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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: savvy05

Visi, loved the observations on their flashbacks reflecting most of their happy times and also the parallels with Gulzar's own life. Binder Kaka (A.K Hangal) what a true character artist, he was such an integral part in the past and present. A simple explanation that he offers between "memsaab" and "bitiya" usage was so heartfelt.

Doc, you dont believe in happily ever after😲, I would have not known😛 "
So they stay true to their calling, their goals, their values and still manage to share a love." - fantastic summary of the ending, not one more word to add⭐️

Hum bhi aapse ILU dammit. There is an unique charm in watching movies older and hopefully wiser😉, naivete free and discussing with friends with their own take on the same. MoM filled the gap of a book club which remains my SKD to date, of course the wonderful suggestions that come from the CC make it impossible for us drop the ball😃 So here is is to more wonderful movies and discussions👍🏼

@Bold: As Doc said, those actors were something else. I would like to add Farida Jalal to the list.
Book club!!! *salivating* Can we have one, please, please??? 😃
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Posted: 11 years ago
DrS: Same to same on our read of the movie - everything that it stands for and especially how it ends.
IWMG? 😆 Sounds like a great idea to celebrate each night and share the load - great fun for the kids, never mind the cultural lesson!


Visi: If only... if only their goals were mutually incompatible, if only parting weren't inevitable. I get the regret, but I guess I'm something of an optimist - sometime when he's a retired hotelier and she's a retired politician (although they never seem to retire! 😆) they'll have their time together and will make up for all the lost time. 😃 . For now peace of mind and a renewal of love is the wind beneath their wings.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: psarada


Visi, docgirl - brilliant takes. I loved both of your takes.

@bold:- The last time around I saw the movie was when I was about 21yrs or so and the one thing I always felt, even the last time around was - Was it worth it. I know it is not a question of win or lose or who did what but when I see Aarthi going away in helicopter leaving her chance of happiness with her daughter and JK, I always wondered, was it worth it? The ending was pretty open ended. Like JK says I will send manno to you but manno never will be fully complete neither would Aarthi and JK ever be.

I didn't know that it was partly Gulzar saab's story but makes sense and somehow I have felt the story more from JK's side and this has been the case always whenever I watched the movie. How strange, in the era of 70s and 80s we did have movies that told the different viewpoints on various subjects like extra-marital affairs/career woman/ but now we hardly have any movies that tackle these subjects in a mature manner.

Book club has always been my SKD Savs, but AD never gives me time to read. Now that I am slowly getting my girls into the world of books, I sure hope I can catch on some of them on/off.

Thanks Sarada.
You raise a legitimate point about any of it being worth it. I think both JK and Aarti would be asking themselves that very question whenever they are feeling low and missing each other. But that is also one of life's conundrums that really does not have any real, good, constant answer. It would vary from situation to situation. When Aarti wins a landslide victory and goes on to lead her government for the greater good of the people, her answer might be yes, it was worth it. Then again, when she attends Manno's graduation and sees her rush to hug her father and simply smile at her, then Arti;s answer might be different.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: purplenpink


Anyway, I digress..back to Aandhi. A movie where it does not end with a Happily Ever After as they go their own separate ways into the sunset and yet shayad this was the best way for them. Not ideal and maybe that yearning would always be there but they both recognized that they had travelled too far along their chosen paths to be able to walk a common one


Another really terrific interpretation - although somewhat sad. Now I'm in the If Only camp with Visi!

Always great to share the sweetness of the cupcake. Payal 🤗 Sorry about zaalim AD, hope the week is a good one with festival cheer.
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Posted: 11 years ago
Payalia🤗 cup cake wala hugs for keeping your vaada😉

More trivia on the songs ( I am all trivia mode the last couple of days😛). Apparently this bit appeared in an old Filmfare interview, could not find the original link from the magazine but found this quoted several times across various blogs..

The music of Aandhi was a big high for Pancham and me. In the song Is mod se jaate hain kuch sust kadam raste, there's a line Patthar ki haveli ko sheeshe ke gharondon mein, tinkon ke nasheman tak. After he'd composed the song, I found Pancham deep in thought. Suddenly, he asked me, "Gullu, where is this nasheman?" He thought it was the name of some place that the roads led to. I had to tell him that nasheman meant a ghosla or nest.

Cut to when we were shooting the song. This time it was Sanjeev's turn to ask me the same question. "I've never had to ask the meaning of any lyrics. But what does nasheman mean?" he queried.

As for Tere bina zindagi se, it simply happened one day at Pancham's house. I had dropped in and found him composing a tune for a Durga Pooja album with Gauri Prassano, one of Bengal's top lyricists. The lyrics went something like Amar deri holo je. I was so struck by the tune that I just started writing Hindi lyrics for it even as they were polishing it. After Gaurida left, Pancham asked me, "Now what do you want me to compose for you?" I told him, "Yehi gaana karenge."

So we kept the original tune for the mukhda, and he composed something else for the antara. But when I inserted some dialogue into the lyrics, Pancham scolded me, "Do you have any idea of sur and taal? You cut in with your dialogue anywhere you want. It's not done!" But we did it!

