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Posted: 8 years ago
^Dude, I understand if you think it's offensive but then you are the FM for a reason, talk to Amazon behind the scene rather than throwing a hissy fit on twitter and let the world know how stupid you are. Bloody Door-mats would be sellin like hot cakes now. These products could have removed very gracefully(behind the scenes) but nahi we need twitter tamasha.😆
Amazon was/is planning to invest a 3 Billion$ plan in india , this won't affect that but ofcourse the chuckle . If we want to be a strong and respected nation then our GOI should act maturely.
Edited by charminggenie - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: charminggenie

^Dude, I understand if you think it's offensive but then you are the FM for a reason, talk to Amazon behind the scene rather than throwing a hissy fit on twitter and let the world know how stupid you are. Bloody Door-mats would be sellin like hot cakes now. These products could have removed very gracefully(behind the scenes) but nahi we need twitter tamasha.😆

Amazon was/is planning to invest a 3 Billion$ plan in india , this won't affect that but ofcourse the chuckle . If we want to be a strong and respected nation then our GOI should act maturely.


True. Really embarassing over reaction from India. A polite contact with Amazon would have done it. But we wouldn't be Indians without the drama would we? 😆
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Posted: 8 years ago
It wouldn't hurt Amazon to respect cultural differences as a business policy. We know the reactions that can get evoked when people disregard it. Not too long ago the world witnessed it when they drew some cartoons. Why provoke needlessly! How mature is that?
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: _Angie_

It wouldn't hurt Amazon to respect cultural differences as a business policy. We know the reactions that can get evoked when people disregard it. Not too long ago the world witnessed it when they drew some cartoons. Why provoke needlessly! How mature is that?


It wasn't a new product( they have been selling it for some time) and they are a 3rd-party. They give space but the product is manufactured somewhere else and by someone who would continue selling it,even now. No nation has protested against it.

GOI acted on a tweet by a random poster and issuing a threat to the organization telling them that all visas will be evoked, is an immature step. When given her office's standing, a mere phone-call would have done the job. Whats next , should we look for products and countries who might be manufacturing products which affect out sentiments?

If Amazon had refused to remove the objects or had taken the GOI to court, someone could have argued that such a threat was the last resort. But a Govt Minister acting out a tamasha on sns like that is plain stupid.


The cartoon-reaction was silly too but it was the over-reaction that was sad and pathetic . We cannot shun society like that especially about things and people we have no jurisdiction.
Amazon didn't sell the object in India- hence was following the business policy of cultural difference for it's Indian market segment. But why should they respect Indian sentiments while distributing a product in Canada? Also when the same product with other flags is stomped by Indians and bought on Amazon india. What is next now, Sushma calling in Canada and telling it to arrest people with door-mats with Indian flags? What was the objective here?

Edited by charminggenie - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
^^Being a party whether it be 2nd or 3rd , you share a responsibility.
When we speak of cultural differences it is self explanatory that it does not matter whether some other nation finds an issue offensive or not.
The ministers reaction may be perceived as an over reaction but not stupid considering its election time in the country and people vote on sentiments.

Why shouldn't Amazon respect Indian sentiments while selling a product anywhere for that matter? Lets take the cartoon eg again. The cartoon wasn't drawn in its native country so why the outrage? Respect or sentiments don't get diminished by changing the geographical boundaries! If people feel that their holy book or any revered symbol or idol gets disrespected then it is common (not saying justified) to feel offended regardless of when or where it occurred. Disrespect is disrespect as long as it is perceived to be so. There would be differences in a nations as well as an individual's perception of what constitutes respect and the appropriateness of ones reaction to it.

Anyway, no harm done. No lives lost. Just a bit of drama. Personally I don't think one should try to thrust onesbown idea of respect or disrespect on others. Its all subjective. Similarly people differ in their reaction to such issues depending on their conditionings and sometimes it could also be motivated. Nothing really surprising in that.

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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: _Angie_

Why shouldn't Amazon respect Indian sentiments while selling a product anywhere for that matter?


Every business should respect the sentiments of people (within reason).

You are operating under the assumption that Amazon does not respect Indian sentiments and intended to disrespect them.

A few factors to keep in mind
- Culture varies and businesses try to operate under the culture of their market
- There is no one size fits all model of doing business. With over a 195 countries and multitudes of cultures within each country, it is impossible to please all.
- Amazon is also a marketplace for other sellers. While Amazon has control over its sellers it is not possible to manage them 24/7

Indians should have understood that flag paraphernalia is popular in North America, including ones based on US flags and let Amazon cater to its local markets. Even if they took offense they should have handled it in a mature manner. I can understand civilians getting riled up. However, Sushma Swaraj should know better than to make threats about visas et all on twitter and handle the matter diplomatically. A lot of harm was done. Indian diplomacy is now an international joke.

Or perhaps Sushma Swaraj is in training to conduct all her business in the same manner as our President elect.
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Posted: 8 years ago
There is nothing "liberal" about desecrating a national flag, unless we are talking (like "dreamers" do) about a world without borders.Flags, anthems et al are symbolic of the national identity. You have men and women fighting their whole lives defending the country to uphold the notion of a nation so I don't understand how dishonoring the symbol of the nation is not the same as dishonoring the men and women fighting to defend the borders of the nation. Even in US, there is a flag code when displaying the flag or saluting the flag or disposing the flag. There are Do's and Don'ts of flag etiquette.

I hate the far-left.


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Posted: 8 years ago
If the sentiment of dishonoring the flag is so universal why isn't every country with a flag doormat on Amazon freaking out? There is a US flag doormat available as well.
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Posted: 8 years ago
Why is it that Indians object the most when another Indian protests against something anti-Indian? Is it some current fad to slam anything that is perceived as nationalism?
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: souro

Why is it that Indians object the most when another Indian protests against something anti-Indian? Is it some current fad to slam anything that is perceived as nationalism?


Donald Trump and the right say the same thing about liberals criticizing Americans.
BLM protesters say the same thing about black people criticizing BLM

Few factors
- we are indeed harder on ourselves than others
- we are less insulated from those like us
- we are more insulated from those unlike us

All combined give the impression that we are against ourselves the most.

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