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Posted: 11 years ago
MoM: Aandhi


Ah... sigh! Nostalgia, I felt it in spades, for a time when I wasn't even around much less a movie buff.

- Nostalgia for the 70s middle of the road main stream cinema, when the Gulzaars, the Basu Chatterjis and the Hrishikesh Muhkerjis flourished.

- Nostalgia for a time when the leads of a film looked like real people, not prototypes of a gym program with size zero figures and 6 pack abs. Suchitra Sen in her prim long sleeved blouses and khadi saris had at least the classic Indian features that makes the trappings superfluous. But Sanjeev Kumar is every man - paunchy, has never seen the inside of a gym, khaate peetay khaandaan ka, unremarkable features - yet, even when he barely moves a muscle, his face, his eyes, his body language, his demeanor express a myriad of emotions - pain, anguish, regret, mischief, love, strength, dignity - aur baat seedhay dil pay lagti hai. ❤️

- Nostalgia for those amazing supporting characters that were like starch to a collar, the stiffness that hold up an exquisite cotton sari - AK Hangal in a character he's played a million times, yet seems so real, so true. I miss those supporting characters - AK Hangal, Ashok Kumar, Om Prakash, Dina Pathak, Iftakar as the eternal cop. They had supporting parts sometimes small ones, but they made them count. They lent dignity and realism to the story. I'm hard pressed to name characters like theirs from today's films.

- But more than anything, nostalgia for the soundtrack and score - Gulzaar and RD Burman, Lata Mangeshkar and Kishore Kumar. To me they were the true heroes of the film and they will endure forever. No gimmicks, no commercial trappings, no tamasha - just supremely talented individuals doing what they do best - no fuss, no muss.

I don't think this was Gulzaar's best effort - there was a lot of choppiness and compromise - the nod to Indira Gandhi as idol for example. But that's the result of making a film with a political backdrop with a female lead who whose "look" was so like Indira Gandhi's. But kudos for pushing thru and making the film work. Savs, thanks for the background piece, it was helpful in understanding some of the creative conflict and compromises.

Visi, great comment on this perhaps being more autobiographical than anything else. It never occurred to me that this is more reflective of Gulzaar's life than anyone else's.

Dipsy, fabulous opening post to set up the discussion. Hatke love story indeed - one that doesn't have a clear win or lose, just reflects the mixed bag of outcomes that is life. Thanks for picking this one, I'm enjoying revisiting these old faves.

Visi - I don't see this as sad or a tragedy in any way. If anything I thought it was a triumph - the 9 year long amavaas ended, to return perhaps to its normal cycle. Aarti made peace with her choices, renewed her love for her husband, will reconnect with her daughter. Sure this isn't a normal happily ever after - but there is the phone, letters, maybe the occasional weekend/holiday. If she had given it all up and stayed a wife and mother would she have been happy? As Dipsy suggests - likely not. Would he have been happy? As Savs quotes from his dialog - likely not. They would have been together but unfulfilled and disgruntled if either had taken on the other's life. So they stay true to their calling, their goals, their values and still manage to share a love. Pretty much a happy ending in my book - but then I don't much believe in the fairy tale kind! 😛

Finally Visi: Thanks but idea dena aasaan hai - the execution is what counts. The MoM machinery works thanks to Savs who solicits ideas, assigns picks, figures out schedules, send reminders. Thanks, chica ❤️
Edited by docgirl - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago

Savs, very true, I love the songs even more after watching them along with the movie. Truly beautiful lyrics.

Visi, excellent point about about both JK and Aarti remembering the happy times. They have hold onto those memories to get thru the life without each other. And also interesting point about this being Gulzar's own story. Had not thought about that.

Psy, this wasn't a story about the child and how her life was impacted by the separation. This was JK and Aarti's story. I felt for both of them. They made a tough choice.

What I really like about this was that Gulzar didn't choose sides. It was all about the choices the individuals made in life and how they lived with it for rest of their life. And now that I look back and think about Masoom, I realize he did the same thing. Yes, DK made the mistake. But it was about Indu's choice to look forward and not let that affect her family, which was more important to her. It was about DK's choice to now take responsibility for that mistake and accept Rahul and not hide him from Indu, the way he had hidden his affair.

Doc it took me a while to realize what you were trying to say last month.

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Posted: 11 years ago
@Dipsy, beautiful kick off post. "Neither of them has been completely happy but then they wouldn't have been happier together as well" - what an apt summary!!

@Psy, Aarthi is not in touch with her daughter, she is not aware that Manno is in boarding school. Its in the last scene that JK tells her that he will send Manno to her and she can escort her back to school. Sacrifices were made at both ends, both lost a lot yet gained too - there is no clear cut win or lose in this situation.

@Biraj - Thanks for the info, I read too that the movie was based out of the book.

Interesting fact (again thanks to google maiyya), Aarthi was the only female character in the entire movie. Manno is mentioned but never shown😃

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Posted: 11 years ago
Visi, loved the observations on their flashbacks reflecting most of their happy times and also the parallels with Gulzar's own life. Binder Kaka (A.K Hangal) what a true character artist, he was such an integral part in the past and present. A simple explanation that he offers between "memsaab" and "bitiya" usage was so heartfelt.

