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Vrish

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Posted: 16 years ago

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I think Kalyug started with the submersion (is that a word?) of Dwaraka. After Arjun had done the shradhs for Krishna, Balarama, Vasudev, Ugrasena and all the Yadavas, Vrishnis and Andhakas, he was told that 7 days from that day, the oceans would rise and submerse Dwaraka, and Kalyug would start. So he quickly evacuated the Yadava survivors and left for Mathura. So Kalyug didn't start w/ the end of Parikshit, but w/ the end of Dwaraka.

Once Arjun got to Mathura (some accounts have it as Indraprastha, but I've read of successors to the Pandavas who moved the capital from Hastinapur to Indraprastha), he crowned Vajra as king, and left Subhadra as the caretaker/regent for him (so did the Pandavas leave Uttara to do the same for Parikshit?)

So yes, Vajra ruled the Yadavas after that. His kingdom didn't merge w/ the Pandavas.

Exit question: when the Pandavas did the Rajasuya and Ashwamedha yagnas, what was the status of Dwaraka wrt them? Was it a vassal, an ally or what? In a Rajasuya yagna, the Pandavas would have exacted tribute from all rulers, including allies, but I can't imagine them asking Ugrasena (indirectly Krishna) for tribute. And for the Ashwamedha yagna, I'm guessing there was no way for the horse to get to Dwaraka, since it was an island? Or did Yudhisthir give Krishna the honorary co-host status like he did in the Rajasuya yagna that angered Shishupala? At any rate, what was the status of Dwaraka wrt Indraprastha in both these cases?

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rajnish kumar

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Posted: 16 years ago

#32

Is there any online link where one could read P.lal transcreation. Also does P.lal has finished translating each parva❓

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Kal El

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Posted: 16 years ago

#33

Originally posted by: Rajnish_Kumar
Is there any online link where one could read P.lal transcreation. Also does P.lal has finished translating each parva❓

As far as I know, no it's not available anywhere online. They can be found in some university libraries (that's how I found them). And yes, he did finish the translation which he originally published in 338 fascicules. The entire transcreation is being collected in 18 volumes (corresponding to the 18 parvas). Sixteen volumes are available. Volumes 12-13 (Santi and Anusasana Parvas) are the only ones left to be collected.

This is the website of his publication house: http://www.writersworkshopindia.com/

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rajnish kumar

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Posted: 16 years ago

#34

Originally posted by: Kal El

As far as I know, no it's not available anywhere online. They can be found in some university libraries (that's how I found them). And yes, he did finish the translation which he originally published in 338 fascicules. The entire transcreation is being collected in 18 volumes (corresponding to the 18 parvas). Sixteen volumes are available. Volumes 12-13 (Santi and Anusasana Parvas) are the only ones left to be collected.

This is the website of his publication house: http://www.writersworkshopindia.com/

Thanks kal-el. 😊 for information.

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Vrish

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Posted: 14 years ago

#35

Hi, everyone!

Previously, in the Ramayan forum, and now in the Mythological Masti forum, we had threads on the doubts and discussions on the Ramayan for the former, and general mythology in the latter. At the time, after the serial ended, I started this thread in the Ramayan forum. The purpose of these threads are to raise any questions one has on the actual original events, not necessarily as that depicted in this serial. So if one has a question about anything about Krishna, this is the place to ask.

I made this thread about the Dwapar Yuga rather than restrict it to Krishna, since Krishna & the Pandavas were pretty much joined @ the hip - half the things the Pandavas achieved would never have been done w/o Krishna, while on Krishna's end, quite a number of things did involve the Pandavas - Arjun escorting the survivors of his family back to Mathura, Bhima killing Jarasandha, Yudhisthira's Rajasuya yagna being the scene for Sishupala's killing, Arjun helping Krishna win Mitravindya... Oh, and there was Krishna's cross-dressing son Samba abducting Duryodhan's daugher Samba and eventually marrying her 😆. Long story short, in this thread, questions from the Dwapar Yuga - be it about Krishna or the Mahabharat - belong here.

I've had it imported here, so that we can pick up where we left off. Feel free to comment on the questions in the first few pages as well, if you think there is anything useful worth adding 😊

Originally posted by: _Vrish_
Hi, everyone!

