but he'll realize soon enough that she really signed for one reason and one reason only - her love for him and the faith that she has in him. Nothing else would have induced his Sumo to sign on the dotted line yesterday. Once he gets that... 😃

You know, it sounds so simple when you guys - you, Rekha, and Glassdoor - explain it. J You guys gave me one big DUH! Moment today - thank you!

Edited by an_chau - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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This is just a master piece

U slayed it again..

And Pati Patni.. Itself ..stablished the foundation of a journey.

Journey to become one.

Journey to discover each other.

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Res.
Indrani,
You posted this finally... Yayy!!!
Let me read it n I will come back to unres this...😉
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@indrani - come, let me give you a very tight hug! the way you have explained the nuances - is for the keeps! so many Aha! moments i had reading the post!
Shravan - desperate to marry sumo - in the garb of being a good son and unknowingly so (the garb that is)- chose to marry sumo - when he should have done the exact opposite - Ah! of course!

Sumo - the girl who once made a choice to include Shravan as her friend in the garb of acccepting a challenge she never attempted to solve - chose to make this new Shravan her life partner, again accepting a challenge and making a choice - when she could have easily done the opposite - Ah! the beauty of this parallel!

Shravan - the boy who always wanted to shadow his Sumo and was practically incomplete without her - finally said it himself, albeit unknowingly - that he cannot play his part as a husband without her being the wife - it takes two to tango after all - Of course!

Sumo - the girl who could not find any happiness in marrying an apparently happy-go-lucky aditya suddenly found unbridled happiness in marrying a Shravan - one that is grim and apparently hates her - and she does not know the reason in her beleief, a belief that sounds utterly ridiculous - but as she said she feels deep down as if everything if finally falling in to place - Ah! if this is not love - blind and unreasonable and very very stubborn - then what is!

the way Shravan and Sumo keeps getting intertwined with each other without even realizing it is pure love. The way they are attracted to each other to a very deep core - much much beyond any physical connect, is pure love.The way they admit being incomplete without each other and don;t even realize that they are admitting it, is pure love.

And Ramnath is scared. If he had been scared of Nirmala his entire lifetime (so much so that he fears even her shadow), he rightfully should be damn scared of Sumo. because unlike Nirmala, she is going nowhere. Here is a girl whose love and belief in her love is so strong that she waited for a decade around the corner for her love to return - with no expectations. She is here to stay and sweep her man off his feet.

Indrani - the way you understand and the way you write - is pure love darling! ❤️
Edited by QUIRKY333 - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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👏🤗 For this post indrani.what a lovely post!!! I'm hating shravan right now in the show but I love him to death and absolutely love post expos shravan pov. I'm able to get him but not express it so thanks for this post. Must I say you are beyond excellence. Why are you not the cv??
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Apt that your title is The chasm...which is indeed indicative of the distance in the relationship...

will come back to post


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