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Posted: 9 years ago
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Another superb post on a superlative show! Thank you CVs for giving us something so beautiful and poignant through your show. Suman's use of the word bachpana was just a way of shoving her own mistakes under the carpet.
And believe me, I knew someone like teenager Sumo in my own life. I studied with her since my junior KG. She was my best friend or so I used to think. She was always used to be the first ranker till fifth standard and then the downward trend started. She made a gang of very bad friends. She started falling back in studies.

I tried to talk to her and make her realize. She just ridiculed me. I started excelling in academics while her grades started slipping. She blamed me for it while I knew the true reason why it was all happening. She and her gang outracized me and prevented me from making other new friends. They would not talk to me or let anyone who wanted to talk to me be friends with me by bullying them.

She made me go through literal hell for one whole year. Then she failed in the academic year while all of us including her gang went to the next standard. I just moved on. Perhaps she might have regretted all that she did. Even if she didn't, I don't hate her or hurt over all that she did now.

Sometimes the people you come across in your life, even your old friends are not what you take them to be or what you want them to be. Not all the friends you make in life are good or worth it. When you realize it, you just have to move on and not keep clinging to the past. I know it has got nothing to do with the show but I just wanted to share this experience with all of you.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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^^^^^@pcr
That's all right :)
I agree bulling is not some thing we can accept but the point I am trying to make is the incident cannot be seen keeping the age factor aside.
Childhood scared are difficult to heal ...agree again. But what I disagree is suman was whole ly responsible for that ...she had a part but just as part
And the revenge or what ever its called is blaming her for more than what she did

The dialogues of suman were mean and showed her indiffernet and insensitive side no denial there ,and like I mentioned in the post I agree a young Sravan being very upset ,and Sravan developing a sketch of suman over a period of time

But attributing a child woman fully responsible for a much more serious issue is something I cannot agree

And the refrnce of.the other school kids was to highlight that teens are at time insensitive because if peer pressure ,not saying it's right ,what I am saying is crime and punishment should be proportionate
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Posted: 9 years ago
#13

Originally posted by: rekha.366

It's not fair to say what ever sumo did called as bachpana and insult Shravan pain and suffering. It doesn't make good for him and less his pain hurt and suffer any less. He suffered, humiliated, becoming laughing stoke of whole school. And it's not her backpana it's her personality traits. She is like that and you can't cover it saying it's bachpana it was most ridiculous things to defend a person. If you kill a person it doesn't matter if you young or adult the person will dead and the family suffers. In that time shravan young too and it hurted him such extent that s he couldn't forget the incident. Seriously how can we can forget that kind of incident when you become laughing stoke of whole school. These kind of incidents Come with us life long. Maybe time being we forget but when the person comes in front of our memories come full force. I think sumo needs make up to him and prove that she is not the same sumo and she changed for good. And both needs to closer of the bad memories and start make new memories


YES.
Calling Suman's actions as simply bachpana is undermining and degrading Shravan's pain which is completely unfair to him. He too is a human, who has emotions and can withstand only a certain threshold of humiliation.
Incidents as impactful as these stay with you. You don't forget these. EVER.
So, for anyone to say this was something that happened in their childhood and should be forgotten, I find that completely wrong because the fact that this happened when he was at such a vulnerable point in his life really seals the deal. His mother, a figure in our lives we expect to receive only love and protection from abandoned him. And then when he goes to the one person he deems worthy enough to share HIS vulnerability she throws his insecurity and feelings right in his face IN A PUBLIC ATMOSPHERE WHICH HE ALREADY IS SO UNCOMFORTABLE IN. She didn't just ignore him because of peer pressure, she took his words and emotions and threw them in his face as if they meant nothing, he meant nothing, and their friendship meant nothing.

I would love to see how these two characters will progress from this!

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: --fero--

Well good post
I agree dard dard hi hota hai no gender no age...


