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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: shruthiravi

Yes if the serial was short that would have been better, with a maximum run of say 1-1.5 yrs. But it does not happen now a days : Touch and agreed. Earlier on serials used to run by weeks...then the sagas like Hum Log, Khaandan etc made them long...

I have recently watched some serails on Hum TV (a pak channel) and frankly I am bewildered and flabbergasted by their mature handling...Saw Zindagi Gulzar Hai (the serail gets wrapped up in some 20 epioses)...Sorry for getting carried away, but this was a point made that short and sweet at times is better.
Social message I am ok with it. If it can reach some people that is good, no matter if it was inserted. I was ok it.
They have degenerated every character into negative. Bhabo was not actually evil, but a bit old fashioned and egoistic lady. But now she is made so much negative hell bent on destroying Sandhya.
Emily was a girl shown with some courage and modern thought process. But now she has been made a complete emotional fool, fearing divorce at every step and want to backstab the very same person because of whom her child will get the identity of its father. Touch and agreed on this one two, the former part and as you rightly pointed out that the producers made a mess of some very good characters who looked very promising. Instead by dragging it into an absolute vegetative comastatic state the very few characters who actually had a bit of gusto have been degenerated.
The only positive characters I see is SURYA, Chotu, Chaturi and to some extent Vikram. Though this guy started of as a not so good guy he has shown showing some progressive thoughts in recent days.

: Hmm I will the say the latter two, as the main protagonist is a bit blind to his evil mother, but all the same is not evil...a bumpkin (not in terms of education...) but who does not want to rise up to the constant humiliations he and wife are made to suffer. Not bad though!


Thanks for the feed back shruthi :)
Edited by romantisch - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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nice post welcome to the forum dear
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Posted: 12 years ago
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thanks Nikita :)
what is your and other members take?
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: shruthiravi

See considering other serials DABH is far better. I am talking from a perspective of other Malayalam and Tamil serials I have to tolerate at home as my mom watches it 😃. DABH has a storyline. Yes it has. Agreed it is dragging. But what to do TRP rules the world and successful serials adhere to it.

Coming to your point, CVs close most of the tracks with something positive for Sooraj and Sandhya. And many occasions they have showed that when something negative is aimed at SURYA the most positive happens for them in the end.
For e.g Meena not allowing Sandhya to attend award function. This was the sole reason by which Sooraj came to know about Sandhya's dream, else Sandhya would have never told it.
Chavi losing necklace and Sooraj getting blamed. It was because he went in search of that necklace that he came to know about night college and enrolled Sandhya there.
Last but not the least current Chavi matter- Matka broke, but the CVs will show that matka actually broke Chavi's life as Chavi's marriage is going to be on a lie and she will get the humilation at her in laws place.
There are many like this in the serial which I have appreciated.
One thing I want to stress is that DABH tries to stress on the point that your Karma catches up with you no matter what. Though SURYA forgives and forgets the universe will not forgive or forget. Punishment may not be from SURYA for evil characters, they will be put in situations which will be the punishment for them.
For e.g Bhabo did have to stand as a thief atleast for a day in FB track for all the wrongful accusations she threw on Sandhya. It was a warning for Bhabo to reform. Unfortunatley she didnt care. So I am sure something big is coming her way
Coming to negative characters getting punished. Yes I want LC to come out and BS also at the earliest. But most probably this will be dragged as without Bhabo and Meena in the frame Sandhya's challenge is over. Especially LC will be dragged for sure.
With mega serials patience is the word, to be frank even I dont have it. I would have preferred DABH to be a book which I could easily read and finish in couple of days 😃😃😃. I guess DABH is a serial one should watch after it goes off air. Then we can watch it at a go and feel happy about it. 😃😃😃


@bold ...Agree with you.

