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Posted: 9 years ago
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Well personally I don't think anything in life is unforgivable, provided their is repentance and honest effort to seek forgiveness. Sumo did somethings, Shravan retaliated, she upped the ante and then Shravan did the most unforgivable thing. It's always very easy to walk out of a relationship, much harder to see if you can make it work when things go dramatically wrong. For me Shravan was selfish and did not think about consequences of his actions, but then Sumo did not either when she agreed to marry Adi, I think sometimes we carry the feminist narrative too far. I'm not justifying what Shravan did here, it was crap and petty but in no way either comparable to what Adi did not unforgivable. If he was to truly repent and Sumo was to forgive him, they would come out as a stronger couple. For me love counts for a lot, becoz it is so rare- most relationships today are comprises. So if u find your soulmate u should try your best to salvage the bond, forgive where possible and build on ashes. But that's just me- I constantly have problems with ppl in all forums, saying girl should move on, guy should move on. In this, I understand though don't condone Shravan's behaviour, but I think his essential character can be redeemed and yes 'redeemed' by his own repentance, Sumo's support and things falling into place in his life. Life is not always black or white.

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: glassdoor

Lovely post! I had never thought of it all this way. Extremely forward thinking.

I enjoyed the comments here more than show which I confess I stopped watching a while ago. Great views here.

But the makers of the show. I don't know if I can credit with such deep thoughtful analysis.
They cannot avoid all landmines because they are right now in a quagmire! Grey characters are really tough to handle and they have messed it up with too much conflict.

Currently I think they have compartmentalized shra reactions.. The guilt and redemption are postponed to a later convenient date 😆


Frankly...I don't know if the Cvs think this way...Its for my sanity that I think this way...😆😆

I wanted to see these two walk into the sunset hand in hand...a story of teenage love growing into a mature love..

Yes, quagmire...u said it...The other issue is also that since they have picked an issue that people see and react with a varying set of sensibilities, it is difficult to ensure that all the people on this journey can remain on the same latitude...



Edited by sanfan - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: beagleboy

@ sanfan -

What I object to is this 'need' to redeem him. I see no justification here. He made a mistake and he has to bear its burden now - by letting go of Suman, because no woman in her right mind would choose him. Sometimes, mistakes we make cost us people and things we hold dear. In life, we don't get second chances and even second chances come with caveats. So I would like to their diplomatic stand oft continue. He has acted irrationally upon his visceral pique and has punished her enough. It's time to move on.


Redemption is an overrated concept in the TV land..
Its a bit sad that in the story of these two individuals...the pettiness of the one who yearned for love all his life has now to pay the price for the silence and overconfidence of the one who assumed that the steadfast love will sail thru all stormy weather and the high seas...yeah pettiness sounds worse than overconfidence so lets beat that to the ground...


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Posted: 9 years ago
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Great post SanFan really you explained well Very glad they didn't show their conversion on shravan mind .. but ya I'm waiting wen he ll think abt it means which exact moment.

this threat make good my boring weekend
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: tingding

Well personally I don't think anything in life is unforgivable, provided their is repentance and honest effort to seek forgiveness. Sumo did somethings, Shravan retaliated, she upped the ante and then Shravan did the most unforgivable thing. It's always very easy to walk out of a relationship, much harder to see if you can make it work when things go dramatically wrong. For me Shravan was selfish and did not think about consequences of his actions, but then Sumo did not either when she agreed to marry Adi, I think sometimes we carry the feminist narrative too far. I'm not justifying what Shravan did here, it was crap and petty but in no way either comparable to what Adi did not unforgivable. If he was to truly repent and Sumo was to forgive him, they would come out as a stronger couple. For me love counts for a lot, becoz it is so rare- most relationships today are comprises. So if u find your soulmate u should try your best to salvage the bond, forgive where possible and build on ashes. But that's just me- I constantly have problems with ppl in all forums, saying girl should move on, guy should move on. In this, I understand though don't condone Shravan's behaviour, but I think his essential character can be redeemed and yes 'redeemed' by his own repentance, Sumo's support and things falling into place in his life. Life is not always black or white.



There is a small line that divides forgive and forget. To forgive is easy, to forget is impossibly difficult. Even if one overlooks, the minute something goes wrong, the mind wanders to that little corner where it is tucked away in the guise of an ugly memory. So, while love may conquer all, and perhaps I am a deeply cynical person, often things don't workout the way you want them to. Once the fabric of trust is broken, there will be telltale signs no matter how well you sew it. And trust and respect is as important, or perhaps more, in a relationship. No amount of love will stand the test of time if there is no respect or trust, and how can you respect and trust a person who has used you in ssuch a vile manner? I'm sorry but if Shravan did really love SumAn, this transgression would not have happened:)))) Woman aside, notions of feminism aside, as a person, I think Suman's rights were violated. She may be able to forgive but perhaps she will never forget.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: sanfan


<font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Redemption is an overratedconcept in the TV land..</font>
<font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Its a bit sad that in the story of these two individuals...the pettiness of the one who yearned for love all his life has now to pay the price for the silence and overconfidence of the one who assumed that the steadfast love will sail thru all stormy weather and the high seas...yeah pettiness sounds worse than overconfidence so lets beat that to the ground...</font>




Word. What is the need to redeem him? Absolutely no need. He shouldn't be either. Suman is better off being alone and I made a post about it too. Honestly I think their so called friendship is beyond repair.

