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Posted: 10 years ago

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Originally posted by: _Angie_

That's it ! It surely would have made it look more unbiased and avoided the ensuing controversy.

she said she was already in huge debt how could she cover up the universal issue and she couldnt even afford Nirbhaya friend interview. She herself has set a bad example and next time I doubt if government will bother to give permission to shoot any documentary on Indian soil. Its like she came into private garden, she picked up flowers of her choice and ran away without showing whats she is taking with her. If next time she is denied visa again it will become international issue.

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Posted: 10 years ago

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Originally posted by: 9tanki

Correct me if I am wrong, aren't visa regulations different from the law of the land? If visa regulations are violated they are thrown out of the country. If the law of the land is broken, they are subject to trial and punishment. Which LAW was broken?

Also, when they make a documentary about rape in general, they could probably show the universality of the problem. But this one was on Nirbhaya which shocked the world with it's brutality.

Or does noting the universality of the issue make our society less culpable in this incident or violence against women in general? Is the excuse 'they also do it'?😲

I am one of those who watched the documentary. I happen to think that she did a very good job on it. The journo's voice is hardly heard. She just gives the audience both sides of it. The culprits and their lawyers as well as Nirbhaya's supporters.

Frankly, I hope every Indian gets to watch it. Not for self flagellation. Just to impress upon people how repugnant views like those of the lawyers' are. To make it unacceptable to express such attitudes.To build social (not governmental) pressure against such barely concealed violence in behavior

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Originally posted by: AnuMP

Correct me if I am wrong, aren't visa regulations different from the law of the land? If visa regulations are violated they are thrown out of the country. If the law of the land is broken, they are subject to trial and punishment. Which LAW was broken?

Also, when they make a documentary about rape in general, they could probably show the universality of the problem. But this one was on Nirbhaya which shocked the world with it's brutality.

Or does noting the universality of the issue make our society less culpable in this incident or violence against women in general? Is the excuse 'they also do it'?😲

I am one of those who watched the documentary. I happen to think that she did a very good job on it. The journo's voice is hardly heard. She just gives the audience both sides of it. The culprits and their lawyers as well as Nirbhaya's supporters.

Frankly, I hope every Indian gets to watch it. Not for self flagellation. Just to impress upon people how repugnant views like those of the lawyers' are. To make it unacceptable to express such attitudes.To build social (not governmental) pressure against such barely concealed violence in behavior

If Leslee udwin got visa for shooting documentary film, then first thing she had to do after finishing her film, she had to show it to the authorities and get it cleared. Leslee herself claim she stayed in India for 2 year for shooting of the film. Government record shows she didnt renew her shooting visa, which means she should be on tourist visa, and on torurist visa making film is not allowed. She broke the rule there.

When someone gets visa for film shooting, rule clearly states that filmmaker need to show the film to the respective authority and get it cleared before airing it but instead they aired inspite of government ban.

Documentary was named India's Daugther but we get a chance to read the mindset of the rapist. Will this documentary help criminal psychologist in understanding rapist behavior ? or did she show any criminal psychologist pov on this rapist ? Isnt this documentary glorifying rapist.

I don't watch much serial but I do know there are different serials "crime patrol, savdhan India, code red, bhavar, and some criminal related shows on some news channel" that comes everyday with messages and shows one need to be alert all the time to prevent such crime and newspaper and other Indian media do report all the gruesome crime that happens on the street.

If Leslee really wanted to give the documentary as gift to India, she shouldnt have preponed telecast in UK and disrespected government.

Unfortunately those rapist don't see such documentary/such informative serial.

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Posted: 10 years ago

#644

Originally posted by: AnuMP

Correct me if I am wrong, aren't visa regulations different from the law of the land? If visa regulations are violated they are thrown out of the country. If the law of the land is broken, they are subject to trial and punishment. Which LAW was broken?

Also, when they make a documentary about rape in general, they could probably show the universality of the problem. But this one was on Nirbhaya which shocked the world with it's brutality.

