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Posted: 9 years ago
#31

Originally posted by: beauty14


This incident is not being seen by factoring age out. The incident itself is so impactful because it took place at such a vulnerable point in Shravan's life, where he had just learned that his mother had left and then to be ridiculed and humiliated by the one person he considered worthy of his pain, that was traumatizing.

And my point in the post in relevance to age is that we cannot undermine Shravan's suffering because of his "age", he was deeply affected by these turn of his events and rightfully should feel so because he as a person was humiliated and degraded in the eyes of a person he cared for so deeply. And we cannot also dismiss Suman's actions just because she was a "child woman", no, she was fully conscious and aware of what she was saying. She knew it would hurt him, but never realized what extent to which it would hurt him which is extremely insensitive and selfish on her part.

And at her age, she must be held accountable for her actions. Being a teenager myself, I find myself knowing the difference between right and wrong. And if I were put in this situation or found that another person was in this situation, I would hold Suman accountable because she DID understand that what she was doing was wrong and was only worried about maintaining a "reputation" that meant more to her than her supposed "friend's" emotions.

Okay for the sake of simplicity legs list down what suman did wrong
1.she refused to accept Sravan as a friend is public
2.she made him do her homework
3.she gave this.dependenable friend the impression that she was his friend too
4.she listened to his issues as per her convenience
5.when he was in his worst possible issue ,she refused to acknowledge him as a friend ,that led to the school Callibg hin names
1-insensitve
2-childish /selfish
3-not.sure
4-sidelining issues without understanding the intensity of issues
5- this was rude and insensitive ,but again I doubt whether she realized if that day was different

Now in my opinion none of this is right ,or the right thing for a 'teen ' to do , I agree that she was insensitive self centred adn selfish in her 'teens' ,but my issue is ,has the crime and punishment been proportionate


Now let me list down sravan's mistakes
1faked a romantic angle
2gifted her a gift and created a situation to convince people believe she is a gold digger
3,reminded her of her aukat in public in front of people who were her friends (she did have a very colourful school life)
4.came to her to see her cry and made her aware of why she deserved to be treated like that

I don't think it's proportionate and why I feel so is cos of the difference in phase in life


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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: poppinss


Exactly ttt1, I do not know if I got all those 't's 😊. Sumo cannot be judged without taking her age into account.

One more point that I would like to add is... young people are impulsive and Sumo sure was very impulsive. At that point she took an spur of the moment wrong call to do what she did.

But the gravity of her mistake would have descended on her immediately after. Sumo herself knows what she did was terrible and we have seen that she has been living with that guilt, since Shravan left.

I guess CVs would be showing that today.


It's don't really mean anything ,when I made the ID I never thought I would comment on any.post:)
But some shows are interesting to debate upon !!
Yeah I.think.the.story is.the gravity of.incident made.her repend.the way she treated.her dependable.friend ,and that chaged her as a person for good
Sravan the incident seem to.have a.reverse impact on him. But again my point is its not.a friend betrayal alone that led to his misery ,its much.more.than that she was a part of that ,so attribute ing her fully responsible.is.wrong ,thats why I feel the revenge was a bit of an over do
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Posted: 9 years ago
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I totally agree with you after the episode my heart went out for shravan and I can feel his pain, and the hurt he suffer last 10 years even can't forgotten the insult in his full life at least I feel the way..

sumo not at all a bachpana
to keep our image one can't insult someone like that.. that too talking their private and sensitive matters are not are bachbana she not so little girl at all even now a days kids too behave so maturity than her..
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Posted: 9 years ago
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very nice post!😊 you said it all!
I can understand why Shravan didnt forgive Suman even after she said sorry to him..bcoz her sorry was not heartfelt..she still didnt understand the gravity of his pain and suffering and the state of his mind back in school.. it was a casual sorry from her side!
the story is very realistic.. this is how many friendships break in real life!
but the difference is here Shravan had feelings for Suman(maybe still has).. so their story does not end here!
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: ttt1

Okay for the sake of simplicity legs list down what suman did wrong
1.she refused to accept Sravan as a friend is public
2.she made him do her homework
3.she gave this.dependenable friend the impression that she was his friend too
4.she listened to his issues as per her convenience
5.when he was in his worst possible issue ,she refused to acknowledge him as a friend ,that led to the school Callibg hin names
1-insensitve
2-childish /selfish
3-not.sure
4-sidelining issues without understanding the intensity of issues
5- this was rude and insensitive ,but again I doubt whether she realized if that day was different