Doc, you dont believe in happily ever after😲, I would have not known😛 "
So they stay true to their calling, their goals, their values and still manage to share a love." - fantastic summary of the ending, not one more word to add⭐️

Hum bhi aapse ILU dammit. There is an unique charm in watching movies older and hopefully wiser😉, naivete free and discussing with friends with their own take on the same. MoM filled the gap of a book club which remains my SKD to date, of course the wonderful suggestions that come from the CC make it impossible for us drop the ball😃 So here is is to more wonderful movies and discussions👍🏼

Edited by savvy05 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: savvy05

Visi, loved the observations on their flashbacks reflecting most of their happy times and also the parallels with Gulzar's own life. Binder Kaka (A.K Hangal) what a true character artist, he was such an integral part in the past and present. A simple explanation that he offers between "memsaab" and "bitiya" usage was so heartfelt.

Doc, you dont believe in happily ever after😲, I would have not known😛 "
So they stay true to their calling, their goals, their values and still manage to share a love." - fantastic summary of the ending, not one more word to add⭐️

Hum bhi aapse ILU dammit. There is an unique charm in watching movies older and hopefully wiser😉, naivete free and discussing with friends with their own take on the same. MoM filled the gap of a book club which remains my SKD to date, of course the wonderful suggestions that come from the CC make it impossible for us drop the ball😃 So here is is to more wonderful movies and discussions👍🏼



Visi, docgirl - brilliant takes. I loved both of your takes.

@bold:- The last time around I saw the movie was when I was about 21yrs or so and the one thing I always felt, even the last time around was - Was it worth it. I know it is not a question of win or lose or who did what but when I see Aarthi going away in helicopter leaving her chance of happiness with her daughter and JK, I always wondered, was it worth it? The ending was pretty open ended. Like JK says I will send manno to you but manno never will be fully complete neither would Aarthi and JK ever be.

I didn't know that it was partly Gulzar saab's story but makes sense and somehow I have felt the story more from JK's side and this has been the case always whenever I watched the movie. How strange, in the era of 70s and 80s we did have movies that told the different viewpoints on various subjects like extra-marital affairs/career woman/ but now we hardly have any movies that tackle these subjects in a mature manner.

Book club has always been my SKD Savs, but AD never gives me time to read. Now that I am slowly getting my girls into the world of books, I sure hope I can catch on some of them on/off.
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Posted: 11 years ago
Dipsy, beautifully put. ⭐️ It's all about choices and usually they involve trade-offs, one can rarely have it all. I'm a big fan of films that offer up the process without picking sides. It's too bad Gulzar doesn't write and direct films anymore.

Savs, whattay neat observation - it's all male except for Aarti, yet I never once felt the lopsidedness. The flow of the narrative so smooth, so convincing. 👏


Sarada: But would Aarti, JK and Manu be complete, as in completely happy if Aarti had not got onto the helicopter, if she'd given up politics and been a home maker? As Dipsy said ...unlikely. I think you're reacting in a state of complete empathy - "If i were Arti would I have been happy?" Perhaps to you that answer is crystal clear, but the Aarti we're shown tried that and failed - she was claustrophobic and felt useless. JK rejected any part in her political world. So they tried living separate lives for 9 years while longing for each other. The final choice we see seems like a compromise - separate lives but perhaps they intersect from time to time? It is open ended but with room for some compromise no? 😃
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Posted: 11 years ago
Aandhi... Nostalgia!!! Brings back so many memories!! I must have seen many times prior but my earliest recollection was from when I was may be 15 or 16. I was totally floored by the music, and thought JK was a jerk. I still remember the intense discussion I had with my dad him trying to make me understand the guy's perspective and me going on and on about how Jk is a selfish man who is jealous of his own wife's success and doesnt really love her because if he did he would have been more accomidating and would never ever leave/let her leave him.Ha ha the know it all teenage years!!! I caught the movie again by chance at my parent's place about 8 yrs ago let me tell you it felt like I was watching the movie for the first time. The movie is way ahead of its time. Its a usual tale of love, marriage, separation and reconcillation but what makes it hatke as one of you suggested is Gulzar's exceptional story telling, very realistic and non judgemental potrayal of relationships. The thing that struck me the most was when they meet after years there was no anger, bitterness , blame game. The inconspicuous way Gulzar used the flashbacks to bridge the past and present is phenomenal. The way he ends the movie is what sealed the deal for me had he shown Aarti staying back with JK like scores of others it would have been an anti climax for me. Marriage is a sacred institution and I have utmost respect for it but just love isnt enough for a happy marriage, we all compromise to great extent to make our relationships work but if two individuals are fundamentally different in their outlook towards and expectations out of a marriage its only going to lead to bitterness, hostility and discontent. They are better off apart than together. The way they both reconcile and get closure is refreshing.
And the songs... I dont have adjectives to praise them!! Tere bina zindagi se is gotta be one of the best bollywood songs ever. The back drop of a ruined monument, moon light, melodious voices of Lata and Kishore and flawless portrayal of regret, feelings of missing, longing absolutely marvelous!!
Sorry its a hotch potch of my feelings on the film I watched 8 yrs ago. I wish I had time to sit back relax and watch it all over again and write a more concise opinion but AD is really busy ( festive season usually brings out the IWMG ( immigrant working mom guilt) in me and most of my girl friends so a few years ago we made a pact that we try our best to keep our kids connected to customs and traditions so during navratri every night we meet at someone's house and do what they used to do back home during navratri. That and a mini vacation coming up next weekend I wont be able to make time for the movie)