Thanks fero!🤗
YUP. :D
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: ttt1

^^^^^@pcr

That's all right :)
I agree bulling is not some thing we can accept but the point I am trying to make is the incident cannot be seen keeping the age factor aside.
Childhood scared are difficult to heal ...agree again. But what I disagree is suman was whole ly responsible for that ...she had a part but just as part
And the revenge or what ever its called is blaming her for more than what she did

The dialogues of suman were mean and showed her indiffernet and insensitive side no denial there ,and like I mentioned in the post I agree a young Sravan being very upset ,and Sravan developing a sketch of suman over a period of time

But attributing a child woman fully responsible for a much more serious issue is something I cannot agree

And the refrnce of.the other school kids was to highlight that teens are at time insensitive because if peer pressure ,not saying it's right ,what I am saying is crime and punishment should be proportionate

why not? Teens today and before us are actually quite level headed and do understand the difference between right and wrong. Being a child does not make stealing that candy right and the child knows it. And being a age where friendship is one of the things that matter, she should not have done what she did and we should not write that off by saying she was a mere child.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Sanika.

why not? Teens today and before us are actually quite level headed and do understand the difference between right and wrong. Being a child does not make stealing that candy right and the child knows it. And being a age where friendship is one of the things that matter, she should not have done what she did and we should not write that off by saying she was a mere child.

It's a fact that teenagers are the most difficult ones to handle :)
I say from experience of dealing with a few myself

,I am not saying suman thinks what she did was right ,I am saying she didn't understand the intensity of the problem ...the reference to the school atmosphere was simple to say that kind of a situation is exclusive to school.where teenager of kids are there ,no where else can this kind of a rejection and humiliation happen ,so yes what she did or.didn't do should be seen in that context/

Bulling has a long lasting effect on children. It's very damaging in spite of all that I don't know any law that sees the act as seriously as any of the adult crime that's stemming from. The fact that children cannot be viewed as adults ,not their action ,not thier understand ing

So my point is what suman needed was strictly guided as a kid ,but considering she tuned out fine I don't see the need to punish her now like this ,confrontation was fine ,its the display of stature and aukat reminder that I disagree with
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: prc_fan1


I am sorry but I have to disagree with every word you said here.
Suman was a freaking teenager, not a baby. She knew what was right & what was wrong. She was never forced to be friends with Shravan. It was a conscious choice on her part, & thus when she listened to his woes, she did that as a friend. Because she cared & wanted to be there for him. When Shravan came looking for her, she knew of his emotional vulnerability & his need to confide in her, yet she chose to humiliate him & remain silent when the whole school was laughing at him. It was a conscious choice on her part. She is no baby, to not understand emotions. How can she just say 'ma chali gayi toh chali gayi'.
Also, don't generalize Suman with every teen. They all laughed, but they were not Shravan's friends & neither did they get personal with him the way Shravan did.

Also, it is a psychological proven fact that scars developed when young are the ones that go on to scar us for the rest of our lives. Majority of people with psychological disorders cite childhood incidents of abuse, or what not. So don't just call it mere 'bachpana'.

Coming to Shravan, yes, an eye for an eye is no solution. However even before deciding on right or wrong, it is important for us to understand Shravan's motivations for this revenge. People who seek revenge tend to be motivated by power, authority & status - in short, they do not want to lose face. And that is exactly what motivated Shravan the moment Suman called him eogistic & a bhagoda. Note he was planning to leave for London, but the moment she said that, she peeled open all the wounds she left him 10 years ago. Shravan did not want to be standing there at the same spot, that he was a decade ago. And so he decided on this revenge. Was what he did right? NO. But was it needed? YES. Because he needs to know that rather than providing closure, what this humiliation has done, is to refresh & reopen those wounds which he's been trying to hide from the whole world. And this is the first step for them to now look at each other, beyond their teenager selves. It is in some way, a new beginning, with everything out in the open.