Or does noting the universality of the issue make our society less culpable in this incident or violence against women in general? Is the excuse 'they also do it'?😲

I am one of those who watched the documentary. I happen to think that she did a very good job on it. The journo's voice is hardly heard. She just gives the audience both sides of it. The culprits and their lawyers as well as Nirbhaya's supporters.

Frankly, I hope every Indian gets to watch it. Not for self flagellation. Just to impress upon people how repugnant views like those of the lawyers' are. To make it unacceptable to express such attitudes.To build social (not governmental) pressure against such barely concealed violence in behavior

If you have lived in India, probably you dont need to watch documentaries to know the mindsets. You already know from experience. For me it had nothing new, but like i said earlier its only certain people with mindset like that not everyone. Also it is not easy to change mindsets, it takes generations. Will take us 100 more years. For now leave the country if you are repelled by these morons or carry on fighting them

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Posted: 10 years ago

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Again, visa regulations are not LAW. If Ms Udwin is being accused of breaking the LAW, they should say which one

As for the documentary, she presented the 2 sides very simply. Why would she need to present criminal psychologists, if she is not feeling the need to?😕 I think the documentary worked beautifully because she kept it factual. There were no opinions involved. There was definitely no glorification involved. Please tell me if there was one person who claimed to have seen it, who said, YAY, let me go out and rape!😲

Or was that the problem for the government? That there were no excuses for it? That there are many, many others in the society who think like this? That they know that there will never be safety, forget equality, while these criminals still walk free? And that these attitudes are perhaps also held by our near and dear ones?

Sweeping it under the rug will not make it go away. The first step to solving a problem is to admit that there is one

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Again, visa regulations are not LAW. If Ms Udwin is being accused of breaking the LAW, they should say which one

As for the documentary, she presented the 2 sides very simply. Why would she need to present criminal psychologists, if she is not feeling the need to?😕 I think the documentary worked beautifully because she kept it factual. There were no opinions involved. There was definitely no glorification involved. Please tell me if there was one person who claimed to have seen it, who said, YAY, let me go out and rape!😲

Or was that the problem for the government? That there were no excuses for it? That there are many, many others in the society who think like this? That they know that there will never be safety, forget equality, while these criminals still walk free? And that these attitudes are perhaps also held by our near and dear ones?

Sweeping it under the rug will not make it go away. The first step to solving a problem is to admit that there is one

Visa is regulated and there is section in The Foreigners Act, 1946 which states that a person can be put behind bar for breaking law and thats the reason she fled away and now making all kind of statement from outside India and doing publicity of her film.

Anyways I want to see government taking action against such criminal (terrorist and rapist) first and make changes in the law to deal with criminal or atleast allow people to get rid of such people like they did in nagaland

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Why I Will Make My Teenage Girl Watch India's Daughter

Over the last few days I have heard arguments both for and against the ban on Leslee Udwin's controversial BBC documentary India's Daughter. I will confess at the outset that I have watched the documentary and found it to be brutally honest and extremely disturbing.

As a mother of a teenage girl, I was appalled by the justification for the crime provided by the rapist and was disgusted by the lawyer who compared women to flowers and diamonds that essentially invite trouble if left out in the open. The rapist goes on to talk about how the intention was to punish the victim for being out at 9pm with a male friend. The ruthless sexual violence, the graphic details, it is all stomach-churning.

However, in spite of all this, I will still make my daughter watch the documentary. As a teenager belonging to a middle-class family, she is cocooned from the harsh reality of the discrimination Indian women face on a daily basis. It would be fair to say that until now the only discrimination she has encountered is her belief that some of her teachers are biased towards other students. Being a good student she believes what she reads in her social science book--boys and girls are equal in India with equal opportunities as per the Constitution of this country. That should go straight out of the window after watching the documentary.

Though I would like her to live her life without ever encountering a misogynist like the lawyer in the documentary or worse, the rapist, I know my prayers and wishes are not going to be enough. She should not live under the illusion that ours is an equal society or that the law of the land will support her. Watching India's Daughter should effectively make her aware that dressing up according to her whims and fancies is not for an Indian girl, and if she is able to study and go out it is a privilege and not the norm.