I'm absolutely delighted to read everyone's perspectives here!! You gals are amazing!!! Will try to drop in tomorrow if AD permits to read more of the amazing reviews. Good night folks!!
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: docgirl

MoM: Aandhi




Visi - I don't see this as sad or a tragedy in any way. If anything I thought it was a triumph - the 9 year long amavaas ended, to return perhaps to its normal cycle. Aarti made peace with her choices, renewed her love for her husband, will reconnect with her daughter. Sure this isn't a normal happily ever after - but there is the phone, letters, maybe the occasional weekend/holiday. If she had given it all up and stayed a wife and mother would she have been happy? As Dipsy suggests - likely not. Would he have been happy? As Savs quotes from his dialog - likely not. They would have been together but unfulfilled and disgruntled if either had taken on the other's life. So they stay true to their calling, their goals, their values and still manage to share a love. Pretty much a happy ending in my book - but then I don't much believe in the fairy tale kind! 😛

Finally Visi: Thanks but idea dena aasaan hai - the execution is what counts. The MoM machinery works thanks to Savs who solicits ideas, assigns picks, figures out schedules, send reminders. Thanks, chica ❤️

I hear you about the nostalgia, Doc. Nostalgia for all the things you mentioned, + maybe simpler times, specially for kids. No 24/7 connectivity, life lived in real world and not on FB, and the mandatory two hours outdoor playtime in the evenings. Kho kho, I spy, and sikdi and the rest. 😊
Totally with you, Savs and Dipsy on the bold. That is exactly what it has to be: both have to stay true to themselves and in order to do that, they cannot stay together. And therein lies the tragedy for me. Not that the story ends with both going in opposite directions, for that is the only thing they can do, but the fact that it has to be that way. Sure, the ending of the story sees a huge improvement in their lives in that, as Dipsy said, both find closure to the demise of their marriage. And as you mention, the connection has been re-established and the channels of communication are open again. And to that extent, it is a happy ending...my reaction is to the reality that it has to be this way. Both are getting on in years...surely, they are going to be missing other more and more when they are apart.
So true about Savs's awesomeness in managing the MoM...how remiss of me to not thank her, 😳 Thanks, Savs, you are the best!!!🤗
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: DrShuenmial

Marriage is a sacred institution and I have utmost respect for it but just love isnt enough for a happy marriage, we all compromise to great extent to make our relationships work but if two individuals are fundamentally different in their outlook towards and expectations out of a marriage its only going to lead to bitterness, hostility and discontent. They are better off apart than together. The way they both reconcile and get closure is refreshing.


Shoomie, welcome to MoM discussions. Loved your Take particularly the way you detailed out your own perception change and of course the lines above⭐️

Happy Navrathri to you and do drop in when you can.
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Posted: 11 years ago
Rabba Ve ladies..late coming in to the MoM discussion and had a sub-par and anxiety filled weekend but Savvy se vaada kiya tha to aana to tha hi🤗
Though after reading those beautiful takes here maybe I should not have bothered as I'm thinking kya boloon ab😊
When I think of Aandhi it's the music that first comes to mind and in a rather rare occurence it's the lyrics that steal the show even if just by a whisker. Visi ji has already shared some of those beautiful lines that are committed to memory. Continuing on the same path down memory lane-
patthar ki haveli ko sheeshe ke gharondon mein tinkon ke nasheman tak...ye sochke baithi hoon ek raah to vo hogi tum tak jo pahunchti hai is mod se jaate hain❤️ Beautiful beautiful words and the Kishore da- Lata Mangeshkar combo..words won't be able to do justice.
As for the movie..amazing performances by everyone. And like Doc said, I loved the side characters who made the roles their own so that they seemed perfectly cast in them. Whether it was Om Prakash surprisingly but so aptly cast as the right hand man, seasoned politician but with a heart? or Om Shiv Puri as the political rival. Rehman as the ambitious dad who felt his daughter was made for better things and wouldn't let the little matter of love come in the way of his ambitions for her.
And then there was Sanjeev Kumar- an absolutely brilliant actor whose understated style makes me a fan. Be it the insanely funny angoor or the husband who knows his wife is having an illicit relationship in Silsila or the thakur in sholay, he made several roles memorable.
Anyway, I digress..back to Aandhi. A movie where it does not end with a Happily Ever After as they go their own separate ways into the sunset and yet shayad this was the best way for them. Not ideal and maybe that yearning would always be there but they both recognized that they had travelled too far along their chosen paths to be able to walk a common one

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