Now in my opinion none of this is right ,or the right thing for a 'teen ' to do , I agree that she was insensitive self centred adn selfish in her 'teens' ,but my issue is ,has the crime and punishment been proportionate


Now let me list down sravan's mistakes
1faked a romantic angle
2gifted her a gift and created a situation to convince people believe she is a gold digger
3,reminded her of her aukat in public in front of people who were her friends (she did have a very colourful school life)
4.came to her to see her cry and made her aware of why she deserved to be treated like that

I don't think it's proportionate and why I feel so is cos of the difference in phase in life



I slept at around 4-4:30 am because of our discussions yesterday, but totally worth it. Kind of busy right now but I'll just address this one point while I'm here. Oh and ttt1 don't worry, I wasn't offended. This is a matter of a difference of opinions, and we're having a healthy respectful discourse, don't worry! 😃

Now coming to your point, for Suman's #5, again this is where we're going to have that difference again, I don't think its a valid argument to say she didn't realize that her rudeness and insensitivity that day had crossed a certain line. Additionally there are a few points I think you forgot, and these were the faults of the Suman of today, so the "bachpana"/"teenage years" card especially won't apply:

6.) Not visibly showing Shravan any significant regret or remorse for what happened. And on top of that claiming to him that woh koi "itni bhi badi baat nahi thi."

7.) Blaming him for running away and being a "bhagoda" after that despicable event. You can't blame someone for having that sort of reaction to that level of humiliation.

Now coming to Shravan, I believe the points & interpretations listed are far from what I believe the writers were going for. Many have discussed this in detail in other posts, and I'm kind of running out of time 😆 so I'll just quickly go over them, and I probably won't be back to reply. But long story short, his revenge was more of Shravan throwing Suman's words back at her than anything else.

1faked a romantic angle

1. I think it was more of faking a I'm-still-your-friend angle that she interpreted in another way. Though I won't deny that Shravan was probably aware of the way she was interpreting it, so I believe his mistakes here are false-kindness and lack of clarification more so than "faking a romantic angle" which encompasses a lot more. Keep in mind these are still mistakes, I'm just presenting what I believe the CVs were going for.

2gifted her a gift and created a situation to convince people believe she is a gold digger

2. The gift had more to do with having her and Urvashi wear the same dress, and to make it seem like she was making up the story of him gifting it to her/them knowing each other/him being her date. It was more about him giving a taste of her own medicine, throwing the very reasons she cited for not being seen with him in public, back at her (now that she is claiming that they are childhood friends, etc.). Same with the gold-digger comment, he said she now wants to associate with him "because he's successful and rich" and it'll be good for her "status and image" again throwing HER words back at her, making that whole point more about showing her a mirror and less about making any claims about her being a gold-digger. If he wanted to call her a gold digger, he could've left it at "she wants to associate with me because I'm successful and rich"--the image/status/reputation comment would've been unnecessary and excessive. So the fact that he consciously included that part indicates that the whole point of that statement was to call her out on the importance she gives to image, reputation, and status and less about her being a gold-digger.

3,reminded her of her aukat in public in front of people who were her friends (she did have a very colourful school life)

3. Forgive me but I don't remember him making ant specific comments on her aukat. And yes he humiliated her in public in front of her school-friends but that was kind of the point.

4.came to her to see her cry and made her aware of why she deserved to be treated like that

4. He came to tell her why he did this. To tell her that he wanted was her to understand his pain, "which one can only do when they get hurt themselves." To make her realize her stupidity, "which one can only do when they see others do it." To give her some closure.

Now was this proper retribution or not, I'll leave that for you to decide for yourself as I believe one's opinion is one's own call. But I would certainly like to say that now, by looking into Shravan's actions with the same depth you chose to look at Suman's actions, certainly puts things into perspective.

Cheers,

Kriti

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Posted: 9 years ago
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^^^ kirti
Let's discuss this some other time when you have time :-)
I am.on a vacation for the next 1month so I have a lot.of time

Long story short ,what you have written is a meticulous planning from a 26 year old successful lawyer to avenge a teenage bully 10 years later ,so basically if you see suman from sravan's eyes ,Sravan from suman's eye or a third person our biases are going to come in ,and its going to be a different story every time ,10 people 10/interpretation and partly I will give credit to the writers and partly to the theme being open because these are grey areas
like you and I :) different way of looking at the same incident

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Well said👏
dont know about who is right or who is wrong because lets forget about...Freindship lets see two different humans ok so What sumo did with shravan was totally insane...matlab hum to ek poyase ko bhi pyani pilatey hai ..that called Humanityyy man...and what young sumo did11
human are bound to make mistake and learnt from it..but whatever ...the matter for me Sumo was tooo Rude at the moment...

ok chalo man lete he she was mad and was busy in taking the class of fellow juniour..

but...Come on girl where goes humanity.no maater How much SHe endulged in peer pressure...but suo was 16 for god sake not 10 ...so

No maater what...Sumo today is a different person and halat had amde her too...and that would be ..intresting to watch...😊

But she should have been little...careful at least for humanity sake.