But real life is not logical and analytical. Girls compromise on their identity and dignity all the time due to their low self esteem and familial pressures. I don't see Suman being any different. But I have some hopes that marriage is not the answer to this mess.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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There is a small line that divides forgive and forget. To forget is easy, to forget is impossibly difficult. Even if one overlooks, the minute something goes wrong, the mind wanders to that little corner where it is tucked away in the guise of an ugly memory. So, while love may conquer all, and perhaps I am a deeply cynical person, often things don't workout the way you want them to. Once the fabric of trust is broken, there will be telltale signs no matter how well you sew it. And trust and respect is as important, or perhaps more, in a relationship. No amount of love will stand the test of time if there is no respect or trust, and how can you respect and trust a person who has used you in ssuch a vile manner? I'm sorry but if Shravan did really love SumAn, this transgression would not have happened:)))) Woman aside, notions of feminism aside, as a person, I think Suman's rights were violated. She may be able to forgive but perhaps she will never forget.


Absolutely...which is why...one should go the dark route only if u don't care for the return...
Here the return has been jeopardised...The CVs have messed it up for people like us who care too much about the intention...and basically looked at this as story with complexities but not in the nature of the ones facing us...Tuf luck...😊
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: sanfan


Absolutely...which is why...one should go the dark route only if u don't care for the return...
Here the return has been jeopardised...The CVs have messed it up for people like us who care too much about the intention...and basically looked at this as story with complexities but not in the nature of the ones facing us...Tuf luck...😊


Rekha,

But why do we have to think the dark route?

She is the one who feels he would never forgive her...that he would never be able to trust her again...

So how would she react in a situation like this?

It is not about the pettiness of one and the silence of the other, IMO...and redemption doesn't have to be a punishment either...

In all this, it is enough that if she suffers, he suffers more...and if he suffers, she'd suffer more.

Let them be open to this knowledge once and for all...The suffering would be shared.

Also,
WRT Aditya- I was not basing my views on where his future might lie...but wishing he had been answered the one last time he had asked Shravan...Any secrets t o share?- Too bad it had to sound like a challenge...when the guy was at his wit's end...I will leave him there...and we will see where the script takes him.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Okay I would not like to butt into discussions that dont involve me but frankly I feel If we are talking about Shravan's 'awareness' of the implications his action would bring on Sumo's life all through the time he went in the bachelor party, spit that venom and returned back, then we also need to access the situations that caused him to get instigated to that extent. As far as I remember he was pretty much in his usual mode till mamiji asked him to keep the gifts in Sumo's room. Yes the mehendi thing irked him but he was back to normal pretty soon. Even looking at his and Sumo's childhood pic in her room didn't inflict any anger in him but only pain and helplessness. He did want to get rid of her from his life but did not intend to take any revenge from her or hurt her in any way. His sole motive was to get rid of the hurt her presence and his existence being stuck to her brought to him.

It was only when he saw that how his own mother was so blind to his pain and she rather favored her other son against him, it made him go baffled. From that particular moment, ALL that had been on his mind was to somehow do something totally contrasting to what his so called mother wanted him to do (for her other son ofcourse) and thereby cause excruciating pain to her and her son. At that particular moment ALL that over-powered him was his hurt, his thirst to avenge for the pain his mother and her useless son caused upon him.

And the fact that after returning from home he thought about the impact of his words on Sumo's life is an indication that he had been pondering over that possibility ever since he said those words to Aditya. Ever since he left the bachelors party the concern for Sumo did somehow grip his sub-conscious mind but probably his hurt and his resolve to cause similar amount of pain on his mother as she caused on him, made the gravity of that thought not touch him. And he rubbished it saying why should I care for Sumo when all she has given me is hurt. At that point for him, causing pain to his mother somehow became much more important than caring for any person in the world. Irrespective of the fact that his being, his inner self, his soul did tell him to think for Sumo but he silenced that whisper under the noise of the betrayal he felt at his mothers hand.

But again the fear and the concern for Sumo's married life didn't leave him...which was pretty evident when nanu teased him for being sad due to his best friend leaving forever. There was sheer guilt in his eyes because down there he very well knew that he had betrayed her friendship... and brutally so. His guilt and concern for her was there all along, even the thought of the danger that his act could bring on Sumo, just that he didn't let that thought turn into fear and over-power his hatred because at that moment anything that would have over-powered his hatred would have weakened him and made him transform into the earlier Shravan - The weak, the innocent, the victimized Shravan - Which he could never let happen!




Edited by Malika - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: beagleboy


There is also this issue of marriage. Oh! Such a sore topic with me (sorry Poppins!). Why should any man feel obliged to marry a woman? That is just wrong. 'She will do just fine without him by her side, thank you!'. What I want is the disestablishment of antiquated norms of chastity and marriage. But this a cultural quagmire in Eastern societies where people kill women in order to protect honour.

I ask, What is the honour of a woman and how is it different from the honour of a person? How does society define it?


Hey beagle, agree to what you say through and through. This country sure has changed... But it has a long way forward. The only way forward is education and financial independence.

Back to the show, The only difference I have is between real vs reel. Most of us would be mad to choose either men in real life.

Given that this is a show with the bold and beautiful leads. We are like 7th khoon maaf.

Get them married if you want but... Please, will you give us romance Atleast now cvs 😉


Edited by poppinss - 9 years ago

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