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Karenina

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Posted: 8 years ago

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I think we all knew about Basu's style. He's a spontaneous director, who prefers to improvise. There are plenty of directors who prefer improvisation over concrete planning. I wouldn't blame Basu here. Wong Kar Wai (arguably the best filmmaker in the world today), Derek Cianfrance, Lars von Trier, Mike Leigh, etc. all prefer to improvise than start shooting with concrete setups. It's not bad per se; it's just that Bollywood doesn't understand and appreciate art cinema, or experimental cinema. Even the so called champions of good cinema are more awed by European Cinema than trying to understand cinema as an art in an Indian context.

Originally posted by: TheRager
When Ranbir was shooting for Bombay Velvet, Tamasha, ADHM between shoots of JJ was he being very responsible? Also if he knew during Barfi time how irresponsible Anurag is what made him go for JJ?

You trust a director after he's made an awesome movie like Barfi. It was a beautiful movie - one of the best of this decade, so how would you not want to work with him again after that? If Basu were as talented as Kashyap or SLB, or Dibakar, I don't think Ranbir would have minded the process. For someone, who likes to improvise, you need to have that extra talent to back it up.

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Illyrion

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Posted: 8 years ago

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Originally posted by: FireNIce

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Yes. He should realise that he is also included among the people who did not talk about it at that time. How convenient for him to do so when it comes to his own money. 😆

I may have misheard but I think Ranbir said, because Barfi worked, Basu's process could be "forgiven" not that no one talked about it. Everyone has talked about Basu's excess and disorganization since at least Kites (Rakesh Roshan was and still is very outspoken about the difficulties he had with Basu), so it's not like Ranbir is spilling secrets.

Also as others have said, he isn't blaming the failure on Basu (nothing changed with Basu's process - Barfi worked so his technique alone can't kill a film). He was specifically asked what is Basu's process and he answered. He also said it was a mistake for him to produce and he never would again. It doesn't surprise me that Ranbir's perspective might shift a bit when he became a producer - in fact he'd kind of be an idiot if it didn't wouldn't he?

Actors have different perspectives on directors than producers do. Actors are more free to focus on the creative - which overall is a good thing. Hrithik seemed to love working with Basu, he liked the freedom to ad lib dialog etc. Rakesh - dealing with the money side - had a very different experience 😆. Sorry for the ancient history but still sad about Kites 😭I always felt it could have been a great film if Rakesh and Basu had worked together at what they do best instead of warring.

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2filmy

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Posted: 8 years ago

#13

Main problem was the huge budget and the delays
If they had controlled the budget well
And had shot the film in time
It would definitely have been a success

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kebab_me_haddi

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Posted: 8 years ago

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I remember reading one interview of Ranbir after Barfi.
He said that Basu does not work with script. They had no script for barfi. He used come to the set and tell the actor now do it or do that. And that was all. The actors had no idea what wud be shot that day or next day.

ranbir also said that , Priyanka and he used to think and discuss 'kya movie bana raha hai yeh', They had no faith on Basu.

But after watching the film, once it was finished, they were awestruck.

Did Jagga jasoos had a script? Did they film it Barfi way? can anyone please tell me?

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WinterAesthetics

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Posted: 8 years ago

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Even I remember director's round table in 2012

Basu treats his crew very badly msand said to him

But yeah PC said she just had no clue what was going only rk got it, something like that

Maybe that's how maverick geniuses work

I think the no script part is also there for Kashyap

Sobhita, the heroine of Raman raghav said she got it after the shoot

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Fighting Spirit

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Posted: 8 years ago

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I guess this would prove things

taken from twitter

Lol, why is Ranbir putting all the blame on Basu when Basu had said many times that it was Ranbir's decision to delay JJ?

Edited by LegolasGondolin - 8 years ago

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kebab_me_haddi

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Posted: 8 years ago

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Originally posted by: ilovecrepes
@kebab
Even I remember director's round table in 2012
Basu treats his crew very badly msand said to him
But yeah PC said she just had no clue what was going only rk got it, something like that

Maybe that's how maverick geniuses work
I think the no script part is also there for Kashyap
Sobhita, the heroine of Raman raghav said she got it after the shoot

You know what I felt affter watching JJ that they should have never aimed for BO.

