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Posted: 9 years ago

#71

Originally posted by: _Angie_

No doubt about ekalavyas hardwork and sincerity as a student but it was morally wrong on his part to watch Dronacharya's classes on the sly and then practice what he had learnt from a teacher against his permission. Remember, even Parashuram had cursed Karna for obtaining knowledge from him in the guise of a brahmin? Dronacharya did similarly.

But what choice did they have? Living in an era of rigid social structures and discrimination, where certain kinds of knowledge was specifically reserved for privileged groups, how does a talented kid who is passionate in such knowledge learn?

Imagine doing that today, barring ethnic minorities or women from education? I don't find anything morally unacceptabe with what Eklavya did.

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Posted: 9 years ago

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I think MB is a great text because the balance of power. Bhishma had an advantage of controlling his death, no matter what that was an unfair advantage to their camp and also nobody should have an absolute power. Also kinda symbolic Shikhandi took him down. Such a mind war , this one.

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Posted: 9 years ago

#73

Originally posted by: Heisenberg17.

But what choice did they have? Living in an era of rigid social structures and discrimination, where certain kinds of knowledge was specifically reserved for privileged groups, how does a talented kid who is passionate in such knowledge learn?

Imagine doing that today, barring ethnic minorities or women from education? I don't find anything morally unacceptabe with what Eklavya did.

Sigh..this caste system paradox is so weird. It wasn't rigid nor was it only "by birth" during MB times.You have way too many examples of it. Even Yudi in MB while talking to Naga nathusa mentioned, " And a Sudra is not a Sudra by birth alone, nor a Brahmana is Brahmana by birth alone. He, it is said by the wise, in whom are seen those virtues is a Brahmana. And people term him a Sudra in whom those qualities do not exist, even though he be a Brahmana by birth."

At MHB 8:45 is the following passage:

"Among the Bahlikas one at first becomes a Brahmana and then he becomes a Kshatriya. Indeed, a Vahika would, after that, become a Vaishya, and then a Shudra, and then a barber. Having become a barber, he would then again become a brahmana. Returning to the status of a brahmana, he would again become a slave. One person in a family becomes a brahmana: all the others act as they like."

There are so many examples of kshatriyas taking to Brahmna or vice-versa. Even Eklavya wasn't at a disadvantage, he did train to be a warrior ..learnt different skill sets and went on to be jarasandha's right hand man , apart from being the king.

You have Bheem marrying a demon wife . Caste for all it\s worth seemed fluid. Wasn't the Rajmaata a Fish market Princess? There is enough inter-caste marriages at the highest level.

You had a very free society..only in terms of fiction, you basically had Kunti begetting children from different men..the whole Pandavas, Kaurav line is shady because of the process "how" they happened. 😆

The fact that Eklavya approached a RajGuru who was hired as a private tutor only for the Royal Princes seem far greater reason for rebuking Eklavya than anything else. We might scorn over it but then it was his dharama to serve his job especially after being kicked out by Drupad.

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Posted: 9 years ago

#74

It was more about varnas back then and varnas followed one of two models - color-based or behavioral-based:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varna_(Hinduism)#The_Epics

There was no superior varna per se and Santi Parva in Mahabharat acknowledges it as much:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/pankaj-jain-phd/varna-and-caste-system-of_b_877981.html

But yeah, somewhere along the way, it all went to hell in a hand basket.

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Posted: 9 years ago

#75

Originally posted by: _Angie_
The virtual and real world merged in Pokemon go and what a craze its become just a week into its launch. It got people moving into the real world to catch the pokemon in the virtual world 😆 Sounds crazy but it seems set to take the world by storm!!!

But it is incredibly awesome..and literally takes the whole VR-Augmented reality concept to new heights..

THe world has just become a very interesting piece..

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I am quite surprised no one has tried real time audience involvement in a movie/drama..

It would be so epic..

Imagine, while watching a movie in a theatre, you are actually in control of how the story progresses

I have such a clear well defined implementation and delivery process etched out.. only if I could find a director/production house..

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Posted: 9 years ago

#76

Originally posted by: charminggenie

Sigh..this caste system paradox is so weird. It wasn't rigid nor was it only "by birth" during MB times.You have way too many examples of it. Even Yudi in MB while talking to Naga nathusa mentioned, " And a Sudra is not a Sudra by birth alone, nor a Brahmana is Brahmana by birth alone. He, it is said by the wise, in whom are seen those virtues is a Brahmana. And people term him a Sudra in whom those qualities do not exist, even though he be a Brahmana by birth."

Sorry to cut short your post.

This also gets ratified by the astrological science...

(Lets say like zodiac signs, even astrology does some kind of bucketing into the four classes - Shudra, Vaisya etc)... and this is about the personality..

Just quoting it in support of the fact that caste system wasn't always about the family you are born into..

Didn't the harrappan/Indus civ have the caste/ tags system only to classify occupation of people/families - the religious aspects and unqualified limitations/prejudices evolved later?

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enigmatic_zephy

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Posted: 9 years ago

#77

I wonder..

If they just called ebony skin tone - Asuras..

and the fair , pretty kashmiri kinds - Devas

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souro

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Posted: 9 years ago

#78

Originally posted by: enigmatic_zephy
I wonder..
If they just called ebony skin tone - Asuras..

and the fair , pretty kashmiri kinds - Devas

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But Rama, Krishna, Draupadi all were dark skinned.

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charminggenie

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Posted: 9 years ago

#79

Originally posted by: enigmatic_zephy

Sorry to cut short your post.

This also gets ratified by the astrological science...
(Lets say like zodiac signs, even astrology does some kind of bucketing into the four classes - Shudra, Vaisya etc)... and this is about the personality..

Just quoting it in support of the fact that caste system wasn't always about the family you are born into..

Didn't the harrappan/Indus civ have the caste/ tags system only to classify occupation of people/families - the religious aspects and unqualified limitations/prejudices evolved later?

Zeph..what sorry , I blabber anyway.😆

I think Astro varnas are to deduce the nakshtra and the moon sign thing..it has nothing to do with personality but to understand the basic chart . i am not into astro but yeah thats how they work.

What I feel is with constant invasions or lack of central Hindu rule, society took to describing the castes in the most basic structured and regressive sense. People took to it as a form of "Hinduism " basically to protect the religion..or the social structure of that time period. The shift is visible even in the literature. Literary translations of the same text have different tones across eras , interpretations vary depending on the real time social system.

Indus valley people didn't have a Ruler or King of sorts no? They had high priests or something. i think they organised the society for the balance and peace. Doubt it was for religious reasons ..we don\'t know what text of sect they followed.

Naaw, our ancestors didn't practice colourism , it's a colonial hangover. You have had the major beautiful Princesses and all those Apsaras to be dusky . Goddesses were described to be dusky..Gods too. One of the oldest known civilisation is of Dravidians and speculations be even Indus Valley had Dravidian roots.

Cannot stand the Pokeman craze..why do people even play video games. Boring.

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