I did the same. Left the show beginning of 2012, after Sandy gets stopped by Suraj for leaving the house and Bhabho gives her the idiotic 15 day challenge. Though I always liked SurYa Chemistry, I was like...let it go on...and recently, I thought let me catch up with them what's going on in their life. I was in India in May when I watched that LC drama...being shoved by Bhabho...I was just flipping the channels when I happened to see them. But what caught me by surprise was...Bhabho ke ghar mein Isaai Shaadi...as in inter-religion marriage ???!!! I was like...oh! So Sandhya and Suraj keep going after their social service missions. Coz I happened to stop during the time Dump Trash in Trash Bin Social Message. And now we have this inter-religion. Seemed Bhabho had to gulp down too much defeat at Sandhya's hands. And that made me smile.

So ...in June...I started watching randomly for SurYa scenes. See a lot of improvement in the couple's relationship. Suraj has taught the shy Sandhya what it is being romantically involved. Sandhya now instead of earlier sensibly behaving as the intelligent girl who sees her husband attracted to her, his desire for her, his helping nature; and what a good man he is; is now sensibly responding to him with emotions as well. She used to be a girl totally oblivious to romantic interest because of her soul and mind trapped in her dream and love for service towards general good...that is what her parents taught her. And Suraj always could make out this about his young wife. And that was one of the reason, why he never wanted her in resignation or submission. I like now that Suraj has finally been successful in having a cheery Sandhya before him. He may be surprised about that aspect, but every naughty, teasing or happy look is registered by him and he inches close to her forcing to drop the barriers of formal educational difference between them and instead has made Sandhya realize there is knowledge beyond formal education as well. And there is that balancing act as well that her HALWAAYI Husband has learnt to walk on the tight rope of continuing to remaining the sweet person with sweet tongue for everyone amidst the bitter and sour and decadent characters around him.

In a lot of scenes, I am seeing how the couple undulate between Confidence and Diffidence. While Sandhya is confident about rules on enforcement agencies and what would be those duties and is able to fight for the right without Suraj's support, Suraj used to come as the diffident guy. Now today that diffident guy, instead of pulling down Sandhya's confidence has become her support by trusting her knowledge and helped fighting the wrong in each of his wife's social service missions. It shows the dormant side of Suraj character who could not get this side of his developed due to lack of formal education...though he was smart enough to discern that Sandhya new about Policegiri more than what could be read in school or college texts. Suraj has now effectively developed himself to lose his diffidence in fighting for the right as he sees that whatever his wife does, it is for others good (which is his principle as well) and that it is appreciated by great people around her (like the DSP or diff Madams).

Suraj likewise is confident about maintaining relationships, house-hold chores and his work. This is where Sandhya is diffident. She is not a good wife by social standards even today. But in her diffidence, she has accepted only one challenge for herself...to be the good DIL for her Bhaabo. Somewhere, Bhabho's insults to her by repeatedly accusing her brother, and parents had made Sandhya very defensive about them. So the defensive daughter and Sister though standing on the side of Truth, gives into Bhabo's demands as for her it is a challenge that she needs to pass the test of good DIL. The day Sandhya breaks out of this Diffidence, she will do herself a LOT of justice and understand being the WIFE of Suraj as well. It is for nothing that MAASA likes Sandhya. Maasa notices the spunk that Sandhya has, which Bhabho lacks. And Sandhya needs to get that SPUNK back. And in here Suraj keeps instilling that confidence that she can do it.

So together the couple as I see now...have grown a lot. They value their strengths, recognize their weaknesses and more importantly remain dignified in their responses to each other. Somewhere, the two embarked on getting closer to each other becoming man and wife after return from Singapore and Suraj would have achieved that had he not been revealed of Sandhya's dream. It is since that day, Suraj is becoming less of romantically interested in her, though loving her more and more as each day goes by. And here we see Sandhya slowly assuming that role in their relationship, though in very incompetent manner. Like Sandhya is guilty of lie of her brother and so works day and night to be the IDEAL BEENDNI of Rathi Pariwaar, Suraj is seeing God's command that he needs to fulfil Sandhya's dream as he sees her parents passed on that mantle to him.

