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Originally posted by: ttt1

It's a fact that teenagers are the most difficult ones to handle :)

I say from experience of dealing with a few myself

,I am not saying suman thinks what she did was right ,I am saying she didn't understand the intensity of the problem ...the reference to the school atmosphere was simple to say that kind of a situation is exclusive to school.where teenager of kids are there ,no where else can this kind of a rejection and humiliation happen ,so yes what she did or.didn't do should be seen in that context/

Bulling has a long lasting effect on children. It's very damaging in spite of all that I don't know any law that sees the act as seriously as any of the adult crime that's stemming from. The fact that children cannot be viewed as adults ,not their action ,not thier understand ing

So my point is what suman needed was strictly guided as a kid ,but considering she tuned out fine I don't see the need to punish her now like this ,confrontation was fine ,its the display of stature and aukat reminder that I disagree with

Originally posted by: beauty14

I understand where you're coming from Poppins.

Yes there was no venom, and I don't believe I said anything of the sort.

But the point I'm trying to make in my post is that you cannot deem her behavior as inconsequential because of her age. Not only because that is unfair, but also because it just completely invalidates the pain that was inflicted upon ShraMan. And I don't think even you would argue that the pain he suffered through was TREMENDOUS. You can't use age as a buffer for her actions. Because that's just not how it works.

And I understand the point you are bringing up with being 18, however the judicial system has these rules in place for legal reasons. We cannot compare a teenager convicted of illegal behavior to Suman's actions. I just feel as if those are two separate scenarios that have no basis of comparison. It's comparing apples to oranges and again, invalidates the point of this argument.

I personally believe that she knew what she she was doing was wrong, but she just never had the courage or was too prideful to accept that she was wrong for making another person feel as if they were unworthy of her friendship. And if she had enough sense to safeguard her "reputation", she also must have some kind of sense between right and wrong. Also, if you take a look at the flashbacks, at several points, we do see a guilty Suman, but she just never steps up to acknowledge her mistake. I get that she was a teenager, but being a teenager myself, I don't think me hurting someone today is okay, JUST BECAUSE I'm "young and frivolous" or so the perception is. It's never okay to hurt someone. Dard dard hota hai.

And thus it just does not make sense for us as a fandom to turn our head to her mistakes and not hold her just as accountable as we are holding Shravan today. Yes he planned it out, I get that, but you cannot deny that the events that took place were SIGNIFICANTLY worse for Shravan 10 years ago than they were for Suman today. Tareeka galat tha, but many of the things he said were true.

Originally posted by: ttt1

^^^^^@pcr

That's all right :)

I agree bulling is not some thing we can accept but the point I am trying to make is the incident cannot be seen keeping the age factor aside.

Childhood scared are difficult to heal ...agree again. But what I disagree is suman was whole ly responsible for that ...she had a part but just as part

And the revenge or what ever its called is blaming her for more than what she did

The dialogues of suman were mean and showed her indiffernet and insensitive side no denial there ,and like I mentioned in the post I agree a young Sravan being very upset ,and Sravan developing a sketch of suman over a period of time

But attributing a child woman fully responsible for a much more serious issue is something I cannot agree

And the refrnce of.the other school kids was to highlight that teens are at time insensitive because if peer pressure ,not saying it's right ,what I am saying is crime and punishment should be proportionate

Originally posted by: ttt1

It's a fact that teenagers are the most difficult ones to handle :)

I say from experience of dealing with a few myself

,I am not saying suman thinks what she did was right ,I am saying she didn't understand the intensity of the problem ...the reference to the school atmosphere was simple to say that kind of a situation is exclusive to school.where teenager of kids are there ,no where else can this kind of a rejection and humiliation happen ,so yes what she did or.didn't do should be seen in that context/

Bulling has a long lasting effect on children. It's very damaging in spite of all that I don't know any law that sees the act as seriously as any of the adult crime that's stemming from. The fact that children cannot be viewed as adults ,not their action ,not thier understand ing

So my point is what suman needed was strictly guided as a kid ,but considering she tuned out fine I don't see the need to punish her now like this ,confrontation was fine ,its the display of stature and aukat reminder that I disagree with

Originally posted by: .SankaDevi.

Hi! If I may add in my two cents here, well first of all I am a teenager myself--the same age as young ShraMan--and I don't believe what she did can be seen in the type of inconsequential light that you are suggesting.

And being a teenager, I don't think we lack the ability to understand the intensity of such problems like you suggested. Like someone else here said, she was a teenager, not a baby.

