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Posted: 15 years ago
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welcome to DM Mr K
am sure u'll be an awesome addition 😃
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: Mister.K.


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I am aware that if I zoom in on any event, object, being or form I could find infinite number of structures and substructures within those structures. Conversely, I am aware that if I zoom out, I could find just ONE structure. For some unknown reason, I placed myself at the median point of the universal scale. What is my rationale in doing so?
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Somehow I dont believe that something can be infinite. Infinite appears to be the limitation or incapability of mathematics as a language to explain something. Or at best infinite is an illusion.

Moreover, according to mathematics, if things are infinite then the median will be infinite or undefined too.


Edited by karandel_2008 - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: Mister.K.

Every single debate that has taken place so far, every single debate that is happening now, every single debate that might happen in the future is raging inside me already.

Kal, aaj aur kal - How would one know they got they got the sequence right?

I am aware that all debates arise because of my tendency to label. To make matters worse, I created an infinite number of groups and entities and I continue to create more while perpetually searching for answers as to which entity belongs to which group. I am cognizant of the fact that the entities I created are variable over time. I am mindful of the fact that the groups I created are variable over time. If that is so, then why am I comparing and contrasting so much? What is my purpose?
Your purpose appears to be looking for some order in what seems to be utterly chaotic - a chaos that you have created yourself. Life could be as simple or as complex as we want it to be.
I am aware that if I zoom in on any event, object, being or form I could find infinite number of structures and substructures within those structures. Conversely, I am aware that if I zoom out, I could find just ONE structure. For some unknown reason, I placed myself at the median point of the universal scale. What is my rationale in doing so?
Seems like you prefer sitting on the fence so that you don't have to think too hard to defend any one position that you could have taken. You seem to be so focused on questions that, at times, you overlook the answers staring you in your face.
Could it be that all the events have already taken place in less than a planck time and all I am doing is arranging them in my memory? Is every single experience of mine just a memory?
Doesn't matter how long it takes for something to take place, arranging that event in memory takes about the same amount of effort. Yes, all our experiences are reduced to mere memories over time. This is why I say - keep the lesson but lose the experience. It helps me in keeping me positive.

Other aspect could be that there is no such thing as a memory because a parallel universe is created every single second that moves on from this second to the next. If that is the case then all our experiences/memories may just be an illusion for us because how would we know what exactly happened in the numerous parallel universes between which we live our entire life?
Who am I?
Depends on the scenario/context. Here, you are K. At home you are someone's hubby, son, brother, nephew......at work you are someone's boss, employee.........

Which one of you are you trying to find?



Darn it, K --- WHY TODAY!!! Why not around wednesday this week😡
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: karandel_2008



Somehow I dont believe that something can be infinite. Infinite appears to be the limitation or incapability of mathematics as a language to explain something. Or at best infinite is an illusion.

Moreover, according to mathematics, if things are infinite then the median will be infinite or undefined too.




Brilliant point, Karan.

I faced something like this while testing my company's revenue and costs based on POC (Percentage of Completion) method of revenue recognition for our integrated well construction project in Mexico. More on that later. Just had to let you know that I liked the point you made above.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: Mister.K.

I don't know why I began. But began, I did. I don't know why I will end. But end, I will. Is it because, I am conditioned to think that there is a beginning and there will be an end to everything? Why am I not conscious of what happened before the beginning? Why am I not conscious of what happens after the end? What was everything before I stepped in? What is everything after I step out? If at one point I wasn't part of everything and if at one point I am not going to be a part of everything then should it even be considered as everything? Or is it that I participated in everything, and will participate in everything, in different forms and by different means, all the time?

Why am I not able to grasp the scope of the word everything? In the same breath, what does the term nothing, when viewed in isolation, mean to me? What is the significance of "all the time"?

I don't know the exact split second I became conscious. I wouldn't know the exact split second I will become unconscious. I don't know the very first entity I was conscious of. I wouldn't know the very last entity I would be conscious of. At the beginning of all begins, was I conscious of the others around me or was I conscious of what was "around" or was I just conscious of me? At the very last of the last, would I be conscious of the others around me or would I be conscious of what would be "around" or would I be only conscious of me?

In between the first and the last state, in between my existence and non-existence, is there nothing but consciousness?

Why did I start categorizing as soon as I became conscious? I labeled the biggest of the big as the Universe and the smallest of the small as a sub-atomic, fundamental particle-wave. I categorized entities into animated matter and inanimate matter. I divided and grouped at will. At the gigantic level, I ended up with galaxies, clusters of galaxies and super clusters of galaxies. At the sub-atomic level, I ended up with quarks, gluons and leptons. I am still not satisfied. I want to divide more. I want to group more. I want to classify more. Why?