THis is the truth that has festered them...sometimes a great impediment to being SurYa and yet they are DABH to each other. If we remember the scene at the temple where they both pray, they both are telling about their individual dreams and hopes from each other to GOD. This is the video.


Now this has reversed. The dreams have been accepted by either of them without them actually even talking about it. Its like God heard them and did his work.


I am on such a ramble 😆...Anyways...aaye hoon to poora likh ke aur kahke jaaongi. 😉

Bhabho is ONE big loser in the drama as I caught up with the drama. The story telling is told in such a way that Mittals do not want to be rebellious, but want their Educated Girl to educate People like Bhabho on the drawbacks on carrying forward backward traditions by regressive thinking. In every track I see that SurYa or Sandhya expose the TRUTH and Progressive Thinking is LAID on the table...and it is left for Bhabho to decide if she wants to PICK it up or Not. The moment when she removed the cap from Sandhya's head and gave it back to DSP, shows us how INSECURE she is as the person challenged by NEW AGE thinking. Through Bhabho it is the Struggle between New and Old Generation. She is the authoritarian and upholder of traditons, even if they are bad. So then doesn't Sandhya's mission to change people like Bhabho start from her home ground ??!!!

Sandhya has done awesome job so far to silence Bhabho's screeching voice and public humiliations of her DIL and her SON. Her army is her vain sons and daughters and the two selfish DILs that she has. THE BIGGEST CHANGE in Bhabho is that she has accepted that SurYa will never go against her but will always show her the truth and she will be forced to ACCEPT their POV. This has now become GALE KI HADDI of Bhaabo...na nigalte banta hai, na Ugalte banta hai.


Its not that Sandhya and Suraj cannot get angry and put their younger sibs in their place, but they know that it is Bhabho who has forbidden them to exercise their right. She is THAT INSECURE. And this is where Suraj with the leverage of being the doted son helps his wife in transparent manner before his mother and this is where Bhabho has resorted to Blackmailing Sandhya and now even cheating her like that LC shoving.

For the drama to progress, it is important that Bhabho is won over emotionally by her really going down too low to beat her insecurity that Sandhya has come to usurp her place. It is then all the side characters of Meenudi, Mohit and Chavi and now Emily will be stubbed.

Towards the title of this TOPIC...I would say
  • Bhabho tries to have Illumination Stubbed in every Track.
  • And SurYa Keep fighting her and Illumination is Ignited end of every Track.

So far the entire family behind Sandhya's back praises her intelligence, investigative skills and her support and good naturedness. In front of Bhabo they ditch her because they know if they support her Bhabho is going to be angry with them. Perfectly correct portrayal of a weak mind. I am seeing how many times Vikram, Mohit, Chavi and Meena have actually praised Sandhya. And twice even Bhaho was missing Sandhya.


So its all selfishness and insecurity of the Ruling Party where the Opposition Party SurYa are definitely getting more votes. Time to get dirty and so Bhabho is playing it dirty.

@ bold. Even now I am not regularly watching the soap...I would like to see it after few more months...but I just stopped by the Forum to hear what you are all speaking. IMO, I believe that if the last Matka also gets broken and later Bhabho sees how actually Sandhya did it for her and her family, she will be ashamed of her low thinking. And in here...already Meena's Baby Swapping drama is being slowly unravelled. Meena is now unable to take it that her cute daughter gets all the attention of her husband, the shooting Crew at the studio and now Bhabhasa and all playing with her. IMO the fairness of her daughter and Kanha's dark color and his lack of bonding with her or vice versa, is going to blow up in a fit of jealous rage...or another Sandhya or Suraj scoop. Bhabho needs to learn a lesson there about gender discrimnation. And when Bhabho sees Sandhya's Bhabhi helping her husband, there is another lesson to be learnt there.