Also with regards to "the law not viewing bullying as a huge crime," that's actually false. Bullying is viewed as a rather large crime in most countries worldwide, with severe consequences, and where it isn't--it's probably because the judicial systems of those countries are preoccupied with more important matters at hand (like the miraculously "not-guilty" celebrity hit-and-run cases, to name a few, but anyways that's besides the topic). I think the lack of legislation dedicated to bullying has more to do with the poor state of legislature, and less to do with bullying not being a crime.

I live in the state of New Jersey, where we actually have HIB laws and an Anti-Bullying Bill of Rights (see here: http://www.nj.gov/education/students/safety/behavior/hib/#cl). And that is just in my state, there's probably similar bills across the country. But that is just to refute the claim that you cannot hold children, and especially teenagers, accountable for their actions.

But I think involving the law is also besides the point, again, I REALLY don't think it takes a genius to understand the difference between right and wrong, and to understand the consequences of one's actions as well as the affect that they might have on other people.

And trust me, I'm not a minority. Majority of the teenage population is competent enough to understand the gravity of their actions.

Cheers,

Kriti

Originally posted by: poppinss

Exactly ttt1, I do not know if I got all those 't's 😊. Sumo cannot be judged without taking her age into account.

One more point that I would like to add is... young people are impulsive and Sumo sure was very impulsive. At that point she took an spur of the moment wrong call to do what she did.

But the gravity of her mistake would have descended on her immediately after. Sumo herself knows what she did was terrible and we have seen that she has been living with that guilt, since Shravan left.

I guess CVs would be showing that today.

Originally posted by: poppinss

Not every one is in the same maturity threshold Krithi. Remember, we all did wonder how you are as mature as you are at this age 😊. Bullying law... do not think she was bullying Shravan at that point.

At that point Shravan's need for Sumo was really immense. Normally he would have understood the point and moved on but on that day he could not as he need her as his anchor to help him get through his pain. Sadly she choose her image over him.

No one is saying Sumo is right. She is not. But neither was she equipped or adult enough to go with the right choice at that particular moment.

The law is only to reinstate the point that psychologically and emotionally teenagers are not ready to take key decisions. And they might err more than be right. For instance, look at the number of teenage pregnancies. I remember the movie 'Juno' I think you might have seen it too. I think this is one of the key issues world wide.

Teenage is a delicate time and most of us are fortunately not from broken homes. Both Shravan and Suman had parental issues. This is also a reason for them being different.

Originally posted by: Sanika.

why not? Teens today and before us are actually quite level headed and do understand the difference between right and wrong. Being a child does not make stealing that candy right and the child knows it. And being a age where friendship is one of the things that matter, she should not have done what she did and we should not write that off by saying she was a mere child.

Originally posted by: beauty14

I'm sorry but this is not just a matter of maturity, it's the sense of distinguishing what is clearly wrong and right. Teenagers are not their own species, they are people, young adults who understand right and wrong just as adults understand right from wrong. However, because some young adults and adults CONSCIOUSLY choose not to make the right decision that does not reflect on the population of people itself.

Yes she wasn't bullying him at that point because she'd been bullying him far earlier than that. By constantly ostracizing him for his "nerdy behavior", not allowing him to seen with her in public, and humiliating him constantly, she had been slowly testing the threshold of his patience and respect. I'd also like to point out that HE should not have had to understood that this was another one of those moments where the person he calls his best friend would publicly humiliate and degrade him. That's not what friendship.

It's called bullying.

Originally posted by: .SankaDevi.

Hi! If I may add in my two cents here, well first of all I am a teenager myself--the same age as young ShraMan--and I don't believe what she did can be seen in the type of inconsequential light that you are suggesting.

And being a teenager, I don't think we lack the ability to understand the intensity of such problems like you suggested. Like someone else here said, she was a teenager, not a baby.

Also with regards to "the law not viewing bullying as a huge crime," that's actually false. Bullying is viewed as a rather large crime in most countries worldwide, with severe consequences, and where it isn't--it's probably because the judicial systems of those countries are preoccupied with more important matters at hand (like the miraculously "not-guilty" celebrity hit-and-run cases, to name a few, but anyways that's besides the topic). I think the lack of legislation dedicated to bullying has more to do with the poor state of legislature, and less to do with bullying not being a crime.

I live in the state of New Jersey, where we actually have HIB laws and an Anti-Bullying Bill of Rights (see here: http://www.nj.gov/education/students/safety/behavior/hib/#cl). And that is just in my state, there's probably similar bills across the country. But that is just to refute the claim that you cannot hold children, and especially teenagers, accountable for their actions.

But I think involving the law is also besides the point, again, I REALLY don't think it takes a genius to understand the difference between right and wrong, and to understand the consequences of one's actions as well as the affect that they might have on other people.

And trust me, I'm not a minority. Majority of the teenage population is competent enough to understand the gravity of their actions.

Cheers,

Kriti