I grouped entities into big and small. I tagged them tall and short. I pigeonholed them into beautiful and ugly. I sorted them out as smart and dumb. I debated with myself. I decided to like some. I decided to hate some. I decided what is wrong and what is right. I decided to believe or not believe in anything and everything as per my choice. I showered affection on some. I ignored some. In spite of all those efforts, in spite of my putting it all on one scale, I am still unable to reconcile on anything. I am hopelessly lost.

Why am I doing this? Am I trying to understand who I am by categorizing and looking at, what is essentially, ONE and the SAME entity in a gazillion different ways? Is my purpose in doing so just to understand consciousness? Is consciousness trying to understand itself, thru me?

What did I understand so far? What do I strive to understand in future?

Who am I? --Once you understand it, you drop it... The why is ridiculous. Rather than asking, Who am I,Why am I here?....once you stop all nonsense thinking and you start delighting in life, once you are no longer a philosopher, the why is answered. Bt it is not answered by anyone from the outside, it is answered by your own life energy.....the anwr is going to be existential, nt intelectual... The question is intellectual. Drop it.... Rather, be! Otherwise, you can go on asking... For centuries man has asked millions of qustionssss..... nt a single question has been solved by speculation, thinking, logic, or reason....... Nt even a single question has been solved..... On the contrary, whenevr people have tried to answer a question, the answer has created a thousand and one more questions.....but its good...I believe searching is better than blind faith or believe..keep it up.😊

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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: Gauri_3



Brilliant point, Karan.

I faced something like this while testing my company's revenue and costs based on POC (Percentage of Completion) method of revenue recognition for our integrated well construction project in Mexico. More on that later. Just had to let you know that I liked the point you made above.

In China it is all cash accounting, back to basics and no intangibles or accruals allowed.😆
so at the median would represent the twilight when it is neither day nor night.
But in China all is either black or white and nothing in between.
The search for the "I" is a basic, honest and sincere enquiry and search.
Here the mind is turned against its own self and the mind has to stop short on its tracks and look inwards. Problem is we are too ingrained in body identification. But the body turns to dust and ashes upon death but the "I" persists.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: debayon

^^ You alright there, sir? You seem to be depressed.

😲 😆 Deb, he was sharing his thoughts... 😛 😆
Who m I? I am human being 😆
Very nice post Mr.K... 😃 👏
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Yes, I have thoughts popping up every waking second that I am conscious. Some of the thoughts question other thoughts. Some of the thoughts ridicule other thoughts. Some of the thoughts tell the other thoughts to shut the hell up and give up thinking. Some of the thoughts concur with other thoughts. Some thoughts are meek. Some thoughts are aggressive. Some thoughts throttle and maim and kill other thoughts. Some thoughts emerge triumphant. Some thoughts are lost forever. I have absolutely no recollection of those thoughts.

Some thoughts are lucid and have connectivity. Some thoughts are bizarre. Some thoughts appear and disappear at lightening speed.
Some thoughts are strong. They have evolved over time.
All the while, my senses are involved in a feeding frenzy. They soak up as much diversity as possible. They make sure that the thoughts do not stop popping up.
The only time the thoughts are kept at a minimum is when I fall sleep. That is when the thoughts are sorted out but that action results mostly in overlaps.
I find it extremely disturbing that the thoughts have a 1:1 correspondence with people. The parallels between thoughts and people are mindboggling.
Amidst all this, one single thought always stood vibrant. It is pure reason. In a slow, deliberate fashion it asks only one thing, constantly, without any hesitation. WHO AM I?

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Posted: 15 years ago
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Mister.K, how could I have missed your DM debut? I have been hoping to see you post here for so long. Anyway, it is too late night for me to do justice to this topic. I definitely will have some thoughts to add and some questions to ask when my mind is more alert.

Although, that does bring one thought to mind. Is the mind constant? Why does it make a difference if my mind is tired or alert? Is a thought not just a thought?
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Posted: 15 years ago
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I guess in knowing the real "I" the false "I" falls off; the real "I" being the universal I that exists in all and the false "I" being the individual ego or our personality. So basically we either exist in the temporal manifested world which is cognized by our senses or in the unmanifested state of consciousness.

Logically to continue in this finite world a bit of ego or the false "I" is needed it seems. But once the univesal "I" is experienced it would be quite a challenge to continue to stay here in the finite world.
Some say that the soul is caught in a dream world and by repeating the Mahavakyas we might we able to wake up from this dream state that we are in.

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