May be they will drag the story...but to me now what is important is how many more defeats that Bhabho is going to get through Meena, Chavi, Mohit, Vikram and Emily. Vikram is bit improved. So that is his development. Others I see are inwardly afraid of their SurYa but become barking dogs before Bhabho. So there is character development there also. Underlying meaning in not punishing these culprits is that IN FAMILIES you cannot punish people, but they are forgiven and given chance. And this is how Sandhya has to achieve her dream of SERVING PEOPLE. Her dream was never just to wear IPS uniform. Her dream was to serve the country and people...and Sandhya is doing a hell of a job for Hanuman Gali and Pushkar with her biggest supporter friend being her Halwayee husband.

Somewhere, their dreams are already realized. And they never stop.

Look at the way Suraj made the progress. Too respectful of educated people, Suraj used to salute people making himself look more the illiterate rather than 9th pass one. Now he is able to confidently speak to even DSPs. He used to bribe police to get away, now wears helmet and is now ready to become the traffic clearer for the sake of a medical emergency (in the beginning also he was a helpful man and that is how he ended up taking Sandhya's parents to hospital), he no longer bribes, but is able to stay his ground with authorities. All the changes that we see in Suraj in his dealings with People around him are Sandhya's achievements of her dream...serve your people and country in such a way that you become an inspiration for others to change themselves towards social ethics.

And likewise, Sandhya made the progress...dream can be realized...BUT dreams have a COST of their own. This is what she has learnt and everyday she goes through this balancing act of sorting her priorities per situation never swaying even once from her mind that is Unique in its own way. She was intelligent and she remains intelligent even now. She was strong spirited girl and she is even now. What she has to deal was something that none should have...being cheated. She was cheated. But she chose to stand by her principles that were taught by her parents and first for them handled the Cheating with Dignity and now has understood her husband. She is slowly falling in love with her husband. She definitely has not reached the stage where Suraj means everything to her...but we can see that a seething anger is growling in her at anyone who looks down upon her husband now. So what I see for future is that Sandhya may not give a damn about her dream, will continue to place truth, service and family relationships of the house higher over Suraj, but she definitely is going to be one possessive and protective wife for her husband. We got to see this aspect raising its head in the TV remote episode and later their conversation as to how she interprets that her father is now happy that indeed she is married to a great man. For her Suraj may not be a formally educated man, but he remains a man of principles that he never compromises about and a man who never discriminates between anyone and is supportive to everyone...and not just her. This too is SERVICE to mankind in her eyes. And add to that he loves her so much that she has become his life.

Right ?!!!