Too much rudnesss Young sumooo ...😡acceptace is dur ki baat when shravan fell she should have adviced her freind to stop and concentrate on the work they are doing no instead she just stand like a statue.

I love present sumo but i just cant tolerate the young sumo no ways...

NO maater how much sumo changed nto Suman but Whereee the Humanityyy gone Younggg Sumo????????

NOTE-------Humanity in the sence for that particular...shravan-sumo ...scene thats it
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Posted: 9 years ago
#38
Fantastic post. I agree with you absolutely. And sad part is even after all this Suman still doesnt understand that she was wrong. Not sure how the CVs r planning 2 redeem her character or will they even redeem her
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Posted: 9 years ago
#39

Originally posted by: beauty14


Sumo cannot be judged without taking her age into account? Can you please clarify what you mean by that? Because earlier on you mention that you are not making Suman's actions inconsequential, but by saying that her actions are rooted from an impulsiveness and immaturity is undermining the hurt Shravan felt by her actions.
You cannot say that all her actions were impulsive because they were not. She made the conscious decision herself to become friends with him. To hide their friendship. And to repeatedly reject and humiliate him in public. She knew what she was doing was wrong as you pointed out, however she never cared to realize the extent to which her actions hurt Shravan.


Please read ttt1's new post. She is much more to the point on what I am trying to say... I have typed what I can...

When we are young, we need instant gratification. As adults we have the capacity to wait. Sumo's actions were not inconsequential, they did hurt Shravan. But she was not old enough to decide to look past her peer group or mature enough to support her friend in that point of time. She was insensitive.

Shra has shared his problem with Sumo on many previous occasions. But given her nature it would have been next to impossible for her to continue to do so, she would have snapped at some point.

On this particular occasion she did not want to support him at that particular moment. She was insensitive yes, and It affected Shravan yes. But could she have solved the problem? Shra's problem runs much deeper than Sumo not hearing him out... An adult would not have behaved the way Sumo did at that moment. Nor would people trivialize Shravan's suffering the way the school kids seemed to make.

Unrest at home can hurt a kid terribly. There were problems between his parents that Shravan constantly discussed with Sumo. The first response of Shravan to his dad on hearing that his mom left was "No, she cant leave me and go"

That is a clear indication of what the child in him felt. He was rejected, deserted by a parent that he felt closer with., that was his anchor and support.. the hurt will be extremely deep and immense. He would end up thinking that he failed his mother as a son and all women are bad. Sumo's hurting him might be terrible but that is a superficial his scar in comparison to what his mother has done to him. What scar Sumo gave would fade with time and Sumo herself would become inconsequential in future. At the max he would throw veiled insults at her and move on with his life. That is normally how people react to such situations.

But what he felt with his mother's desertion would run much much deeper. The sweet Shravan at 16 changed so drastically to become what he is today, someone who does not respect women, or let anyone close to him.

While Sumo, failed to support him at his time of need, he too failed to support Pushkar as a brother. But will Sumo hearing him out resolve the hurt in him? Will his parents have a happy life? Will the decision of having only a single parent change? I think not, because the underlying reason for Shravan's hurt is his mother. She left without a good bye.

Today for the first time I saw a human being in the robotic Shravan! He was restless, unhappy and agitated. He was not happy with what he did to Suman and he knew he was wrong even before Pushkar started his volley of words.

Pushkar's questions would make him introspect more and help him understand how his actions from the past 10 years have inadvertently affected others. I see a butterfly effect here 😆

This is my view. We can always agree to disagree. After all this is just another show, so do not take it too personally.

Cheers...
Radha

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Posted: 9 years ago
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^^^^ radha
You put it all together so beautifully nothing to add
Just one thing that it's easy to.attributesomeone responsible for your misfortune ,its easier to hurt them with the pretense of.feeling better but may not help , I think that's what the prexap was about

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