Doubts & Discussions about Lord Shiva Part-2 - Page 29

I am glad something was written about Kartikeya. I try not to find fault with the series for many reasons however the way Kartikeya has been displayed has always bothered me. He just seems so wimpish All The Time. He feels like a childish character that ALWAYS has issues. Maybe a part of it has to do with the way his head is always tilted. He certainly does not seem to be the General of the Gods, a Great Warrior son of Lord Shiva.

Originally posted by: Surya_krsnbhakt

Am I not?

Sorry!

What I meant was, Lord Kartikeya is not being portrayed to his full divinity, his full prowess.

Muruga (yes, I know Muruga and Kartikeya are the same god😆) is the general of the gods, respected by all, gods and asuras alike. Here he is treated like some obstacle which everyone has to cross to reach Swargaloka. And they show him as very helpless when it comes to matters like this, when actually, he has never been helpless EVER.

I didn't mean that Kartikeya was obliged to support Mahadeva. I meant Kartikeya gave his support without question, that too willingly. And Banasura was not so foolish to go and attack Kailash and challenge Muruga to a fight.

Can you specify the Purana where Kartikeya defeats Banasura? Because, going by Srimad Bhagavatam, there is no mention of Banasura even fighting him. Even in the Garga Samhita, while he helps Kamsa a lot, he doesn't personally go fight the gods.

And Kartikeya's relation with his parents...

Well, he is supposed to have as normal a relationship as any child would..

I don't know, maybe this is the North-South version difference. Muruga is the darling of Parvati as far as I know.

oh ok i got u now! frankly, i don't trust shrimad bhagvatam so much coz like all other books-puranas, upanishads, etc of that time...stories vary...books that r written in praise of shiva believe something, others dd opposite or a maybe a slight variant of that story!

but, one thing is there...kartikeya was indeed parvati's darling son but he did not believe in parvati ka love...he always had a strained relation with them n that is y he rarely lived at kailash!! also, he always fought with d gods...never against them! he supported his father but not whole-heartedly just coz of his relation...n purana, i think shiva purana only mentions banasura being defeated by kartikeya once!!!!

n surya...u'll have to tell me whats happening in d serial so that i can understand what u mean by d words that r highlighted in red!!!😉

hello this is my first time in dkdm forum! I am searching for episode discussion thread. if there is any please provide link!

Originally posted by: srishtisingh

hello this is my first time in dkdm forum! I am searching for episode discussion thread. if there is any please provide link!

Originally posted by: wildcat1994

[quote]Here he is treated like some obstacle which everyone has to cross to reach Swargaloka. And they show him as very helpless when it comes to matters like this, when actually, he has never been helpless EVER.[/quote]

oh ok i got u now! frankly, i don't trust shrimad bhagvatam so much coz like all other books-puranas, upanishads, etc of that time...stories vary...books that r written in praise of shiva believe something, others dd opposite or a maybe a slight variant of that story!

but, one thing is there...kartikeya was indeed parvati's darling son but he did not believe in parvati ka love...he always had a strained relation with them n that is y he rarely lived at kailash!! also, he always fought with d gods...never against them! he supported his father but not whole-heartedly just coz of his relation...n purana, i think shiva purana only mentions banasura being defeated by kartikeya once!!!!

n surya...u'll have to tell me whats happening in d serial so that i can understand what u mean by d words that r highlighted in red!!!😉

Originally posted by: Surya_krsnbhakt

First. You don't believe SB.

A. You must be kidding.

B. If no, then, hm.. ok.

C. YOu must like Shiva Purana very much.

@Red Int he show, whenever any asura attacks, it is like Kartikeya is level one, if they pass level one, they can continue in fighting the others. Take Banasur track itself. When he first attacked heaven, Kartikeya rushed first. (Of course that is his duty). But the next time Banasur attacked, he didn't attack Swarga. Instead, he went to Kailas and told Kartikeya, "Fight me. If I defeat you, then Swarga is mine." You understand what I am saying? Like defeating Kartikeya is the only requirement to do anything.

no am not kidding...i don't trust Sb n frankly, i don't like d shiva purana either...for me they r books through which i m trying to understand what is truth n what must have happened when those books were written!!!

n yes, defeating kartkieya is d only essential to win swaraglok...bcoz... kartikeya is d senapati of all d gods n defender of swargalok...if u defeat him then there is no way indra or any other god except vishnu n shiva can defeat u!!!!so, u win swarglok if u win kartikeya...get what am sayin?😳

Can anybody, in short, explain what really happened during the end banasur fight?

Originally posted by: TheWatcher

Can anybody, in short, explain what really happened during the end banasur fight?

I read Somewhere that Lord Krishna defeated lord Shiva, is this true?

I can understand that the above story is altered due to one 's favouritism towards a god and the attempts to make him superior.

And, did pradyumna defeat Kartikeya?, I don't know I can't seem to digest this, how can anyone defeat the god of war himself, what will be the meaning of him being the god of war if he can be defeated by anyone else rather than shiva or vishnu.

I ask this once again, if we consider all the warriors from all the yugas including MB warriors and Krishna's sons, is kartikeya the best warrior only second to shiva and vishnu?

Ok, couldn't find any other place to post.

Why Rushimunis & ancient yogis assume Mahadev's Shape form ?

What was need ?

we know that he is shapeless