Tired of debating? Have a break... have a Chit Chat - Page 6

Originally posted by: charminggenie

Why fight it out when thats never going to happen. Modi will never let it happen..so I will sit pretty and not waste time. Swamy himself will never want to be one. 😛

Originally posted by: souro

It might never happen, but how suitable/ unsuitable do you think Swamy is as a candidate for the position of FM?

Btw, if you don't mind me asking, is your job related to political analysis or something of that sort?

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

I resent this.

Arjuna was the greatest archer of his times. In Bhagavad Gita, Chapter 10, Verse 37, Lord himself says that "Of the descendants of Vrsni I am Vasudeva, and of the Pandavas I am Arjuna."

Harry Potter, by all accounts that I came across online, is an immature, prepubescent, fk!

Originally posted by: enigmatic_zephy

You forget Eklavya .. and the politics behind making Arjuna whatever he became

Originally posted by: souro

I think Arjuna was less at fault here compared to Dronacharya and to some extent even Eklavya. Arjuna was free to crib and he was just acting like a whiny kid, but as his teacher and as the adult one there, Dronacharya should have showed more maturity. What he did is extremely selfish. Rather than making Arjuna practice more and teaching him to even higher standards to fulfil the promise he made, Dronacharya chose a shortcut which essentially weakens his student's position as the best archer in the long run.

Basically DC realized that Eklavya is so gifted and hard working on top of that.. that no matter what he teaches (or if he is capable of teaching enough), Arjun is never going to surpass him..

And down goes the talent..

Hello World!.. Money and Power play (family status) wins

There are couple of reasons I hold Eklavya responsible as well. First of all, it was his own hard work that made Eklavya what he was, there was no necessity to identify himself as Dronacharya's student when he was not. He should have had the self belief to understand his own worth, or at least someone close to him should have told him that. Secondly, even if Dronacharya asked for his thumb, he could've refused it. As far as I know, a guru can't ask for something as gurudakshina which he knows will harm the student, then he ceases to be a guru.

Originally posted by: souro

I think Arjuna was less at fault here compared to Dronacharya and to some extent even Eklavya. Arjuna was free to crib and he was just acting like a whiny kid, but as his teacher and as the adult one there, Dronacharya should have showed more maturity. What he did is extremely selfish. Rather than making Arjuna practice more and teaching him to even higher standards to fulfil the promise he made, Dronacharya chose a shortcut which essentially weakens his student's position as the best archer in the long run.

I held similar views as a kid but later came across some details that explain Dronacharya's actions.

However, Arjuna remains a whiny kid till date 😆

Dronacharya was the rajguru of Hastinapur hence it was his responsibility to tutor the princes into able warriors and best ones at that. Eklavya belonged to the Nishad tribe that had some trouble and fights with the Hastinapur kingdom. Training Eklavya , who was the enemy tribal chieftain's sonin warfare would have been against Hastinapur's interests hence Dronacharyas refusal to take Eklavya under his tutelage.

There are couple of reasons I hold Eklavya responsible as well. First of all, it was his own hard work that made Eklavya what he was, there was no necessity to identify himself as Dronacharya's student when he was not. He should have had the self belief to understand his own worth, or at least someone close to him should have told him that.

Secondly, even if Dronacharya asked for his thumb, he could've refused it. As far as I know, a guru can't ask for something as gurudakshina which he knows will harm the student, then he ceases to be a guru.

No doubt about ekalavyas hardwork and sincerity as a student but it was morally wrong on his part to watch Dronacharya's classes on the sly and then practice what he had learnt from a teacher against his permission. Remember, even Parashuram had cursed Karna for obtaining knowledge from him in the guise of a brahmin? Dronacharya did similarly.

No self respecting student would have gone back on his word or with held gurudakshina to his teacher in those days. We live in a different era now. Yet it feels good to come across old values. Just a while ago I came across a father-son duo who had come to pay" gurudakshina" ( as the father put it) to their ailing retired professor by donating their blood for his surgery.

It felt good to learn that Eklavya went on to become a good archer despite sacrificing his thumb and Krishna tricked him later into not participating in the MB war. That validates his Eklavyas expertise. Out of respect for Eklavya, to this day his tribe practice archery without using the thumb. Co-incidentally, just a couple of days ago, I came across a picture of some of the Nisahad archers shooting arrows using just the index and middle fingers!