YES SAM. Literally that was beautiful.
That is exactly what I was trying to say. Suman made the conscious decision herself to be friends with Shravan. She was not coerced into doing so and neither did she feel obligated. And she is not a little child who does not understand what or how her actions can impact others. She knew how her rejection of him hurt him every time in school but she just choose to purposefully ignore the consequences of her actions.
And teenagers cannot be characterized by these generalizations. Teenagers are also people to, who can determine their right from wrong and understand the consequences of their actions.
And yes Shravan needed to do this. It was necessary more for him because he needed Suman to realize that hurting someone is never not a big deal. He needed her to understand how a person can feel hurt by someone they genuinely respected and cared so deeply for.
I really like that point you brought up with their confrontation. He did this because this was his way of defending that past Shravan who at the time did not have any way of protecting himself. And show that this time he would be able to resist that feeling of heartbreak and humiliation from being treated indifferently by a person you valued so much.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: ttt1

It's a fact that teenagers are the most difficult ones to handle :)

True, they are. And why should they not be because that is the age when they literally realize what the world meansand what is in store for them.

I say from experience of dealing with a few myself

,I am not saying suman thinks what she did was right ,I am saying she didn't understand the intensity of the problem ...the reference to the school atmosphere was simple to say that kind of a situation is exclusive to school.where teenager of kids are there ,no where else can this kind of a rejection and humiliation happen ,so yes what she did or.didn't do should be seen in that context/

Bulling has a long lasting effect on children. It's very damaging in spite of all that I don't know any law that sees the act as seriously as any of the adult crime that's stemming from. The fact that children cannot be viewed as adults ,not their action ,not thier understand ing

So my point is what suman needed was strictly guided as a kid ,but considering she tuned out fine I don't see the need to punish her now like this ,confrontation was fine ,its the display of stature and aukat reminder that I disagree with

Just because there is no law laid down to disapprove of something does not mean it is right or should be practiced or is less of a wrong.
I completely disagree with Shravan planning out his revenge and calling her out on her status in the socitey.
But I also disagree with you writing off Suman's actions just because she was a child.


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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: shailusri1983

Another superb post on a superlative show! Thank you CVs for giving us something so beautiful and poignant through your show. Suman's use of the word bachpana was just a way of shoving her own mistakes under the carpet.

And believe me, I knew someone like teenager Sumo in my own life. I studied with her since my junior KG. She was my best friend or so I used to think. She was always used to be the first ranker till fifth standard and then the downward trend started. She made a gang of very bad friends. She started falling back in studies.

I tried to talk to her and make her realize. She just ridiculed me. I started excelling in academics while her grades started slipping. She blamed me for it while I knew the true reason why it was all happening. She and her gang outracized me and prevented me from making other new friends. They would not talk to me or let anyone who wanted to talk to me be friends with me by bullying them.

She made me go through literal hell for one whole year. Then she failed in the academic year while all of us including her gang went to the next standard. I just moved on. Perhaps she might have regretted all that she did. Even if she didn't, I don't hate her or hurt over all that she did now.

Sometimes the people you come across in your life, even your old friends are not what you take them to be or what you want them to be. Not all the friends you make in life are good or worth it. When you realize it, you just have to move on and not keep clinging to the past. I know it has got nothing to do with the show but I just wanted to share this experience with all of you.


Aww Shailusri thank you for sharing such a personal experience on the forum with us! Truly feel honored. 🤗

First of all, I'm so sorry you had to go through that. Honestly, if someone you call a friend will go ahead and act so terribly with you, I'm so sorry but that person was never a true friend in the first place and most likely never deserved your friendship.

Friendship is not a relationship that should be taken lightly. The bond two people share is so strong and pure, because two random people find trust in one another to build a connection. The very foundation of friendship is trust and faith. And to break that by acting so terribly to someone you supposedly cared for at one point, I just don't understand it.

I haven't gone through a similar experience, but I have experienced bullying when I was younger in elementary, so I can understand what you are trying to share.

Thank you once again for sharing your story with us! And for the sweet compliments!😳
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Thank you!😃

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