Sorry girls...got carried away. 😆
Edited by 0-SD-0 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@ 0-SD-0 ..wonderful analysis ..U spoke my mind . Its great that unlike few forum members u think that Surya's relationship has grown in a lot of ways ..I truly believe its not only the physical thing which shows growth in a relationship .
Bhabo too is defeated at the end of every track , thats why I dont care much about what she does
. No words to describe how much I loved ur explaination about Surya relationship . Welcome to the forum and keep posting.
Edited by Toxic11 - 12 years ago
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First of all welcome to the forum 😊.
You made an excellent post with a very good analysis of the show.
In my limited knowledge of Indian serials...I have to say that despite its faults DABH is far better than a lot of other serials I've seen. They are blessed with a stellar cast and a decent writing team that puts out tracks and performances that are far better than others I've seen. 😆
Yes there seem to be a lot of loose ends right now...especially with the first 2 matkas being broken on the grounds of false information, but I'm sure they will be tied up sooner or later.
Remember Sandhya's father's pen...how Suraj gained custody of it very early in the show...and how it eventually made it to Sandhya's hands. The ATM fraud was cleverly weaved into the fake Vaidrani Ji and Fake Baba tracks. Similarily, I'm sure the rest of the loose ends will be tied up eventually.
I don't blame DABH so much as I blame the way Indian serials are setup. Unlike their Pakistani or American counter parts...they are shown 5 days a week, shot only a few episodes in advance and are TRP based. And if the TRPs are good...they become the never-ending story 😆
Yes...they drag. 😕 DABH has almost reached it's 500 episode milestone...and yet in DABH time it's only been a little over a year (SurYa have only recently celebrated their 1 year wedding anniversary). If you think it gets boring for us...think of the poor actors...their talent stagnates playing the same character in the same mode for countless episodes.
Despite all that...I continue to watch DABH...although last week I missed 3 episodes and made due with the WU. This is something I would never have done in the first year of DABH 😆. I would have wanted to see each twitch and smirk the characters' faces made...but now it is old hat.
So yes...I think I personally would have preferred seeing a shorter version of DABH. Dragging...no matter how good the original concept is...will eventually make anyone weary.
My main complaint against DABH has always and will always be the fact that SurYa as a couple have always been too thanda. No sparks, no tension, and no chemistry.
This serial is a BhaSan show...and so I've adapted myself to this jodi...call me sadistic..😈...but I actually like them...and so I continue to watch. 😆
Edited by ummesulaiman - 12 years ago
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Excellent post. I started watching DABH not so much for the theme but for the amazing chemistry between the lead pairs. Than I joined the forum and started commenting. This was the first serial in Hindi I watched. After joining the forum I went through innumerable articles to understand the Hindi telly world. The understanding I gathered is that it is totally TRPS driven. Serials with decent TRPS run for years. Even if TRPS is taken from a survey of 8000 households a miniscule percentage considering India's population and not a reflection of the general popularity of any show that is what gives the channel the money and is important.

1. The CVs get no rest unlike the western world where it is season based and writers get time to refreshen themselves in between season breaks. That being the case, the fatigue starts showing in the form of bloopers, dragging, paucity of ideas, lack of research on the subject etc etc.

2.A general sentiment exists in the telly world which I discovered later that the lead pair even if they are married should not be shown to be physically close and that aspect of marriage should be indefinitely postponed. There is skewed idea in the mind of CVs that once that is shown the serial will lose its charm. Keep the audience waiting is the motto. In this serial while the initial chemistry was good after the Singapore track suddenly Suraj has become a big brother/ father to Sandhya. This is is most unrealistic.

3.Thirdly as you rightly pointed out the evil character's punishment is indefinitely postponed to drag the drama element in the story and that gives an impression of always evil triumphing over good. They maybe doing it due to TRPS pressure, but it sends a wrong message to the audience that the likes of people like Meena, Mohit and Chavvi can get away with murder.

4. The continuous emotional and mental torture of Sandhya, a girl who aspires to be a civil servant sends a paradoxical message that while she will fight for justice outside the house in her house she will take a lot of injustice and be the epitome of sacrifice. The principle that it is as wrong to tolerate injustice as it is to commit is conveniently forgotten.

With so many complaints why do I continue to watch the serial ?

Because of three reasons

1.My love for the forum members and this being the only avenue to keep in touch

2. A hope that they will make SurYa relationship realistic and civil services preparation away from the matka dramas and through real studies in coaching classes and Sandhya struggling to manage studies and innumerable festivals which RP celebrates.

3. A hope that someday they will show the victory of good over evil.
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@0-SD-0. Very beautiful analysis of SURYA relationship. I also agree to that. One thing I want from them is that Sandhya needs to come out of Bhabo chakkar and make Sooraj her priority.
As far as her dream goes she will achieve it only and only for Sooraj. That is why they have made it his dream now. 😃
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Toxic11 and Shrutiarvi,

Thank you.😊
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Towards the title of this TOPIC...I would say
  • Bhabho tries to have Illumination Stubbed in every Track.
  • And SurYa Keep fighting her and Illumination is Ignited end of every Track.

Thanks 0-SD-0 for the lovely illuminating response.

Edited by romantisch - 12 years ago

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