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Posted: 11 years ago
Enjoyed reading all of you. Work calls now. Wish I could have re watched the movie rather than a hazy memory of watching it ...some 35 years ago...or thereabouts. The fact that I haven't been able to rewatch any of the MoM tells me that there is something wrong with my life that I haven't been able to get in that time! Although fortunately have watched most of them...once upon a time...except of course the one that must not be mentioned...,(...I am with J on voldemort )...so have been able to enjoy all the discussions. But re watching as an adult I am sure will be a completely different perspective. Hoping to do better for the next MoM and actually watch ( or rewatch) the movie in time.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: purplenpink

Rabba Ve ladies..late coming in to the MoM discussion and had a sub-par and anxiety filled weekend but Savvy se vaada kiya tha to aana to tha hi🤗

Though after reading those beautiful takes here maybe I should not have bothered as I'm thinking kya boloon ab😊
When I think of Aandhi it's the music that first comes to mind and in a rather rare occurence it's the lyrics that steal the show even if just by a whisker. Visi ji has already shared some of those beautiful lines that are committed to memory. Continuing on the same path down memory lane-
patthar ki haveli ko sheeshe ke gharondon mein tinkon ke nasheman tak...ye sochke baithi hoon ek raah to vo hogi tum tak jo pahunchti hai is mod se jaate hain❤️ Beautiful beautiful words and the Kishore da- Lata Mangeshkar combo..words won't be able to do justice.
As for the movie..amazing performances by everyone. And like Doc said, I loved the side characters who made the roles their own so that they seemed perfectly cast in them. Whether it was Om Prakash surprisingly but so aptly cast as the right hand man, seasoned politician but with a heart? or Om Shiv Puri as the political rival. Rehman as the ambitious dad who felt his daughter was made for better things and wouldn't let the little matter of love come in the way of his ambitions for her.
And then there was Sanjeev Kumar- an absolutely brilliant actor whose understated style makes me a fan. Be it the insanely funny angoor or the husband who knows his wife is having an illicit relationship in Silsila or the thakur in sholay, he made several roles memorable.
Anyway, I digress..back to Aandhi. A movie where it does not end with a Happily Ever After as they go their own separate ways into the sunset and yet shayad this was the best way for them. Not ideal and maybe that yearning would always be there but they both recognized that they had travelled too far along their chosen paths to be able to walk a common one

Payalia🤗...hope AD gets better soon!!
Echo your words about the character actors and Sanjeev Kumar. He was my Mum's favourite actor...and remains to this day. Such a versatile actor...tragedy, comedy...and everything in between.
@Bold: I don't know what it is about those words, that song...it just makes me feel like crying my eyes out. The yearning that is at once overpowering, and sedate...almost matter of fact. *shakes head* Brilliant, brilliant stuff!!!
@Bold italics: Wonderfully said and so true👍🏼
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: savvy05

Payalia🤗 cup cake wala hugs for keeping your vaada😉

More trivia on the songs ( I am all trivia mode the last couple of days😛). Apparently this bit appeared in an old Filmfare interview, could not find the original link from the magazine but found this quoted several times across various blogs..

The music of Aandhi was a big high for Pancham and me. In the song Is mod se jaate hain kuch sust kadam raste, there's a line Patthar ki haveli ko sheeshe ke gharondon mein, tinkon ke nasheman tak. After he'd composed the song, I found Pancham deep in thought. Suddenly, he asked me, "Gullu, where is this nasheman?" He thought it was the name of some place that the roads led to. I had to tell him that nasheman meant a ghosla or nest.

Cut to when we were shooting the song. This time it was Sanjeev's turn to ask me the same question. "I've never had to ask the meaning of any lyrics. But what does nasheman mean?" he queried.

As for Tere bina zindagi se, it simply happened one day at Pancham's house. I had dropped in and found him composing a tune for a Durga Pooja album with Gauri Prassano, one of Bengal's top lyricists. The lyrics went something like Amar deri holo je. I was so struck by the tune that I just started writing Hindi lyrics for it even as they were polishing it. After Gaurida left, Pancham asked me, "Now what do you want me to compose for you?" I told him, "Yehi gaana karenge."

So we kept the original tune for the mukhda, and he composed something else for the antara. But when I inserted some dialogue into the lyrics, Pancham scolded me, "Do you have any idea of sur and taal? You cut in with your dialogue anywhere you want. It's not done!" But we did it!

Hugs for this awesome bit of trivia, Savs!!! Minute ago I said you are the best...was mistaken. You are bestest!!😃
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: soapsuds

Enjoyed reading all of you. Work calls now. Wish I could have re watched the movie rather than a hazy memory of watching it ...some 35 years ago...or thereabouts. The fact that I haven't been able to rewatch any of the MoM tells me that there is something wrong with my life that I haven't been able to get in that time! Although fortunately have watched most of them...once upon a time...except of course the one that must not be mentioned...,(...I am with J on voldemort )...so have been able to enjoy all the discussions. But re watching as an adult I am sure will be a completely different perspective. Hoping to do better for the next MoM and actually watch ( or rewatch) the movie in time.

Thanks Biraj 🤗for checking it and your earlier post ...did not know that the movie was based on Kali Aandhi.
Take care and safe travels!!
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Posted: 11 years ago
Savs, kya baat hai. i love all this MoM research you're coming up with. We don't get many behind the scenes stories, so nuggets like this are wonderful


Biraj 🤗 Hope AD eases up. Just pick the next MoM and make a promise to Savs that you'll kick off the discussion with the first post. I guarantee you'll watch and comment! 😉


Sanjeev Kumar just does not get the credit he deserves, although his work speaks for itself.

Ladeej, it's been a wonderful discussion, so glad not only to have rewatched Aandhi but more so to have shared in all these perceptive and diverse views. Will try to catch up on more discussion tom.

Have a fabulous festival week all. Until next time 🤗

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