As an Indian girl, it is better for her to be aware that she must think twice before smiling innocently or feeling the wind in her hair... for all you know someone might not agree with her choice of shoes on that particular day and might decide to punish her for that.

She should keep in mind that most Indian men don't think of girls as individuals; they exist only to carry the burden of patriarchy. It is good to be aware that if you don't dress up properly, a passerby on the road has the authority/gumption to punish you so badly that you are scarred for life. The documentary would educate her that some rules are not made to be broken and one does so only at one's own peril.

Don't get me wrong. As a mother I would want her to live her life away from the very scent of the deep-rooted misogyny that exists in India today. But I am aware of the fact that where the safety of my daughter is concerned, ignorance is not bliss.

Will she forgive me for shattering her bubble of living in a liberal, educated society? Will she dare to dream after watching the horrific documentary? Probably not, but I really don't care as long as she comes back home safe and sound every evening.

http://www.huffingtonpost.in/gagandeep-kaur/why-i-will-make-my-teenag_b_6884000.html?utm_hp_ref=india

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Originally posted by: .Verity.
Why I Will Make My Teenage Girl Watch India's Daughter
She should not live under the illusion that ours is an equal society or that the law of the land will support her. Watching India's Daughter should effectively make her aware that dressing up according to her whims and fancies is not for an Indian girl,

As an Indian girl, it is better for her to be aware that she must think twice before smiling innocently or feeling the wind in her hair... for all you know someone might not agree with her choice of shoes on that particular day and might decide to punish her for that.
She should keep in mind that most Indian men don't think of girls as individuals; they exist only to carry the burden of patriarchy. It is good to be aware that if you don't dress up properly, a passerby on the road has the authority/gumption to punish you so badly that you are scarred for life. The documentary would educate her that some rules are not made to be broken and one does so only at one's own peril.

Don't get me wrong. As a mother I would want her to live her life away from the very scent of the deep-rooted misogyny that exists in India today. But I am aware of the fact that where the safety of my daughter is concerned, ignorance is not bliss.

Will she forgive me for shattering her bubble of living in a liberal, educated society? Will she dare to dream after watching the horrific documentary? Probably not, but I really don't care as long as she comes back home safe and sound every evening.
http://www.huffingtonpost.in/gagandeep-kaur/why-i-will-make-my-teenag_b_6884000.html?utm_hp_ref=india

Once again well done, this documentary has such a positive effect on urban thinkers 👏

I did work in India for couple of years but I was never scared of taking the local train after 11 pm from Churchgate to Borivali and neither was I bothered about dresses that I was wearing. I just hate when some girls start thinking of themselves as burden and inferior to men. Anyways she is setting wrong example.

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Posted: 10 years ago

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The university here is having a viewing of india's daughter and discussion this Sunday.

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Originally posted by: 9tanki

Once again well done, this documentary has such a positive effect on urban thinkers 👏
I did work in India for couple of years but I was never scared of taking the local train after 11 pm from Churchgate to Borivali and neither was I bothered about dresses that I was wearing. I just hate when some girls start thinking of themselves as burden and inferior to men. Anyways she is setting wrong example.

they are men which stay in gangs at night that are waiting for opportunity to rape girls. The mother of the two girls that were raped and hanged afterwards said "I would take my daughter to defecate in the field, but as my husband was not feeling well I was busy helping him so I sent her with the other girl, this community they had in their village were seeing the girl with her mother going to defecate in the field and didn't attack her but they see two girls its free licence to grab her and rape them both and to hide their crime they hang them, just like the documentary was saying the lawyers mentality and the rapist said after us now the rapists will kill the girls" "The mother said even she is frightened to go outside in the field at night and their toilet that's where they go" Its not as if its one girl against one boy even that would be impossible because they are physically stronger, if rape is their intention they will do it. A gang of men drinking and looking for sport.

Its precaution by the mother to say that to her daughter and show her the reality of life in India.

I will post another article by another mother with her kids her experience in Delhi, below.