Over the last year, we had posted discussions on the Ramayan in two forum threads on a wide range of issues not just restricted to the serial itself, and had covered topics as diverse as the Ashwamedha yagnas to Karkati 😆😆 The fact that it went into 2 threads shows how successful it was 👏👏👏

In the past, we did sometimes segway into Dwapar Yuga, but got ourselves back on track so that we could be in sync w/ the serial. However, now with the Ramayan over, and all discussions probably being epic related, it's probably a good time to have this thread about similar questions one may have about the Dwapar Yuga - both Krishna and Mahabharata.

If all of you think this is a good idea, I'd suggest that any such discussions be posted here.

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Lakshmi

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Posted: 14 years ago

#36

Thanks for opening such a wonderful thread.👍🏼
Can we discuss both Ramayan and Mahabharath in this thread or is it purely for Mahabharath? I am happy if it is either way.

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Lakshmi

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Posted: 14 years ago

#37

I have a doubt regarding Mahabharata. Hope you all remember that one of the Kaurava prince (sorry I don't remember his name) joined the Pandavas just before the beginning of Kurukshetra war. What was the fate of that prince. Was he killed or did he survive? I think none of the 100 princes survived. I am just curious to know about the fate of this prince. If he was killed; then who killed him?

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Vrish

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Posted: 14 years ago

#38

This thread is just for the Dwapar Yuga i.e. Krishna & the Mahabharat. For Ramayan, use this thread in the Ramayan forum

Doubts and Discussions from the Ramayan II

and if it is more generic, like about the trinity - Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva, Saraswati, Lakshmi, Durga, Parvati, Devas, Asuras, Gandharvas, Yakshas, Apsaras, et al, use this one

|| Mythological Masti :: Doubts & Discussions ||

I am active in all 3, so I generally attempt to answer if I know, or think I do. I'll answer your question in the next post.

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Vrish

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Posted: 14 years ago

#39

Originally posted by: lakshmin42
I have a doubt regarding Mahabharata. Hope you all remember that one of the Kaurava prince (sorry I don't remember his name) joined the Pandavas just before the beginning of Kurukshetra war. What was the fate of that prince. Was he killed or did he survive? I think none of the 100 princes survived. I am just curious to know about the fate of this prince. If he was killed; then who killed him?

The prince in question was Yuyutsu. He was a step-brother of the Kauravas - Dhritarashtra was his father, but Gandhari wasn't his mother. He was opposed to the ill-treatment of Draupadi, and switched sides on day 1 of the war. He was however a mediocre warrior and easily defeated by warriors like Ulooka (son of Shakuni)

He survived the war (which is why it's strange that Dhritarashtra felt that he had no sons left). After the war, the Pandavas asked him do do the funeral services for the Kaurava dead, while they did it for the Pandava dead. After Yudhisthir's rajyabhishek, he was made a minister in the Pandava government. And when the Pandavas handed over the kingdom to Parikshit, they made him the prime minister, and left Parikshit in his & Uttara's care.

One thing that struck me was that Vikarna, who was one of Gandhari's sons, had been more outspoken about Draupadi's treatment, and yet didn't follow Yuyutsu's example. He too could and should have crossed over, so that Gandhari couldn't have complained that she had lost all her sons. Instead, he fought and died @ Bhima's hands on day 14 - the day Jayadrath was killed. Also, he was not the last Kaurava to die before Dushashan - in fact, even after Dushashan's death, there were still some Kauravas left alive, and they were all killed on day 18 by Bhima. The last one he killed before Duryodhan was someone names Sudarshan.

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Lakshmi

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Originally posted by: _Vrish_
This thread is just for the Dwapar Yuga i.e. Krishna & the Mahabharat. For Ramayan, use this thread in the Ramayan forum

Doubts and Discussions from the Ramayan II

and if it is more generic, like about the Devas, Asuras, Gandharvas, Yakshas, Apsaras, et al, use this one

|| Mythological Masti :: Doubts & Discussions ||

I am active in all 3, so I generally attempt to answer if I know, or think I do. I'll answer your question in the next post.