JJ type of films are not for BO. I mean it cud win over BO if it had some new teen age actor and actress.
And you are definitely trying for BO collection when you cast Ranbir Kapoor and Katrina Kaif, 2 mainstream bollywood actors.

Their is no problem in loving art of cinema, being genius and working in that way.
But then you shud not aim for BO.
And personally I felt JJ was messed up.They tried to show so many things.
They shud have make it in parts like Harry Potter.

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Posted: 8 years ago

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Originally posted by: Kareenafanatic
You trust a director after he's made an awesome movie like Barfi. It was a beautiful movie - one of the best of this decade, so how would you not want to work with him again after that? If Basu were as talented as Kashyap or SLB, or Dibakar, I don't think Ranbir would have minded the process. For someone, who likes to improvise, you need to have that extra talent to back it up.

I don't think Basu is less talented than others. But cost of creativity (chaos) gets too much for the producer, be it is Basu or SLB. Just that, an actor is a producer here. So producer's pain gets a platform.

In fact, I wonder about PV too. Of course, it has not delayed much. But In JJ, delay was not the issue, it was the heavy budget without planning. These things bother SLB's movie too. In BM, actresses clearly commented, how upset they were during the shooting of Pinga. (After rigoursly practicing for days, on the day of shoot everything would be cancelled, including the steps). Luckily no actor is shouldering the budget of SLB's movies, they are just taking their salaries. So their worry is less than Ranbir.

It is better for actors, not to get commercially involved with such "creative directors" and leave them for businessmen.

Raju Hirani could be a delight for a producer as he is very calculative himself. Once Boman Irani commented, how Raju does not encourage lengthy facial expression change on actors. He found it difficult as an actor to have time limits (2, 3 seconds) for emoting. But according to Raju, better to cut the expression while shooting. Or else, it is a pain during editing. Pakka business sense 😆.

May be Raju Irani's style is too extreme. But one needs to have some control over their free flowing ideas.

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Fighting Spirit

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Posted: 8 years ago

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Originally posted by: flipfl0p

I don't think Basu is less talented than others. But cost of creativity (chaos) gets too much for the producer, be it is Basu or SLB. Just that, an actor is a producer here. So producer's pain gets a platform.

In fact, I wonder about PV too. Of course, it has not delayed much. But In JJ, delay was not the issue, it was the heavy budget without planning. These things bother SLB's movie too. In BM, actresses clearly commented, how upset they were during the shooting of Pinga. (After rigoursly practicing for days, on the day of shoot everything would be cancelled, including the steps). Luckily no actor is shouldering the budget of SLB's movies, they are just taking their salaries. So their worry is less than Ranbir.
It is better for actors, not to get commercially involved with such "creative directors" and leave them for businessmen.

Raju Hirani could be a delight for a producer as he is very calculative himself. Once Boman Irani commented, how Raju does not encourage lengthy facial expression change on actors. He found it difficult as an actor to have time limits (2, 3 seconds) for emoting. But according to Raju, better to cut the expression while shooting. Or else, it is a pain during editing. Pakka business sense 😆.

May be Raju Irani's style is too extreme. But one needs to have some control over their free flowing ideas.

@BOLD

SLB is a great director and he works with a bound script be it BM or PV he had given the actors the bound script and they made the decisions based on that yes he does make last minute changes regarding the execution but the thread remains the same . Also PV is releasing in the fixed date itself despite the attacks on set which is a great thing.

Also SLB finished BM in 1 year its a film which wouldve taken 2 years but he did well, PC was sick and Ranveer also got injured in between but SLB and team planned well and worked their way around it and released the film on the said date. SLB is a task master and a perfectionist ,he is instinctive but that is not about the story line its only about the execution of the stuff and the tonality and the setting.He does put his actors on the spot, but Ranveer and DP have also said that he gives the actors their space and will do that he can to make them comfortable. also with Pinga DP and PC had a tight schedule and they had to shoot it within 2 days but the girls did a kickass job

Edited by LegolasGondolin - 8 years ago

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Posted: 8 years ago

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Ranbir did mention in AIB Podcast that How disorganised things were in JJ ,also pointed out how tedious Basu's work process is ...but he did mention that He would stull like to work with Basu because of the space that he gives to his actors ...

Ranbir conplaining about Basu is very similar to how he was conplaining abt Rishi ...

I guess even Basu wont mind this Muffatness from Ranbir ...